(02-06-2014 12:39 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Despite being in a crappy conference (which is something I've forgotten about, considering how nobody around here ever brings it up...... ever.) I think UC sports are in a position to win a lot of games across multiple sports. And basking in victories is far more fun and far less stressful than complaining about what we don't have or where we aren't at. Yet.

IMHO, we are not just in a crappy conference. We were - the old Big East was pretty crappy. Poor leadership; and for football, the laughing stock of the BCS haves.

But we were a have. And that brought most of you to this board. Prior to that there would be nothing but crickets when it came to UC football. Empty stadiums - zero (really zero) tailgating - little local media coverage - zero national coverage. We were insignificant. So if you think that the AAC is a mere inconvenience, then again IMHO you are wrong.

And so me, and a few others, really struggle with the concept of "keeping quiet" with our concerns when you already see signs of a decline. And at least right now when people are still listening, including UC employees, I would encourage people to speak their minds about future scheduling, bowl availability, coaching salary budgets, and things revenue based. Lack of revenues will kill football. Eventually, most of the bandwagon fans will grow quiet, lose interest, and we can discuss how neat it is that Skyline will give you a free UC football ticket if you buy 3 cheese coneys.......wasn't that long ago.

(02-06-2014 12:45 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Copied this [url=http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_23370300/mike-

Lappe, who was hired by Bohn away from Division II Metro State in Denver in the spring of 2010, enjoyed how Bohn took a genuine interest in the details of her program.

Metro State is my alma mater....

Just nice to see them mentioned.

I don't get the "left CU athletics in a financial hole" stuff. I listened to some comments yesterday at the press conference to the effect that under Bohn's stewardship Colorado's athletic department in 2013 was the most financially efficient D1 program IN THE COUNTRY.

So, does that mean the "financial hole" stems from something other than spending one's money well? Does it mean that they took on some debt that was being serviced correctly but hemmed in other debt opportunities?

I can't figure out upon what the "financial hole" comments were based.

(02-07-2014 07:54 AM)UCEE73 Wrote:  I don't get the "left CU athletics in a financial hole" stuff. I listened to some comments yesterday at the press conference to the effect that under Bohn's stewardship Colorado's athletic department in 2013 was the most financially efficient D1 program IN THE COUNTRY.

So, does that mean the "financial hole" stems from something other than spending one's money well? Does it mean that they took on some debt that was being serviced correctly but hemmed in other debt opportunities?

I can't figure out upon what the "financial hole" comments were based.

The guy that Mo had on yesterday said it was more to do with CU having to pay exit feesw and getting no revenue for a couple years because of the switch, something to that effect.

fwiw the search firm that hired him everyone had him rated as their number 1 choice...some by a little some by a lot but he was number 1. nice to see him in the second row of the student section with his son the last 5 or so minutes of the game.

I think Ono and him are a lot alike in how they handle people which i dont know if that is a good thing. the guy does have 10 more years of experience then whit as an ad.

(02-06-2014 03:44 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:39 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Despite being in a crappy conference (which is something I've forgotten about, considering how nobody around here ever brings it up...... ever.) I think UC sports are in a position to win a lot of games across multiple sports. And basking in victories is far more fun and far less stressful than complaining about what we don't have or where we aren't at. Yet.

IMHO, we are not just in a crappy conference. We were - the old Big East was pretty crappy. Poor leadership; and for football, the laughing stock of the BCS haves.

But we were a have. And that brought most of you to this board. Prior to that there would be nothing but crickets when it came to UC football. Empty stadiums - zero (really zero) tailgating - little local media coverage - zero national coverage. We were insignificant. So if you think that the AAC is a mere inconvenience, then again IMHO you are wrong.

And so me, and a few others, really struggle with the concept of "keeping quiet" with our concerns when you already see signs of a decline. And at least right now when people are still listening, including UC employees, I would encourage people to speak their minds about future scheduling, bowl availability, coaching salary budgets, and things revenue based. Lack of revenues will kill football. Eventually, most of the bandwagon fans will grow quiet, lose interest, and we can discuss how neat it is that Skyline will give you a free UC football ticket if you buy 3 cheese coneys.......wasn't that long ago.

Well said Rag.

(02-06-2014 03:44 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:39 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Despite being in a crappy conference (which is something I've forgotten about, considering how nobody around here ever brings it up...... ever.) I think UC sports are in a position to win a lot of games across multiple sports. And basking in victories is far more fun and far less stressful than complaining about what we don't have or where we aren't at. Yet.

IMHO, we are not just in a crappy conference. We were - the old Big East was pretty crappy. Poor leadership; and for football, the laughing stock of the BCS haves.

But we were a have. And that brought most of you to this board. Prior to that there would be nothing but crickets when it came to UC football. Empty stadiums - zero (really zero) tailgating - little local media coverage - zero national coverage. We were insignificant. So if you think that the AAC is a mere inconvenience, then again IMHO you are wrong.

And so me, and a few others, really struggle with the concept of "keeping quiet" with our concerns when you already see signs of a decline. And at least right now when people are still listening, including UC employees, I would encourage people to speak their minds about future scheduling, bowl availability, coaching salary budgets, and things revenue based. Lack of revenues will kill football. Eventually, most of the bandwagon fans will grow quiet, lose interest, and we can discuss how neat it is that Skyline will give you a free UC football ticket if you buy 3 cheese coneys.......wasn't that long ago.

(02-07-2014 08:16 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  fwiw the search firm that hired him everyone had him rated as their number 1 choice...some by a little some by a lot but he was number 1. nice to see him in the second row of the student section with his son the last 5 or so minutes of the game.

I think Ono and him are a lot alike in how they handle people which i dont know if that is a good thing. the guy does have 10 more years of experience then whit as an ad.

ES - do you work in the athletic office? I had that exact conversation regarding the search committee with an employee outside the AD basketball suite last night.

(02-06-2014 03:44 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:39 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Despite being in a crappy conference (which is something I've forgotten about, considering how nobody around here ever brings it up...... ever.) I think UC sports are in a position to win a lot of games across multiple sports. And basking in victories is far more fun and far less stressful than complaining about what we don't have or where we aren't at. Yet.

IMHO, we are not just in a crappy conference. We were - the old Big East was pretty crappy. Poor leadership; and for football, the laughing stock of the BCS haves.

But we were a have. And that brought most of you to this board. Prior to that there would be nothing but crickets when it came to UC football. Empty stadiums - zero (really zero) tailgating - little local media coverage - zero national coverage. We were insignificant. So if you think that the AAC is a mere inconvenience, then again IMHO you are wrong.

And so me, and a few others, really struggle with the concept of "keeping quiet" with our concerns when you already see signs of a decline. And at least right now when people are still listening, including UC employees, I would encourage people to speak their minds about future scheduling, bowl availability, coaching salary budgets, and things revenue based. Lack of revenues will kill football. Eventually, most of the bandwagon fans will grow quiet, lose interest, and we can discuss how neat it is that Skyline will give you a free UC football ticket if you buy 3 cheese coneys.......wasn't that long ago.

^^THIS, all of this^^

(02-06-2014 03:44 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:39 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Despite being in a crappy conference (which is something I've forgotten about, considering how nobody around here ever brings it up...... ever.) I think UC sports are in a position to win a lot of games across multiple sports. And basking in victories is far more fun and far less stressful than complaining about what we don't have or where we aren't at. Yet.

IMHO, we are not just in a crappy conference. We were - the old Big East was pretty crappy. Poor leadership; and for football, the laughing stock of the BCS haves.

But we were a have. And that brought most of you to this board. Prior to that there would be nothing but crickets when it came to UC football. Empty stadiums - zero (really zero) tailgating - little local media coverage - zero national coverage. We were insignificant. So if you think that the AAC is a mere inconvenience, then again IMHO you are wrong.

And so me, and a few others, really struggle with the concept of "keeping quiet" with our concerns when you already see signs of a decline. And at least right now when people are still listening, including UC employees, I would encourage people to speak their minds about future scheduling, bowl availability, coaching salary budgets, and things revenue based. Lack of revenues will kill football. Eventually, most of the bandwagon fans will grow quiet, lose interest, and we can discuss how neat it is that Skyline will give you a free UC football ticket if you buy 3 cheese coneys.......wasn't that long ago.

Great post Rag. Although I clearly get worn out by the numerous conference affiliation posts, I cannot argue with you.

I will say one thing - Tubs deserves props. If you really look at it, he did not recruit worse than his predecessors that clearly had "the advantage".

(02-07-2014 08:40 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 08:16 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  fwiw the search firm that hired him everyone had him rated as their number 1 choice...some by a little some by a lot but he was number 1. nice to see him in the second row of the student section with his son the last 5 or so minutes of the game.

I think Ono and him are a lot alike in how they handle people which i dont know if that is a good thing. the guy does have 10 more years of experience then whit as an ad.

ES - do you work in the athletic office? I had that exact conversation regarding the search committee with an employee outside the AD basketball suite last night.

No...just what someone told me

(02-07-2014 09:07 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I will say one thing - Tubs deserves props. If you really look at it, he did not recruit worse than his predecessors that clearly had "the advantage".

Agreed. I, like many, were concerned that CTT was going to mail it in as an on-the-job retirement program. But he really has shown me that he is serious about building a program here both during the season and this recruiting cycle.

With this horrendous weather, he could have not bothered with his trip to see Atkinson in icy Atlanta. And then to take a chance the day before signing day to fly to Georgia to speak at a high school coaches meeting which turned into another terrible drive back to Cincy in an ice storm. He couldn't even make it back and had to stop in frozen Lexington. I know it was frozen because I was stuck in Lexington that same night.

As much as I hate being in the AAC, I believe UC is in great hands with both Mick and Tommy. If Bohn and Ono can broker a deal into a P5, the rest of the collegiate sports world better watch out what UC can do with an extra $20M each year.

(02-07-2014 09:27 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:07 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I will say one thing - Tubs deserves props. If you really look at it, he did not recruit worse than his predecessors that clearly had "the advantage".

Agreed. I, like many, were concerned that CTT was going to mail it in as an on-the-job retirement program. But he really has shown me that he is serious about building a program here both during the season and this recruiting cycle.

With this horrendous weather, he could have not bothered with his trip to see Atkinson in icy Atlanta. And then to take a chance the day before signing day to fly to Georgia to speak at a high school coaches meeting which turned into another terrible drive back to Cincy in an ice storm. He couldn't even make it back and had to stop in frozen Lexington. I know it was frozen because I was stuck in Lexington that same night.

As much as I hate being in the AAC, I believe UC is in great hands with both Mick and Tommy. If Bohn and Ono can broker a deal into a P5, the rest of the collegiate sports world better watch out what UC can do with an extra $20M each year.

What was it that Admiral Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor...?

I think its important that we have some prestige whike were in this conference. How hard can it be for TT to recruit agains some of the little guys, all he has to say is "one of the winningest programs the past 5 years, and once upon a time I went undefeated in the SEC."

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(02-06-2014 03:44 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:39 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Despite being in a crappy conference (which is something I've forgotten about, considering how nobody around here ever brings it up...... ever.) I think UC sports are in a position to win a lot of games across multiple sports. And basking in victories is far more fun and far less stressful than complaining about what we don't have or where we aren't at. Yet.

IMHO, we are not just in a crappy conference. We were - the old Big East was pretty crappy. Poor leadership; and for football, the laughing stock of the BCS haves.

But we were a have. And that brought most of you to this board. Prior to that there would be nothing but crickets when it came to UC football. Empty stadiums - zero (really zero) tailgating - little local media coverage - zero national coverage. We were insignificant. So if you think that the AAC is a mere inconvenience, then again IMHO you are wrong.

And so me, and a few others, really struggle with the concept of "keeping quiet" with our concerns when you already see signs of a decline. And at least right now when people are still listening, including UC employees, I would encourage people to speak their minds about future scheduling, bowl availability, coaching salary budgets, and things revenue based. Lack of revenues will kill football. Eventually, most of the bandwagon fans will grow quiet, lose interest, and we can discuss how neat it is that Skyline will give you a free UC football ticket if you buy 3 cheese coneys.......wasn't that long ago.

All good points. Still, the constant doom and gloom and "the end is nigh!" posts to every tiny shred of non-100%-positive/totally homerun news is growing quite old. Being a have was fun. Being a have not sucks. We have people in the coaches and administration working on it. Everyone on this board understands where we are at. I dont like it just as much as the next guy. I'm well aware of the potential long term consequences of this conference.

I guess I don't see being a debby downer as being helpful, especially around here. I'm all for keeping pressure on the coaches and admins, as we should. If we let up on vocalizing our feelings to them, why should they think anyone cares. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm not trying take that away from anyone, but it has worn quite thin, hence my initial sarcasm. People saw Bohn as a guy who made two (in my opinion just one) bad coaching hires, and therefore he is gonna tank our athletics department. Instantly wanted this guy gone before he got here. Did people think we were gonna bring in Alabamas AD? aO$Us AD? Did they think that the guy was gonna bring a new conference with him? We were looking for a guy who can raise funds and fix up facilities. Given his record at CU, he can do that. What is the problem that we gotta dread his arrival.

(02-07-2014 10:11 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:27 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:07 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I will say one thing - Tubs deserves props. If you really look at it, he did not recruit worse than his predecessors that clearly had "the advantage".

Agreed. I, like many, were concerned that CTT was going to mail it in as an on-the-job retirement program. But he really has shown me that he is serious about building a program here both during the season and this recruiting cycle.

With this horrendous weather, he could have not bothered with his trip to see Atkinson in icy Atlanta. And then to take a chance the day before signing day to fly to Georgia to speak at a high school coaches meeting which turned into another terrible drive back to Cincy in an ice storm. He couldn't even make it back and had to stop in frozen Lexington. I know it was frozen because I was stuck in Lexington that same night.

As much as I hate being in the AAC, I believe UC is in great hands with both Mick and Tommy. If Bohn and Ono can broker a deal into a P5, the rest of the collegiate sports world better watch out what UC can do with an extra $20M each year.

What was it that Admiral Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor...?

Wasn't it something along the lines of "Oh, sh!t, we just kicked a hornets' nest"?

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."


Naval Marshal General Isoroku Yamamoto

(02-07-2014 09:27 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:07 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I will say one thing - Tubs deserves props. If you really look at it, he did not recruit worse than his predecessors that clearly had "the advantage".

Agreed. I, like many, were concerned that CTT was going to mail it in as an on-the-job retirement program. But he really has shown me that he is serious about building a program here both during the season and this recruiting cycle.

With this horrendous weather, he could have not bothered with his trip to see Atkinson in icy Atlanta. And then to take a chance the day before signing day to fly to Georgia to speak at a high school coaches meeting which turned into another terrible drive back to Cincy in an ice storm. He couldn't even make it back and had to stop in frozen Lexington. I know it was frozen because I was stuck in Lexington that same night.

As much as I hate being in the AAC, I believe UC is in great hands with both Mick and Tommy. If Bohn and Ono can broker a deal into a P5, the rest of the collegiate sports world better watch out what UC can do with an extra $20M each year.

Ono tweeted earlier today "remember. with every setback there is a comeback. cincinnati grit."

There must be something in the works. Since bohn was hired as ad and he removed a school from the b12 would you think that the b12 would want to do business again with him??? Leads me to believe we are going after the acc or another conference.

The ACC or another conference. If the B12 is out because Bohn Burnt Bridges (say that fast 3 times), what other conference? SEC - No Way, PAC - No way, B1G - Not unless a terrorist unleashes a dirty bomb making CowBus total uninhabitable for years to come.

So if Bohn Burnt Bridges rules out the B12 the ACC is all that is left and I fear that door is sealed unless MD gets out of the $50 million and that sets off a prison break by others.

(02-07-2014 12:03 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:27 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:07 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I will say one thing - Tubs deserves props. If you really look at it, he did not recruit worse than his predecessors that clearly had "the advantage".

Agreed. I, like many, were concerned that CTT was going to mail it in as an on-the-job retirement program. But he really has shown me that he is serious about building a program here both during the season and this recruiting cycle.

With this horrendous weather, he could have not bothered with his trip to see Atkinson in icy Atlanta. And then to take a chance the day before signing day to fly to Georgia to speak at a high school coaches meeting which turned into another terrible drive back to Cincy in an ice storm. He couldn't even make it back and had to stop in frozen Lexington. I know it was frozen because I was stuck in Lexington that same night.

As much as I hate being in the AAC, I believe UC is in great hands with both Mick and Tommy. If Bohn and Ono can broker a deal into a P5, the rest of the collegiate sports world better watch out what UC can do with an extra $20M each year.

Ono tweeted earlier today "remember. with every setback there is a comeback. cincinnati grit."

There must be something in the works. Since bohn was hired as ad and he removed a school from the b12 would you think that the b12 would want to do business again with him??? Leads me to believe we are going after the acc or another conference.

I was reluctant at first when I recalled how much he botched the Jones interview, but this guy is perfect for what we need.

I freely admit that while I liked Whit, I was not as blown away by him as many. He was more technocrat than we need right now.

This is a good thing.