(02-09-2014 11:06 PM)Alumniner2012 Wrote:  Good for him. I just hope Mizzou didn't pressure him into coming out for some positive PR after that rape case coverup.

doubtful that a college would pressure someone into coming out and from the articles I've read it sounds like it was obvious to everyone on the football team when he finally did come out

(02-09-2014 11:06 PM)Alumniner2012 Wrote:  Good for him. I just hope Mizzou didn't pressure him into coming out for some positive PR after that rape case coverup.

Honest question: why is having a gay football alumnus "positive PR"? the goal is to not discriminate against the young man, not to celebrate an interview.

It's creepy.

(02-09-2014 11:10 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:06 PM)Alumniner2012 Wrote:  Good for him. I just hope Mizzou didn't pressure him into coming out for some positive PR after that rape case coverup.

Honest question: why is having a gay football alumnus "positive PR"? the goal is to not discriminate against the young man, not to celebrate an interview.

It's creepy.

I think the college kids are becoming more accepting of the gays in general

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  At some point down the road if this becomes more common I bet there will be a lot of players asking to have private showers.

That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed in the near future as well.

BTW...never heard of Jason Collins. I have no idea who that even is and I really don't care to even look.

(02-09-2014 11:14 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:10 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:06 PM)Alumniner2012 Wrote:  Good for him. I just hope Mizzou didn't pressure him into coming out for some positive PR after that rape case coverup.

Honest question: why is having a gay football alumnus "positive PR"? the goal is to not discriminate against the young man, not to celebrate an interview.

It's creepy.

I think the college kids are becoming more accepting of the gays in general

that doesn't explain "positive PR". how would the script go? "Hi. I'm mike sam, and I'm gay and brave! I did an interview on TV! go tigers!"

Wtff?!?

Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  At some point down the road if this becomes more common I bet there will be a lot of players asking to have private showers.

That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed as well.

Then don't join the NFL...as I said, plenty of gay folks in the military...they all shower together on a daily basis.

If it's good enough for the military...it's good enough for the NFL

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

depends on the city. IMO, he should kept his mouth shut until after getting drafted

(02-09-2014 10:52 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:22 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  there are quite a few players who have lockers next to gays. They just don't know it.

"players" = people who are currently on NFL rosters?

Yes.

(02-09-2014 11:22 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

depends on the city. IMO, he should kept his mouth shut until after getting drafted

I completely agree. It could've made him a LOT more money. He still could've stood up for himself and came out....but he should've done it AFTER the draft.

(02-09-2014 11:23 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:22 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

depends on the city. IMO, he should kept his mouth shut until after getting drafted

I completely agree. It could've made him a LOT more money. He still could've stood up for himself and came out....but he should've done it AFTER the draft.

or he could get more endorsements from gay friendly companies?

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  At some point down the road if this becomes more common I bet there will be a lot of players asking to have private showers.

That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed in the near future as well.

BTW...never heard of Jason Collins. I have no idea who that even is and I really don't care to even look.

What good reason?

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  At some point down the road if this becomes more common I bet there will be a lot of players asking to have private showers.

That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed as well.

Then don't join the NFL...as I said, plenty of gay folks in the military...they all shower together on a daily basis.

If it's good enough for the military...it's good enough for the NFL

you've used the military as an example twice now. the military "accepts" it because they were ordered to accept it by the commander in chief. there wasnt a lot of choice in the matter. thats where a lot of people's argument starts. just because the armed forces haven't fallen apart in the last couple of years isnt dispositive.

whether it will ultimately effect readiness, recruiting, or retention is not known.

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

I don't. The NFL is a business. They are concerned about dollars. Unless enough people avoid games that he is participating in, it won't make a difference. I don't think most fans will care enough to avoid attending.

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  At some point down the road if this becomes more common I bet there will be a lot of players asking to have private showers.

That's silly...the military still runs just fine...I loved Jason Collins comment "I don't understand why everyone seems to worry about 'meat gazing' in the shower"

That might seem silly to you. Maybe not so much for others though.

Just like they separate men/women showers for good reasons....I can see this being an issue that will need to be addressed as well.

Then don't join the NFL...as I said, plenty of gay folks in the military...they all shower together on a daily basis.

If it's good enough for the military...it's good enough for the NFL

Hear ye, hear ye..

If you've ever played on a football team, you've shared a locker room with a gay man. The only difference is now some will know it.

(02-09-2014 11:23 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:22 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

depends on the city. IMO, he should kept his mouth shut until after getting drafted

I completely agree. It could've made him a LOT more money. He still could've stood up for himself and came out....but he should've done it AFTER the draft.

Because now he can call his lawyer if he thinks he has been discriminated against. upon further review, as they say, this may actually turn out to be pretty smart, money wise

(02-09-2014 11:22 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

depends on the city. IMO, he should kept his mouth shut until after getting drafted

IMO, people should get over getting upset because his genes make him attracted to the same sex.

This wouldn't be a big deal if we didn't have to hear the media refer to the player as a gay football player on every play. Every time this guy tackles the tight end its going to be a five minute debate on NBC about gay marriage and how teams from south play in states that haven't legalized it with the commentary from the broadcast booth. This will turn off a lot of fans not because of the player but the media shoving this down our throats during a game we are watching with the family.

(02-09-2014 11:30 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:23 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:22 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:20 PM)TTT Wrote:  Do you think he'll fall in the draft as a result and lose money. I do, and I think that's sad.

depends on the city. IMO, he should kept his mouth shut until after getting drafted

I completely agree. It could've made him a LOT more money. He still could've stood up for himself and came out....but he should've done it AFTER the draft.

Because now he can call his lawyer if he thinks he has been discriminated against. upon further review, as they say, this may actually turn out to be pretty smart, money wise

don't worry, Chris Kluwe will be on a crusade against the NFL if Sam isn't pick in the first round

(02-09-2014 11:31 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  This wouldn't be a big deal if we didn't have to hear the media refer to the player as a gay football player on every play. Every time this guy tackles the tight end its going to be a five minute debate on NBC about gay marriage and how teams from south play in states that haven't legalized it with the commentary from the broadcast booth. This will turn off a lot of fans not because of the player but the media shoving this down our throats during a game we are watching with the family.

If this happens, I would be very disappointed. Hopefully, it won't last long if it does happen.