(02-06-2014 03:27 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Sell it somewhere else Sea Blue.

I come here in peace to offer alternative paths of logic and truth.

Texas can be Texas wherever they want to be. That they could not be in the Big Ten is just message board back seat driving.

The risk they have with the Big Ten is if they are not successful, the plausible deniability factor is way down compared with the SEC.

What they can do is go to the ACC, or as suggested, form another conference where they can be half in, half out. As with Notre Dame they then can have the best of both worlds (and never have a chance to see their name towards the bottom of conference standings).

We both made our posts at the same time. My comments address this and are above this post. But I disagree that Texas would be Texas in the Big 10 and my reasons come from personal experience not message boards. But if Texas went to the Big 10 they would compete annually with Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State. I wouldn't see them slipping to the bottom of the Big 10 "ever", but I would see them falling farther behind their in home competition in Texas, and well off the pace from the SEC.

Another factor to consider is this. Why did ESPN sign Kansas to a tier 3 deal that lasts through the Big 12 contract?

With the crown jewel of the Big 12 under ESPN contract for 15 million a year until the end of June 2031 all ESPN had to do to make Big 10 (and therefore FOX expansion) difficult in the Big 12 is to shut down the bridge South. With Kansas locked down, although not substantially even though 7 million a year for the duration of the present contract is not to be sneezed at, they have effectively closed off Oklahoma as a real prospect. Oklahoma without Kansas is an extremely tough sell to both the Big 10 presidents and to Oklahoma. ESPN didn't consider Iowa State to be a target and there is nobody else in the Big 12 that they would even look at. So for the cost of 22 million a year ESPN eliminates Kansas and Texas from serious consideration and thereby finesses Oklahoma. It's a great play if you think about it. And that move not only blocks the Big 10, but effectively blocks the PAC as well. All of that however could be handled in house if those schools moved to the ACC or SEC, especially in numbers sufficient to eliminate the Conference and void the GOR.

(02-06-2014 01:54 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  All the more reason the ACC and SEC should work together to parse the Big 12.

Are we just a little bit scared of the Big Ten here? Is this an SEC board? Oh, wait...

Yeah, and that is why I don't come around here much anymore. It didn't used to be this way but the hatred is coming to the surface.

They got this idea in their heads that for some reason the ACC is just going to hand over some schools and reform with the "give aways" of the SEC or that they will combine forces and push everyone else out because that is what the Networks would want....

Its a little crazy but it's their board so they can have their dreams all they want.

(02-06-2014 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:54 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  All the more reason the ACC and SEC should work together to parse the Big 12.

Are we just a little bit scared of the Big Ten here? Is this an SEC board? Oh, wait...

Yeah, and that is why I don't come around here much anymore. It didn't used to be this way but the hatred is coming to the surface.

They got this idea in their heads that for some reason the ACC is just going to hand over some schools and reform with the "give aways" of the SEC or that they will combine forces and push everyone else out because that is what the Networks would want....

Its a little crazy but it's their board so they can have their dreams all they want.

Take heart H1.............the SEC isn't going to get a team from North Carolina.

(02-06-2014 08:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:54 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  All the more reason the ACC and SEC should work together to parse the Big 12.

Are we just a little bit scared of the Big Ten here? Is this an SEC board? Oh, wait...

Yeah, and that is why I don't come around here much anymore. It didn't used to be this way but the hatred is coming to the surface.

They got this idea in their heads that for some reason the ACC is just going to hand over some schools and reform with the "give aways" of the SEC or that they will combine forces and push everyone else out because that is what the Networks would want....

Its a little crazy but it's their board so they can have their dreams all they want.

Take heart H1.............the SEC isn't going to get a team from North Carolina.

They have the very real threat of being able to invite ECU if they wanted to. While it certainly wouldn't be ideal, the value alone of just the threat is certainly palpable.

I know you think it has zero chance of happening and perhaps you are right but just a hypothetical here, how do you think the four ACC schools in the State would feel about ECU getting into the SEC?

(02-06-2014 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 08:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:54 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  All the more reason the ACC and SEC should work together to parse the Big 12.

Are we just a little bit scared of the Big Ten here? Is this an SEC board? Oh, wait...

Yeah, and that is why I don't come around here much anymore. It didn't used to be this way but the hatred is coming to the surface.

They got this idea in their heads that for some reason the ACC is just going to hand over some schools and reform with the "give aways" of the SEC or that they will combine forces and push everyone else out because that is what the Networks would want....

Its a little crazy but it's their board so they can have their dreams all they want.

Take heart H1.............the SEC isn't going to get a team from North Carolina.

They have the very real threat of being able to invite ECU if they wanted to. While it certainly wouldn't be ideal, the value alone of just the threat is certainly palpable.

I know you think it has zero chance of happening and perhaps you are right but just a hypothetical here, how do you think the four ACC schools in the State would feel about ECU getting into the SEC?

First let me say that my daughter went to ECU. And I mean no disrespect for my East Carolina friends. The threat if you want to call it that of the SEC asking ECU to join would probably be taken a lot more seriously if Greenville weren't east of I-95.
To answer your question, I think the 4 ACC schools would lose a lot of respect for the SEC if they invited ECU.

(02-06-2014 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:54 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  All the more reason the ACC and SEC should work together to parse the Big 12.

Are we just a little bit scared of the Big Ten here? Is this an SEC board? Oh, wait...

Yeah, and that is why I don't come around here much anymore. It didn't used to be this way but the hatred is coming to the surface.

They got this idea in their heads that for some reason the ACC is just going to hand over some schools and reform with the "give aways" of the SEC or that they will combine forces and push everyone else out because that is what the Networks would want....

Its a little crazy but it's their board so they can have their dreams all they want.

Since when is the truth and logic hateful? You are the only one spewing bile. It is what it is. FOX has some properties and ESPN has some others and since they are the ones paying for this I think their differences and the need to protect their moneymakers is a very real part of all of this, maybe the only important part. We'll see.

The whole expansion game is pure speculation and guesswork. It's hardly anything to be upset about, as H1 and X see, to be.

(02-06-2014 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:18 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  If the ACC and B12 make it to the end of their GoR somehow, keep a close eye on ND and Texas starting their own conference. They will go to the schools they want (mostly from the ACC/B12) and show them the money. The networks will offer the moon for a conference with the ND & UT brands as well as their most valuable friends. Plus, they would be undisputed kings of that conference. They can get rid of the flaws that the current ACC and B12 have with deadweight and duplicated markets. It could be tailor made for TV unlike the rest of the conferences who have varying degrees of duplication or weak sisters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vWxElAmHc

Lipstick on a pig.

Lipstick? Maybe.....but this was just a discussion piece in response to the above post.

This shows this arrogance of Texas, but offers insight.
1. Texas thinks it can become a basketball power.
2. Texas wants to ride Kansas' coattails.
3. could go independent if they wanted
4. could start their own conference with Notre Dame (twenty peers and divide into conferences later, a door Notre Dame later shut when they joined the ACC).
5. Aren't going west.

Kansas and UT (and OU too) have deep respect for each other and are great business partners. Most years the last decade of the B12 they were 1-2-3 in some order in the unequal revenue sharing.

The dirty little secret for the first decade or so of the B12 was that KU made the most TV money from the T3 stuff. We were way ahead of the game compared to most schools. Texas learned a lot about it from Kansas when they were looking at their options in T3 TV. Still are in many ways (see the ESPN deal link) and our deal with the Canadian sports network to show all KU games this season (Wiggins is Canadian).

As far as basketball, there were rumors when the original B12 was at 12 schools and UT and KU only played once a year (2 division format) that there was some consideration about scheduling a second game OOC between the 2. KU packs UT's BB arena (see this year when their attendance has struggled, but was full for the KU upset ). Now with 10 teams that is not needed, since they play home and away each year.

KU is willing to let it's conference games with UT be shown on the LHN (in return we show them locally on the Jayhawk network) plus we pocket a nice little bonus from ESPN for doing so ($4M the first time I know). Only KU and ISU have been willing to do so in the B12.

I really think that KU, OU, and UT would like to stay together if possible; however, I do not think the B12 will be the vehicle that delivers what they need. I know that PAC/ACC/B1G would go to 20 to land them IMO. Would the SEC as well? I would think so.

(02-06-2014 11:19 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:18 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  If the ACC and B12 make it to the end of their GoR somehow, keep a close eye on ND and Texas starting their own conference. They will go to the schools they want (mostly from the ACC/B12) and show them the money. The networks will offer the moon for a conference with the ND & UT brands as well as their most valuable friends. Plus, they would be undisputed kings of that conference. They can get rid of the flaws that the current ACC and B12 have with deadweight and duplicated markets. It could be tailor made for TV unlike the rest of the conferences who have varying degrees of duplication or weak sisters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vWxElAmHc

Lipstick on a pig.

Lipstick? Maybe.....but this was just a discussion piece in response to the above post.

This shows this arrogance of Texas, but offers insight.
1. Texas thinks it can become a basketball power.
2. Texas wants to ride Kansas' coattails.
3. could go independent if they wanted
4. could start their own conference with Notre Dame (twenty peers and divide into conferences later, a door Notre Dame later shut when they joined the ACC).
5. Aren't going west.

Kansas and UT (and OU too) have deep respect for each other and are great business partners. Most years the last decade of the B12 they were 1-2-3 in some order in the unequal revenue sharing.

The dirty little secret for the first decade or so of the B12 was that KU made the most TV money from the T3 stuff. We were way ahead of the game compared to most schools. Texas learned a lot about it from Kansas when they were looking at their options in T3 TV. Still are in many ways (see the ESPN deal link) and our deal with the Canadian sports network to show all KU games this season (Wiggins is Canadian).

As far as basketball, there were rumors when the original B12 was at 12 schools and UT and KU only played once a year (2 division format) that there was some consideration about scheduling a second game OOC between the 2. KU packs UT's BB arena (see this year when their attendance has struggled, but was full for the KU upset ). Now with 10 teams that is not needed, since they play home and away each year.

KU is willing to let it's conference games with UT be shown on the LHN (in return we show them locally on the Jayhawk network) plus we pocket a nice little bonus from ESPN for doing so ($4M the first time I know). Only KU and ISU have been willing to do so in the B12.

I really think that KU, OU, and UT would like to stay together if possible; however, I do not think the B12 will be the vehicle that delivers what they need. I know that PAC/ACC/B1G would go to 20 to land them IMO. Would the SEC as well? I would think so.

I think we move to 4 power conferences first and perhaps finally. If we do the SEC will add 2, maybe 3 if we have a duplicate that would like to leave (big if). But if we did a perfect way for the SEC to finish realignment would be with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. But OSU and OU's tight relationship might be a fly in the ointment for that one. But then I suppose OU, OSU, and Kansas would work just fine too. There is a lot to be determined yet, and I have a feeling the brokering behind the scenes has to be worked out first and we could all be in for some surprises.

(02-06-2014 11:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 11:19 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vWxElAmHc

Lipstick on a pig.

Lipstick? Maybe.....but this was just a discussion piece in response to the above post.

This shows this arrogance of Texas, but offers insight.
1. Texas thinks it can become a basketball power.
2. Texas wants to ride Kansas' coattails.
3. could go independent if they wanted
4. could start their own conference with Notre Dame (twenty peers and divide into conferences later, a door Notre Dame later shut when they joined the ACC).
5. Aren't going west.

Kansas and UT (and OU too) have deep respect for each other and are great business partners. Most years the last decade of the B12 they were 1-2-3 in some order in the unequal revenue sharing.

The dirty little secret for the first decade or so of the B12 was that KU made the most TV money from the T3 stuff. We were way ahead of the game compared to most schools. Texas learned a lot about it from Kansas when they were looking at their options in T3 TV. Still are in many ways (see the ESPN deal link) and our deal with the Canadian sports network to show all KU games this season (Wiggins is Canadian).

As far as basketball, there were rumors when the original B12 was at 12 schools and UT and KU only played once a year (2 division format) that there was some consideration about scheduling a second game OOC between the 2. KU packs UT's BB arena (see this year when their attendance has struggled, but was full for the KU upset ). Now with 10 teams that is not needed, since they play home and away each year.

KU is willing to let it's conference games with UT be shown on the LHN (in return we show them locally on the Jayhawk network) plus we pocket a nice little bonus from ESPN for doing so ($4M the first time I know). Only KU and ISU have been willing to do so in the B12.

I really think that KU, OU, and UT would like to stay together if possible; however, I do not think the B12 will be the vehicle that delivers what they need. I know that PAC/ACC/B1G would go to 20 to land them IMO. Would the SEC as well? I would think so.

I think we move to 4 power conferences first and perhaps finally. If we do the SEC will add 2, maybe 3 if we have a duplicate that would like to leave (big if). But if we did a perfect way for the SEC to finish realignment would be with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. But OSU and OU's tight relationship might be a fly in the ointment for that one. But then I suppose OU, OSU, and Kansas would work just fine too. There is a lot to be determined yet, and I have a feeling the brokering behind the scenes has to be worked out first and we could all be in for some surprises.

OU wants one of UT or OSU in the same conference with them since they can not play both OOC. Just limits FB scheduling flexibility too much. That is why, once UT decided they wanted to stay in the B12, when OU talked to the PAC and SEC in 2011 they insisted on OSU going with them. If Texas goes to the same conference with them (say the SEC), then OU would be fine with OSU being in another conference. OU could schedule OSU OOC since UT would be a conference game.

The RRR will not go anywhere. It drives donations with alumni for both UT and OU. If OU ever has to chose between UT or OSU then OSU will be the loser.

Interesting fact. David Boren from OU has a building named after him on the OSU campus. Part of the reason, maybe, that he protects OSU so much (too much in many OU fans eyes).

(02-06-2014 11:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 11:19 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 08:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vWxElAmHc

Lipstick on a pig.

Lipstick? Maybe.....but this was just a discussion piece in response to the above post.

This shows this arrogance of Texas, but offers insight.
1. Texas thinks it can become a basketball power.
2. Texas wants to ride Kansas' coattails.
3. could go independent if they wanted
4. could start their own conference with Notre Dame (twenty peers and divide into conferences later, a door Notre Dame later shut when they joined the ACC).
5. Aren't going west.

Kansas and UT (and OU too) have deep respect for each other and are great business partners. Most years the last decade of the B12 they were 1-2-3 in some order in the unequal revenue sharing.

The dirty little secret for the first decade or so of the B12 was that KU made the most TV money from the T3 stuff. We were way ahead of the game compared to most schools. Texas learned a lot about it from Kansas when they were looking at their options in T3 TV. Still are in many ways (see the ESPN deal link) and our deal with the Canadian sports network to show all KU games this season (Wiggins is Canadian).

As far as basketball, there were rumors when the original B12 was at 12 schools and UT and KU only played once a year (2 division format) that there was some consideration about scheduling a second game OOC between the 2. KU packs UT's BB arena (see this year when their attendance has struggled, but was full for the KU upset ). Now with 10 teams that is not needed, since they play home and away each year.

KU is willing to let it's conference games with UT be shown on the LHN (in return we show them locally on the Jayhawk network) plus we pocket a nice little bonus from ESPN for doing so ($4M the first time I know). Only KU and ISU have been willing to do so in the B12.

I really think that KU, OU, and UT would like to stay together if possible; however, I do not think the B12 will be the vehicle that delivers what they need. I know that PAC/ACC/B1G would go to 20 to land them IMO. Would the SEC as well? I would think so.

I think we move to 4 power conferences first and perhaps finally. If we do the SEC will add 2, maybe 3 if we have a duplicate that would like to leave (big if). But if we did a perfect way for the SEC to finish realignment would be with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. But OSU and OU's tight relationship might be a fly in the ointment for that one. But then I suppose OU, OSU, and Kansas would work just fine too. There is a lot to be determined yet, and I have a feeling the brokering behind the scenes has to be worked out first and we could all be in for some surprises.

I don't think a TU to the B1G scenario is as far fetched as most of you, but it might require the B1G to commit to going to 18 and taking KU, OU and UT as a group. KU seems to prefer the B1G to the SEC and if TX posters are correct there's some historic animosity between TX and the SEC. Joining the B1G as a group retains the TX/OU rivalry, and lets TX and OU fans travel up the plains for games in Nebraska, Iowa and Kansas, just as they do now. And they can watch TX play at least one home game against Michigan, Wisconsin, Mich. St., Ohio St. or Penn. St. every year. That's a fairly good outcome for TX fans. ESPN might go for it too - the more Big 12 teams the B1G gets, the fewer spots available later if the B1G tries to add ACC teams. That helps ESPN keep its pet conference, the ACC, intact and guarantees that it survives as a P4 conference.

(02-06-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The whole expansion game is pure speculation and guesswork. It's hardly anything to be upset about, as H1 and X see, to be.

Sure thing. I'm just raging over here over it all. Lovely seeing this turn into ACC forum (lite) after being asked and invited to come over here only to see more anti Big Ten posting.

Lucky for me I guess that I really don't take any of your posting seriously.

(02-07-2014 12:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The whole expansion game is pure speculation and guesswork. It's hardly anything to be upset about, as H1 and X see, to be.

Sure thing. I'm just raging over here over it all. Lovely seeing this turn into ACC forum (lite) after being asked and invited to come over here only to see more anti Big Ten posting.

Lucky for me I guess that I really don't take any of your posting seriously.

Fantastic!

The good news is nobody on this forum will miss you when you leave.

Run along now!

(02-07-2014 01:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 12:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The whole expansion game is pure speculation and guesswork. It's hardly anything to be upset about, as H1 and X see, to be.

Sure thing. I'm just raging over here over it all. Lovely seeing this turn into ACC forum (lite) after being asked and invited to come over here only to see more anti Big Ten posting.

Lucky for me I guess that I really don't take any of your posting seriously.

Fantastic!

The good news is nobody on this forum will miss you when you leave.

Run along now!

The good news is, you don't speak for everyone and hardly anyone knows who you are.

(02-07-2014 02:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 12:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The whole expansion game is pure speculation and guesswork. It's hardly anything to be upset about, as H1 and X see, to be.

Sure thing. I'm just raging over here over it all. Lovely seeing this turn into ACC forum (lite) after being asked and invited to come over here only to see more anti Big Ten posting.

Lucky for me I guess that I really don't take any of your posting seriously.

Fantastic!

The good news is nobody on this forum will miss you when you leave.

Run along now!

The good news is, you don't speak for everyone and hardly anyone knows who you are.

Cut out the chirping guys, this is supposed to be a pleasant distraction.

As I'm a little late to the party, I'll keep my perspective brief;

ESPN Being the King is hard, especially when you have to appear as though you can't/don't control the sports media world. With majority stakes in the SEC and ACC, all you're looking for is to maximize you're current properties while getting top tier distribution rights from everyone else. Thus, the priorities are propping up ACC football w/o major upheaval. With the LHN at you're disposal, you go ahead and convince Texas to join the ACC along with Baylor and TCU. In a surprise move, the ACC adds WVU for #18.

FOX Your network is trying to catch-up to one that has a 30 year head start. But the task is not nearly that daunting. First though, you need to resolve that platform lineup. Bidding for the B1G top tier lineup seems like a nonstarter unless you are willing to put the games on FOX. But getting the Second tier B1G games and putting them on FS1 and FX is certainly doable. Using these two platforms, along with FOX in the evening will allow you to gain ground with ESPN, just as soon as you can find a way to get match-up on earlier. Thus, you leverage that PAC to take TTech, OU, KSU and ISU.

BIG The additions of MD and Rutgers were strategically sound, but prove not to capture the DC and NYC markets like you expected. While adding on the VA schools might solve the DC issue, ESPN recent move make prying either of them out impossible. You could add UConn in the hopes that the two Tri-State schools can do what the one can't, but ultimately decide it isn't worth the investment. Instead you add KU to address the lack of top tier bball in the western part of the conference.

SEC The only real move required is one to address the headache of 14 team scheduling. Lots of top pieces are already off the board, but are able to entice OKST to join the SEC instead of heading with the Longhorns to the ACC. While there are other options available (Cinci, ECU and SMU) none deliver the ROI for adding. (ESPN having a surprise 'look-in' for helping the WWL eliminate the B12)

ACC With the addition of the Longhorns, the LHN gets converted into the ACCN, which allows the conference distributions to come to parity with the SEC. Texas still gets paid the extra 15 million for 'allowing' their network to be converted to general use.

PAC The Pan Asian endeavor doesn't get any further than American Somoa, FOX, in attempt to catch up quickly with ESPN, offer you the same type of deal for the PAC Network that they have with the B1G. The deal allows the PAC to come with parity of the ACC.

(02-06-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The whole expansion game is pure speculation and guesswork. It's hardly anything to be upset about, as H1 and X see, to be.

Wait just a minute! Is it a good thing or a bad thing to be lumped in with H1?

Since JR pulled the trigger too quickly on the first part of the thread, I wanted to give my two cents worth.
These would be the optimal situations for each of the 4 P5 leagues that are presumed to be left standing.

SEC
Texas and Oklahoma. It gets the SEC to 16 in style......break up the west, break up the west!

B1G
Texas and Oklahoma. Lots of new TV sets and better football than anybody else in the B1G plays now.

PAC
Texas and Oklahoma. The two best teams to create a market outside of their isolated marketing area.

ACC
Any two of: Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas, Florida, or Michigan State. The folks in the ACC have no illusion that Hoops is their stock-in-trade. While Florida does not have the pedigree of Indiana they do have two NCAA championships and would give the ACC the entire state of Florida. Kansas, WOW! Dean played there, that's good enough for me. Kentucky, only program to win more games than Carolina, but they have played a lot more years too.

(02-07-2014 01:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  Since JR pulled the trigger too quickly on the first part of the thread, I wanted to give my two cents worth.
These would be the optimal situations for each of the 4 P5 leagues that are presumed to be left standing.

SEC
Texas and Oklahoma. It gets the SEC to 16 in style......break up the west, break up the west!

B1G
Texas and Oklahoma. Lots of new TV sets and better football than anybody else in the B1G plays now.

PAC
Texas and Oklahoma. The two best teams to create a market outside of their isolated marketing area.

ACC
Any two of: Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas, Florida, or Michigan State. The folks in the ACC have no illusion that Hoops is their stock-in-trade. While Florida does not have the pedigree of Indiana they do have two NCAA championships and would give the ACC the entire state of Florida. Kansas, WOW! Dean played there, that's good enough for me. Kentucky, only program to win more games than Carolina, but they have played a lot more years too.

Well that certainly outlines the complexity of the nature of unrealistic expectations on all accounts, but what do you see as the most practical solution to the problem of product distribution given the dynamics of network desires and conference wishes?

And if you get too testy, we'll just refer to you as L1 and then you will know where you stand.