(02-09-2014 11:22 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

depends on the city. IMO, he should kept his mouth shut until after getting drafted

I could see the Steelers drafting him with how involved the Rooneys are on the Diversity Committee.

(02-09-2014 11:31 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  This wouldn't be a big deal if we didn't have to hear the media refer to the player as a gay football player on every play. Every time this guy tackles the tight end its going to be a five minute debate on NBC about gay marriage and how teams from south play in states that haven't legalized it with the commentary from the broadcast booth. This will turn off a lot of fans not because of the player but the media shoving this down our throats during a game we are watching with the family.

imagine what happens when bob costas gets ahold of this.

(02-09-2014 10:06 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 09:55 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  He's going to be fine. There are a lot of people supporting him. Not to mention he's one hell of an athlete.

I say the potential naysayers let his playing ability speak for itself.

Lets ask the guy who's locker is next to his.

Yea because all gay people want to jump the bones of every person they see. I hear they are like rabbits and if not controlled they would mate with everyone.

(02-09-2014 11:31 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  This wouldn't be a big deal if we didn't have to hear the media refer to the player as a gay football player on every play.

But without him coming out, this would always be a big deal. Because of his actions, one day players won't have to hide who they are and it won't matter whose straight or not.

(02-09-2014 11:35 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:06 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 09:55 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  He's going to be fine. There are a lot of people supporting him. Not to mention he's one hell of an athlete.

I say the potential naysayers let his playing ability speak for itself.

Lets ask the guy who's locker is next to his.

Yea because all gay people want to jump the bones of every person they see. I hear they are like rabbits and if not controlled they would mate with everyone.

you should spend more time reading and understanding the thread, and less time googling gifs.

(02-09-2014 10:34 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:22 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:17 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:08 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:06 PM)EagleX Wrote:  Lets ask the guy who's locker is next to his.

Wouldn't bother me. I'd let him know up front that I'm straight so don't even bother. I don't think it's contagious.

Yeah because he'd automatically be attracted to you, right? Lol.

No. I doubt it. But EagleX apparently would feel a little intimidated. LOL

What EagleX may not realize is there are quite a few players who have lockers next to gays. They just don't know it.

Nothing of the sort. But it's easy to say this is "no big deal" from a great distance when there is no way this will involve you personally. Some people whom this will effect directly may think it's a huge deal, and people like you are effectively outlawing their discomfort.

It's just not your decision to make. everyone will pat themselves on the back for being enlightened, but it just isn't up to them

I used to work with gay dude. He was always cornering other men in their office and trying to rape them. We had to keep pepper spray in our desk drawers. I used to beat him off with a stick... That didn't quite sound right....

(02-09-2014 11:22 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:52 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:22 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  there are quite a few players who have lockers next to gays. They just don't know it.

"players" = people who are currently on NFL rosters?

Yes.

The turnover on NFL roster is such that I think you've probably got a lot of teammates now who, quite frankly, hardly know each other. So if that's what you had in mind, there may be some truth in what you say.

But in the ordinary course of events, going through an entire season (6 months, give or take) together is going to bring things like this (sexuality) up to the surface.

(02-09-2014 11:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  If you've ever played on a football team, you've shared a locker room with a gay man.

Okay.

(02-09-2014 11:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  If you've ever played on a football team, you've shared a locker room with a gay man.

Okay.

The whole point being, it wasn't a big deal when you didn't know. Why would it matter when you did?

(02-09-2014 11:31 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  This wouldn't be a big deal if we didn't have to hear the media refer to the player as a gay football player on every play. Every time this guy tackles the tight end its going to be a five minute debate on NBC about gay marriage and how teams from south play in states that haven't legalized it with the commentary from the broadcast booth. This will turn off a lot of fans not because of the player but the media shoving this down our throats during a game we are watching with the family.

That's exactly right.

(02-09-2014 11:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  At some point down the road if this becomes more common I bet there will be a lot of players asking to have private showers.

That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed as well.

Then don't join the NFL...as I said, plenty of gay folks in the military...they all shower together on a daily basis.

If it's good enough for the military...it's good enough for the NFL

Hear ye, hear ye..

If you've ever played on a football team, you've shared a locker room with a gay man. The only difference is now some will know it.

Oh yeah? How do you know that every football team in America (college or pro) has had somebody gay on the team? That is pure assumption. No fact.

(02-09-2014 10:17 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:08 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:06 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 09:55 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  He's going to be fine. There are a lot of people supporting him. Not to mention he's one hell of an athlete.

I say the potential naysayers let his playing ability speak for itself.

Lets ask the guy who's locker is next to his.

Wouldn't bother me. I'd let him know up front that I'm straight so don't even bother. I don't think it's contagious.

Yeah because he'd automatically be attracted to you, right? Lol.

got that attack...nice

Riddle me this.....

Why does the gay man HAVE to come out and tell the world that he's gay? What does that possibly have to do with football?

Would it be right for me to just go to work or class one day and scream out "Hey look at me! I'm straight and proud! I like ******!" Makes no sense, doesn't it?

Or should a black person just yell out at the office "Hey I'm Black!" Or and Asian person, "Hey I'm Asian and proud!, Look at me!!!!".

I just wonder why this whole sexual orientation crap is seeming to be getting shoved down the throats of this country whether we agree with it or not. I say for gay people, LIVE YOUR FREAKING SEX LIVES and LEAVE US OUT OF IT. We don't care!!!

(02-09-2014 11:53 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed as well.

Then don't join the NFL...as I said, plenty of gay folks in the military...they all shower together on a daily basis.

If it's good enough for the military...it's good enough for the NFL

Hear ye, hear ye..

If you've ever played on a football team, you've shared a locker room with a gay man. The only difference is now some will know it.

Oh yeah? How do you know that every football team in America (college or pro) has had somebody gay on the team? That is pure assumption. No fact.

It might not be a fact but it's likely. It's been estimated that 3.8% of Americans identify as gay and the real number is probably higher since a lot of the lgbt community don't identify themselves. It's a long been accepted that the number is closer to 10%. So if you use the 10% figure, on a team of 50+ men, the probability of at least one being gay is fairly high.

(02-10-2014 12:07 AM)Texas2Step Wrote:  Riddle me this.....

Why does the gay man HAVE to come out and tell the world that he's gay? What does that possibly have to do with football?

Would it be right for me to just go to work or class one day and scream out "Hey look at me! I'm straight and proud! I like ******!" Makes no sense, doesn't it?

Or should a black person just yell out at the office "Hey I'm Black!" Or and Asian person, "Hey I'm Asian and proud!, Look at me!!!!".

I just wonder why this whole sexual orientation crap is seeming to be getting shoved down the throats of this country whether we agree with it or not. I say for gay people, LIVE YOUR FREAKING SEX LIVES and LEAVE US OUT OF IT. We don't care!!!

answer: media coupled with shallow minds.....

(02-10-2014 12:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:53 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed as well.

Then don't join the NFL...as I said, plenty of gay folks in the military...they all shower together on a daily basis.

If it's good enough for the military...it's good enough for the NFL

Hear ye, hear ye..

If you've ever played on a football team, you've shared a locker room with a gay man. The only difference is now some will know it.

Oh yeah? How do you know that every football team in America (college or pro) has had somebody gay on the team? That is pure assumption. No fact.

It might not be a fact but it's likely. It's been estimated that 3.8% of Americans identify as gay and the real number is probably higher since a lot of the lgbt community don't identify themselves. It's a long held belief that the number is closer to 10%. So if you use the 10% figure, on a team of 50+ men, the probability of at least one being gay is fairly high.

3.8% is way high. The CDC put it at 2.8 a few years ago, and that seemed high. The 10% number is just pure crap, and has been known to be crap for decades.

Ultimately, I don't think it matters, but it blows a big hole in your probability based "a gay guy has seen you naked!" argument, which I think is pretty pointless to begin with.

(02-10-2014 12:27 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

That was fast.

(02-09-2014 11:28 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  At some point down the road if this becomes more common I bet there will be a lot of players asking to have private showers.

That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed as well.

Then don't join the NFL...as I said, plenty of gay folks in the military...they all shower together on a daily basis.

If it's good enough for the military...it's good enough for the NFL

you've used the military as an example twice now. the military "accepts" it because they were ordered to accept it by the commander in chief. there wasnt a lot of choice in the matter. thats where a lot of people's argument starts. just because the armed forces haven't fallen apart in the last couple of years isnt dispositive.

whether it will ultimately effect readiness, recruiting, or retention is not known.

And NFL players are employees of their franchise...they have been ordered by the nfl to be inclusive so they don't have a choice in the matter...they can always quit if they prefer.

(02-10-2014 12:07 AM)Texas2Step Wrote:  Riddle me this.....

Why does the gay man HAVE to come out and tell the world that he's gay? What does that possibly have to do with football?

Would it be right for me to just go to work or class one day and scream out "Hey look at me! I'm straight and proud! I like ******!" Makes no sense, doesn't it?

Or should a black person just yell out at the office "Hey I'm Black!" Or and Asian person, "Hey I'm Asian and proud!, Look at me!!!!".

I just wonder why this whole sexual orientation crap is seeming to be getting shoved down the throats of this country whether we agree with it or not. I say for gay people, LIVE YOUR FREAKING SEX LIVES and LEAVE US OUT OF IT. We don't care!!!

Why do teams ask players if they have girlfriends at the combine? What does that have to do with sports?

But yet they do.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/26...0102.html?