(02-08-2014 10:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 06:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

that's not my job nor my area of expertise.....

you whiffed the point where I stated "don't understand it yet"

so rock on with rhetoric....I'll put my judgmental value in the people that have been trained to figure out what the hell is going in an attempt to provide a solution if that is even possible.

You do realize we have ice core data over many a millennia that has helped us get to this point, don't ya? You do realize that science has got us to a very limited point of understanding and with the aid of computers, we can predict the weather better today than using the farmer's almanac, praying to some god/moon/sun, or resort to dancing FOR rain?

this is just common sense unless ignoring things are the preference...

who the fk knows if this is fixable or caused by man.....that's not the issue....to derive a solution requires evaluation, trial and error, and then maybe a solution can be developed.....

if solving the issue of global warming was mechanical, we would have figured it out decades ago.....

most of what I read about this bs is back pocket related in today's world.....we developed a system that is totally dependent on fossil fuel usage w/o having a fkn clue how that would impact the world we live in....so it's either looking for alternatives that don't cause a total economic collapse with the hope that it would benefit the planet more than what we have today, or just throw our arms up in the air and state that the data that has been evaluated to this point is bs....

take your pick....I really don't care....I prefer trying to look for a solution by people that have spent their lives trying to figure it out....not some putz on a bbs.

I agree with most everything you have stated. Unlike the "Global Warmists" - I don't think we have the answers yet and am not willing to collapse the economy trying one thing, then the next.

Oh and UMGrad - you're a douche of the first order.

Life giving warmth is not a problem that needs solving.

What would it take for a denier to switch sides? What evidence would you need?

(02-08-2014 11:01 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 10:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 06:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

that's not my job nor my area of expertise.....

you whiffed the point where I stated "don't understand it yet"

so rock on with rhetoric....I'll put my judgmental value in the people that have been trained to figure out what the hell is going in an attempt to provide a solution if that is even possible.

You do realize we have ice core data over many a millennia that has helped us get to this point, don't ya? You do realize that science has got us to a very limited point of understanding and with the aid of computers, we can predict the weather better today than using the farmer's almanac, praying to some god/moon/sun, or resort to dancing FOR rain?

this is just common sense unless ignoring things are the preference...

who the fk knows if this is fixable or caused by man.....that's not the issue....to derive a solution requires evaluation, trial and error, and then maybe a solution can be developed.....

if solving the issue of global warming was mechanical, we would have figured it out decades ago.....

most of what I read about this bs is back pocket related in today's world.....we developed a system that is totally dependent on fossil fuel usage w/o having a fkn clue how that would impact the world we live in....so it's either looking for alternatives that don't cause a total economic collapse with the hope that it would benefit the planet more than what we have today, or just throw our arms up in the air and state that the data that has been evaluated to this point is bs....

take your pick....I really don't care....I prefer trying to look for a solution by people that have spent their lives trying to figure it out....not some putz on a bbs.

I agree with most everything you have stated. Unlike the "Global Warmists" - I don't think we have the answers yet and am not willing to collapse the economy trying one thing, then the next.

Oh and UMGrad - you're a douche of the first order.

Collapse the economy? That's what right-wing economic policies are for.

(02-08-2014 11:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What would it take for a denier to switch sides? What evidence would you need?

It would take their political pundits telling them to believe it. Evidence never enters into their thought process.

(02-08-2014 11:02 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Life giving warmth is not a problem that needs solving.

So in your mind, the only result of a warmer planet is just a little warmth? Nothing else? Really?

(02-08-2014 11:01 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 10:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 06:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

that's not my job nor my area of expertise.....

you whiffed the point where I stated "don't understand it yet"

so rock on with rhetoric....I'll put my judgmental value in the people that have been trained to figure out what the hell is going in an attempt to provide a solution if that is even possible.

You do realize we have ice core data over many a millennia that has helped us get to this point, don't ya? You do realize that science has got us to a very limited point of understanding and with the aid of computers, we can predict the weather better today than using the farmer's almanac, praying to some god/moon/sun, or resort to dancing FOR rain?

this is just common sense unless ignoring things are the preference...

who the fk knows if this is fixable or caused by man.....that's not the issue....to derive a solution requires evaluation, trial and error, and then maybe a solution can be developed.....

if solving the issue of global warming was mechanical, we would have figured it out decades ago.....

most of what I read about this bs is back pocket related in today's world.....we developed a system that is totally dependent on fossil fuel usage w/o having a fkn clue how that would impact the world we live in....so it's either looking for alternatives that don't cause a total economic collapse with the hope that it would benefit the planet more than what we have today, or just throw our arms up in the air and state that the data that has been evaluated to this point is bs....

take your pick....I really don't care....I prefer trying to look for a solution by people that have spent their lives trying to figure it out....not some putz on a bbs.

I agree with most everything you have stated. Unlike the "Global Warmists" - I don't think we have the answers yet and am not willing to collapse the economy trying one thing, then the next.

Oh and UMGrad - you're a douche of the first order.

Sorry I won't let you be a dumb*** without telling you that you're a dumb***. Clearly the fault is mine.

(02-08-2014 11:01 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 10:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 06:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

that's not my job nor my area of expertise.....

you whiffed the point where I stated "don't understand it yet"

so rock on with rhetoric....I'll put my judgmental value in the people that have been trained to figure out what the hell is going in an attempt to provide a solution if that is even possible.

You do realize we have ice core data over many a millennia that has helped us get to this point, don't ya? You do realize that science has got us to a very limited point of understanding and with the aid of computers, we can predict the weather better today than using the farmer's almanac, praying to some god/moon/sun, or resort to dancing FOR rain?

this is just common sense unless ignoring things are the preference...

who the fk knows if this is fixable or caused by man.....that's not the issue....to derive a solution requires evaluation, trial and error, and then maybe a solution can be developed.....

if solving the issue of global warming was mechanical, we would have figured it out decades ago.....

most of what I read about this bs is back pocket related in today's world.....we developed a system that is totally dependent on fossil fuel usage w/o having a fkn clue how that would impact the world we live in....so it's either looking for alternatives that don't cause a total economic collapse with the hope that it would benefit the planet more than what we have today, or just throw our arms up in the air and state that the data that has been evaluated to this point is bs....

take your pick....I really don't care....I prefer trying to look for a solution by people that have spent their lives trying to figure it out....not some putz on a bbs.

I agree with most everything you have stated. Unlike the "Global Warmists" - I don't think we have the answers yet and am not willing to collapse the economy trying one thing, then the next.

Oh and UMGrad - you're a douche of the first order.

thx......nice to see another pragmatic person....this board reminds me of those that really get into the "View" after jacking off to "Days of our Lives"....and I live in missippy

I only see this as a position of recovery and even anything man can come up with may not be enough

(02-07-2014 10:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:12 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Come on, for a left winger, you are not towing the company line with that response.

Is this a good time to explain to you that weather isn't the same as climate?

That's not the argument libs use when it's abnormally hot out, or when we have tornados, hurricanes, or droughts.

So let me ask you, what is the temperature of the Earth supposed to be?

What ever temperature is allowable to sustaing life and let me enjoy my pool in the summer is fine with me.

(02-08-2014 10:51 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  As I said,

and as I said, you are a hypocrite.

Until your lifestyle choices show the same urgency and commitment that you and your ilk demand of everyone else on earth except yourself, you are nothing but a risible little man of no conviction.

A good first step would be disable your account, and stop posting. Forever. Won't you think of the children?

Man up, or be forever be known as a Just Another Climate Hypocrite.

(02-08-2014 11:44 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 10:51 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  As I said,

and as I said, you are a hypocrite.

Until your lifestyle choices show the same urgency and commitment that you and your ilk demand of everyone else on earth except yourself, you are nothing but a risible little man of no conviction.

A good first step would be disable your account, and stop posting. Forever. Won't you think of the children?

Man up, or be forever be known as a Just Another Climate Hypocrite.

So you're giving up on your "climate scientists are all in a grand conspiracy" argument? We can move on to decimating the rest of your argument after that.

(02-08-2014 11:12 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:02 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Life giving warmth is not a problem that needs solving.

So in your mind, the only result of a warmer planet is just a little warmth? Nothing else? Really?

The positives are numerous. Cold is the enemy of man, not warmth.

(02-08-2014 11:55 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:12 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:02 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Life giving warmth is not a problem that needs solving.

So in your mind, the only result of a warmer planet is just a little warmth? Nothing else? Really?

The positives are numerous. Cold is the enemy of man, not warmth.

Then perhaps we should all move to Venus.

Venus is not warm.

(02-08-2014 11:49 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:44 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Man up, or be forever be known as a Just Another Climate Hypocrite.

So you're giving up on your "climate scientists are all in a grand conspiracy" argument? We can move on to decimating the rest of your argument after that.

Again, every time you post you show yourself to be Just Another Climate Hypocrite who is not serious about the self-prescribed sacrifices deemed so necessary to combating Global Warming climate change climate hypothesis. You can talk the walk, but you can't walk the walk. You are not being the change you want people to be. You are a typical Climate Hypocrite.

I'm out for now. I'm going to go make a fire in the fireplace.

(02-08-2014 12:10 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:49 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:44 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Man up, or be forever be known as a Just Another Climate Hypocrite.

So you're giving up on your "climate scientists are all in a grand conspiracy" argument? We can move on to decimating the rest of your argument after that.

Again, every time you post you show yourself to be Just Another Climate Hypocrite who is not serious about the self-prescribed sacrifices deemed so necessary to combating Global Warming climate change climate hypothesis. You can talk the walk, but you can't walk the walk. You are not being the change you want people to be. You are a typical Climate Hypocrite.

I'm out for now. I'm going to go make a fire in the fireplace.

No, No, No. You can't do that - that just spews CO2 into the atmosphere. Solar power or be happy sitting in a cold cave for you.

(02-08-2014 11:13 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:01 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 10:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 06:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

that's not my job nor my area of expertise.....

you whiffed the point where I stated "don't understand it yet"

so rock on with rhetoric....I'll put my judgmental value in the people that have been trained to figure out what the hell is going in an attempt to provide a solution if that is even possible.

You do realize we have ice core data over many a millennia that has helped us get to this point, don't ya? You do realize that science has got us to a very limited point of understanding and with the aid of computers, we can predict the weather better today than using the farmer's almanac, praying to some god/moon/sun, or resort to dancing FOR rain?

this is just common sense unless ignoring things are the preference...

who the fk knows if this is fixable or caused by man.....that's not the issue....to derive a solution requires evaluation, trial and error, and then maybe a solution can be developed.....

if solving the issue of global warming was mechanical, we would have figured it out decades ago.....

most of what I read about this bs is back pocket related in today's world.....we developed a system that is totally dependent on fossil fuel usage w/o having a fkn clue how that would impact the world we live in....so it's either looking for alternatives that don't cause a total economic collapse with the hope that it would benefit the planet more than what we have today, or just throw our arms up in the air and state that the data that has been evaluated to this point is bs....

take your pick....I really don't care....I prefer trying to look for a solution by people that have spent their lives trying to figure it out....not some putz on a bbs.

I agree with most everything you have stated. Unlike the "Global Warmists" - I don't think we have the answers yet and am not willing to collapse the economy trying one thing, then the next.

Oh and UMGrad - you're a douche of the first order.

Sorry I won't let you be a dumb*** without telling you that you're a dumb***. Clearly the fault is mine.

Typical academic a'hole that has a way outsized opinion of himself. You may be able to buffalo those students that have to sit by quietly while you pontificate - but those on here don't have to. That's why you're such a crybaby every time you're here.

BTW, I have no doubt that the climate is, in fact, changing, but if you think anyone really knows man's effect or how to change the climate - you're just a liberal mouthpiece. D'Bag.

(02-08-2014 12:31 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:13 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 11:01 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 10:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 06:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

that's not my job nor my area of expertise.....

you whiffed the point where I stated "don't understand it yet"

so rock on with rhetoric....I'll put my judgmental value in the people that have been trained to figure out what the hell is going in an attempt to provide a solution if that is even possible.

You do realize we have ice core data over many a millennia that has helped us get to this point, don't ya? You do realize that science has got us to a very limited point of understanding and with the aid of computers, we can predict the weather better today than using the farmer's almanac, praying to some god/moon/sun, or resort to dancing FOR rain?

this is just common sense unless ignoring things are the preference...

who the fk knows if this is fixable or caused by man.....that's not the issue....to derive a solution requires evaluation, trial and error, and then maybe a solution can be developed.....

if solving the issue of global warming was mechanical, we would have figured it out decades ago.....

most of what I read about this bs is back pocket related in today's world.....we developed a system that is totally dependent on fossil fuel usage w/o having a fkn clue how that would impact the world we live in....so it's either looking for alternatives that don't cause a total economic collapse with the hope that it would benefit the planet more than what we have today, or just throw our arms up in the air and state that the data that has been evaluated to this point is bs....

take your pick....I really don't care....I prefer trying to look for a solution by people that have spent their lives trying to figure it out....not some putz on a bbs.

I agree with most everything you have stated. Unlike the "Global Warmists" - I don't think we have the answers yet and am not willing to collapse the economy trying one thing, then the next.

Oh and UMGrad - you're a douche of the first order.

Sorry I won't let you be a dumb*** without telling you that you're a dumb***. Clearly the fault is mine.

Typical academic a'hole that has a way outsized opinion of himself. You may be able to buffalo those students that have to sit by quietly while you pontificate - but those on here don't have to. That's why you're such a crybaby every time you're here.

BTW, I have no doubt that the climate is, in fact, changing, but if you think anyone really knows man's effect or how to change the climate - you're just a liberal mouthpiece. D'Bag.

you boys make me laugh....this done got good

Let's cut to the bone on the global warming (or climate change) issue.

The truth is that the climate change extremists are not the least bit worried about what the temperature will be in 2090. They could care less because they won't be around. Now they'll suggest they are worried about the planet or their grandchildren. The concern for the planet sounds good, but how can one really measure their impact. The latter is unlikely since, for a number of reasons, they are not likely to reproduce.

What climate change is about is a deep seated hatred of anything that produces profit and a desire to appropriate those profits for redistribution.

In the short run, the liberals desire to impose some sort of carbon tax, not to decrease carbon usage, which even Congress' failed Cap & Trade legislation never would have accomplished, but increase the flow of taxes and revenues in order to fund their goals of income redistribution. In a secondary, yet possibly more important effect, they seek to move the energy industry and all energy users, further under the control of the government.

Climate change is nothing but a veiled attempt to further the goals of socialism.

(02-08-2014 01:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let's cut to the bone on the global warming (or climate change) issue.

The truth is that the climate change extremists are not the least bit worried about what the temperature will be in 2090. They could care less because they won't be around. Now they'll suggest they are worried about the planet or their grandchildren. The concern for the planet sounds good, but how can one really measure their impact. The latter is unlikely since, for a number of reasons, they are not likely to reproduce.

What climate change is about is a deep seated hatred of anything that produces profit and a desire to appropriate those profits for redistribution.

In the short run, the liberals desire to impose some sort of carbon tax, not to decrease carbon usage, which even Congress' failed Cap & Trade legislation never would have accomplished, but increase the flow of taxes and revenues in order to fund their goals of income redistribution. In a secondary, yet possibly more important effect, they seek to move the energy industry and all energy users, further under the control of the government.

Climate change is nothing but a veiled attempt to further the goals of socialism.

can't say I disagree with any of this except the last statement.....you chose the political path.....makes sense....it's a spin board