Can't say I blame Boehner on this one. Obama has lied on nearly every important issue, goes around congress whenever he wants, and has pretty much shown he can't be trusted on anything. Obama won't even enforce or defend existing laws - what's to trust? Now watch how the libs explode and start calling the GOP a bunch of racists. I only hope this hardball stance Boehner is taking doesn't backfire and blow up next November.

Quote:House Speaker John Boehner dampened prospects for immigration reform this year, blaming a lack of “trust” between the White House and Republicans.

“There’s widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws,” he said Thursday in a briefing with reporters. “And it’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

But the GOP leader did not say what rebuilding that trust might entail.

Boehner said he would continue speaking to members of his conference about how to move forward with legislation but that the president’s new focus on using executive action to accomplish his goals has undermined his push for immigration reform.

“The president’s asking us to move one of the biggest bills of his presidency, and yet he’s shown very little willingness to work with us on the smallest of things,” he said.

Boehner’s tough talk echoes concerns voiced by rank-and-file members after Republicans unveiled their “principles” for immigration reform last week. While GOP leaders say they want to get immigration reform done, many Republicans are loathe to offer the White House much leeway on immigration provisions that they say would benefit Democrats at the ballot.

The Republican leader is also in the process of navigating a debt ceiling hike – something that his members hope to use to extract concessions from the White house.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress...ear-n23671

Obama doesn't make the laws and Obama won't be there to enforce them in a couple of year.

Sorry excuse not to work on immigration reform.

Step one - Secure the border.
Step two - Criminal Background checks for
Sep three -pay fines and pay taxes and Learn English

(02-06-2014 12:47 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Step one - Secure the border.
Step two - Criminal Background checks for
Sep three -pay fines and pay taxes and Learn English

The above is good - unless we can enforce current law, what is the point of writing new or changing current? If we're not going to enforce the border (way better than currently done), why play games with legislation. Lets be real here, Obama and Reid could really care less about immigration EXCEPT how many votes could it deliver - which means it's all just politics.

If it were me, I wouldn't even be a stickler on the "learn English" portion too much as I know the first generations often never become very proficient in what is, for them, a second language. They should be able to read/write English well enough to understand contracts, etc.

(02-06-2014 12:34 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Can't say I blame Boehner on this one. Obama has lied on nearly every important issue, goes around congress whenever he wants, and has pretty much shown he can't be trusted on anything. Obama won't even enforce or defend existing laws - what's to trust? Now watch how the libs explode and start calling the GOP a bunch of racists. I only hope this hardball stance Boehner is taking doesn't backfire and blow up next November.

Quote:House Speaker John Boehner dampened prospects for immigration reform this year, blaming a lack of “trust” between the White House and Republicans.

“There’s widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws,” he said Thursday in a briefing with reporters. “And it’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

But the GOP leader did not say what rebuilding that trust might entail.

Boehner said he would continue speaking to members of his conference about how to move forward with legislation but that the president’s new focus on using executive action to accomplish his goals has undermined his push for immigration reform.

“The president’s asking us to move one of the biggest bills of his presidency, and yet he’s shown very little willingness to work with us on the smallest of things,” he said.

Boehner’s tough talk echoes concerns voiced by rank-and-file members after Republicans unveiled their “principles” for immigration reform last week. While GOP leaders say they want to get immigration reform done, many Republicans are loathe to offer the White House much leeway on immigration provisions that they say would benefit Democrats at the ballot.

The Republican leader is also in the process of navigating a debt ceiling hike – something that his members hope to use to extract concessions from the White house.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress...ear-n23671

This was actually a relief. I was about to flip a lid if he gave Obama the reform he wants.

Nothing is broken. We don't need any more laws. We need the ones we have on the books enforced.

(02-06-2014 01:48 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:34 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Can't say I blame Boehner on this one. Obama has lied on nearly every important issue, goes around congress whenever he wants, and has pretty much shown he can't be trusted on anything. Obama won't even enforce or defend existing laws - what's to trust? Now watch how the libs explode and start calling the GOP a bunch of racists. I only hope this hardball stance Boehner is taking doesn't backfire and blow up next November.

Quote:House Speaker John Boehner dampened prospects for immigration reform this year, blaming a lack of “trust” between the White House and Republicans.

“There’s widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws,” he said Thursday in a briefing with reporters. “And it’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

But the GOP leader did not say what rebuilding that trust might entail.

Boehner said he would continue speaking to members of his conference about how to move forward with legislation but that the president’s new focus on using executive action to accomplish his goals has undermined his push for immigration reform.

“The president’s asking us to move one of the biggest bills of his presidency, and yet he’s shown very little willingness to work with us on the smallest of things,” he said.

Boehner’s tough talk echoes concerns voiced by rank-and-file members after Republicans unveiled their “principles” for immigration reform last week. While GOP leaders say they want to get immigration reform done, many Republicans are loathe to offer the White House much leeway on immigration provisions that they say would benefit Democrats at the ballot.

The Republican leader is also in the process of navigating a debt ceiling hike – something that his members hope to use to extract concessions from the White house.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress...ear-n23671

This was actually a relief. I was about to flip a lid if he gave Obama the reform he wants.

Nothing is broken. We don't need any more laws. We need the ones we have on the books enforced.

Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

Enforce the law already on the books.

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

How do you know that they aren't the best and the brightest? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they aren't smart and willing to work hard.

(02-06-2014 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

How do you know that they aren't the best and the brightest? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they aren't smart and willing to work hard.

You wouldn't be implying that 12,000,000 illegals plus all the millions who are here legally are the best and brightest Mexico has to offer, are you? And while many of them are hard workers, that doesn't make them the best or the brightest.

(02-06-2014 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

How do you know that they aren't the best and the brightest? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they aren't smart and willing to work hard.

You don't have the slightest idea what the "best and the brightest" means, do you?

(02-06-2014 03:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

How do you know that they aren't the best and the brightest? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they aren't smart and willing to work hard.

You wouldn't be implying that 12,000,000 illegals plus all the millions who are here legally are the best and brightest Mexico has to offer, are you? And while many of them are hard workers, that doesn't make them the best or the brightest.

Of the 12 million I am not implying that all of them are the best and the brightest and I am not implying that they are all the Mexico has to offer.

What I am saying however is that just because they are uneducated, doesn't mean they do not have potential to do great things.

(02-06-2014 03:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

How do you know that they aren't the best and the brightest? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they aren't smart and willing to work hard.

You wouldn't be implying that 12,000,000 illegals plus all the millions who are here legally are the best and brightest Mexico has to offer, are you? And while many of them are hard workers, that doesn't make them the best or the brightest.

Of the 12 million I am not implying that all of them are the best and the brightest and I am not implying that they are all the Mexico has to offer.

What I am saying however is that just because they are uneducated, doesn't mean they do not have potential to do great things.

OK, so let them do great things in Mexico so the need for future Mexicans to bail out and flee the country is minimized.

(02-06-2014 03:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  The ones jumping fences and hiding in meat trucks aren't the best and brightest. What do we do with them?

How do you know that they aren't the best and the brightest? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they aren't smart and willing to work hard.

You wouldn't be implying that 12,000,000 illegals plus all the millions who are here legally are the best and brightest Mexico has to offer, are you? And while many of them are hard workers, that doesn't make them the best or the brightest.

Of the 12 million I am not implying that all of them are the best and the brightest and I am not implying that they are all the Mexico has to offer.

What I am saying however is that just because they are uneducated, doesn't mean they do not have potential to do great things.

OK, so let them do great things in Mexico so the need for future Mexicans to bail out and flee the country is minimized.

But this is the land of opportunity. These people may never reach their potential in their how country.

That is what made America great, it gave immigrants the chance to reach their potential.

Wouldn't you rather have great people come to this country to invent the next great thing?

(02-06-2014 05:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How do you know that they aren't the best and the brightest? Just because they are poor doesn't mean they aren't smart and willing to work hard.

You wouldn't be implying that 12,000,000 illegals plus all the millions who are here legally are the best and brightest Mexico has to offer, are you? And while many of them are hard workers, that doesn't make them the best or the brightest.

Of the 12 million I am not implying that all of them are the best and the brightest and I am not implying that they are all the Mexico has to offer.

What I am saying however is that just because they are uneducated, doesn't mean they do not have potential to do great things.

OK, so let them do great things in Mexico so the need for future Mexicans to bail out and flee the country is minimized.

But this is the land of opportunity. These people may never reach their potential in their how country.

That is what made America great, it gave immigrants the chance to reach their potential.

Wouldn't you rather have great people come to this country to invent the next great thing?

Isn't it in America's best interests to have a strong economy and middle class in Mexico? If a shithole like Mexico has no use for their own people then isn't the humane and compassionate thing to do is to get them on their feet, teach them to fish, and allow the country to thrive? An argument can be made that you want America to exceed at the expense of Mexico.

(02-06-2014 05:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 05:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  You wouldn't be implying that 12,000,000 illegals plus all the millions who are here legally are the best and brightest Mexico has to offer, are you? And while many of them are hard workers, that doesn't make them the best or the brightest.

Of the 12 million I am not implying that all of them are the best and the brightest and I am not implying that they are all the Mexico has to offer.

What I am saying however is that just because they are uneducated, doesn't mean they do not have potential to do great things.

OK, so let them do great things in Mexico so the need for future Mexicans to bail out and flee the country is minimized.

But this is the land of opportunity. These people may never reach their potential in their how country.

That is what made America great, it gave immigrants the chance to reach their potential.

Wouldn't you rather have great people come to this country to invent the next great thing?

Isn't it in America's best interests to have a strong economy and middle class in Mexico? If a shithole like Mexico has no use for their own people then isn't the humane and compassionate thing to do is to get them on their feet, teach them to fish, and allow the country to thrive? An argument can be made that you want America to exceed at the expense of Mexico.

You might be right but that isn't what the government really wants.

We had a chance when we beat Mexico in war to take the entire country and make it part of the United States.

Unfortunately, racism reared it's ugly head again and our government only took the least populated part of the country.

Fit, think about it for a second; we spend billions and billions in foreign aid so backwater countries can get their crap together. Shouldn't we encourage Mexico to get their crap together, iron out their corruption and drug issues, and build a middle class? Think about how bad things must be down there if people are willing to risk their lives sneaking into this country. Mexico has problems, but those problems are their problems and they'll never be solved if their best and brightest flock to this country. In fact, Mexico encourages immigration to the USA because 1.) then they don't have to deal with the people with no jobs or money, and 2.) immigrants send $$$ back home and improves the Mexican economy. That money could go into our economy instead of theirs.

Mexico City, 4 feb (EFE).- Mexico received $21.59 billion in remittances from emigrants in 2013, a figure that was down 3.7 percent compared to 2012, the Bank of Mexico said.

The 2013 figure did not surpass the $22.44 billion in remittances received in 2012 even though the flow had been trending higher since August.

Nearly 74 million transactions were registered in 2013, with the average remittance totaling $292, the central bank said.

Remittances rose 3.5 percent to $5.34 billion in the fourth quarter of last year, compared to the same period in 2012, with 18.4 million transactions and an average amount of $285.30, the Bank of Mexico said.

Analysts had projected a drop in remittances in 2013, but they are expecting a rebound this year.

Remittances sent by Mexicans living abroad, mainly in the United States, are the country's second-largest source of foreign exchange, after oil, and help cover the living expenses of millions of people.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/agencia-efe/140205/mexico-receives-2159-bn-remittances-2013-0

Harboring Mexico's poor doesn't do anything to help Mexico create a sustainable country.

(02-06-2014 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:48 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:34 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Can't say I blame Boehner on this one. Obama has lied on nearly every important issue, goes around congress whenever he wants, and has pretty much shown he can't be trusted on anything. Obama won't even enforce or defend existing laws - what's to trust? Now watch how the libs explode and start calling the GOP a bunch of racists. I only hope this hardball stance Boehner is taking doesn't backfire and blow up next November.

Quote:House Speaker John Boehner dampened prospects for immigration reform this year, blaming a lack of “trust” between the White House and Republicans.

“There’s widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws,” he said Thursday in a briefing with reporters. “And it’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

But the GOP leader did not say what rebuilding that trust might entail.

Boehner said he would continue speaking to members of his conference about how to move forward with legislation but that the president’s new focus on using executive action to accomplish his goals has undermined his push for immigration reform.

“The president’s asking us to move one of the biggest bills of his presidency, and yet he’s shown very little willingness to work with us on the smallest of things,” he said.

Boehner’s tough talk echoes concerns voiced by rank-and-file members after Republicans unveiled their “principles” for immigration reform last week. While GOP leaders say they want to get immigration reform done, many Republicans are loathe to offer the White House much leeway on immigration provisions that they say would benefit Democrats at the ballot.

The Republican leader is also in the process of navigating a debt ceiling hike – something that his members hope to use to extract concessions from the White house.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress...ear-n23671

This was actually a relief. I was about to flip a lid if he gave Obama the reform he wants.

Nothing is broken. We don't need any more laws. We need the ones we have on the books enforced.

Immigration is what made this country great. We need the best, and the brightest to continue to come to this country in droves.

.....but that's generally not who is coming. Not only that, but wouldn't it be nice to keep out the criminals that hop the fences - and if we can't keep out the uneducated poorest, what makes you think we keep out any of their criminals/ drug trade folks that come here?

(02-06-2014 05:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Fit, think about it for a second; we spend billions and billions in foreign aid so backwater countries can get their crap together. Shouldn't we encourage Mexico to get their crap together, iron out their corruption and drug issues, and build a middle class? Think about how bad things must be down there if people are willing to risk their lives sneaking into this country. Mexico has problems, but those problems are their problems and they'll never be solved if their best and brightest flock to this country. In fact, Mexico encourages immigration to the USA because 1.) then they don't have to deal with the people with no jobs or money, and 2.) immigrants send $$$ back home and improves the Mexican economy. That money could go into our economy instead of theirs.

Mexico City, 4 feb (EFE).- Mexico received $21.59 billion in remittances from emigrants in 2013, a figure that was down 3.7 percent compared to 2012, the Bank of Mexico said.

The 2013 figure did not surpass the $22.44 billion in remittances received in 2012 even though the flow had been trending higher since August.

Nearly 74 million transactions were registered in 2013, with the average remittance totaling $292, the central bank said.

Remittances rose 3.5 percent to $5.34 billion in the fourth quarter of last year, compared to the same period in 2012, with 18.4 million transactions and an average amount of $285.30, the Bank of Mexico said.

Analysts had projected a drop in remittances in 2013, but they are expecting a rebound this year.

Remittances sent by Mexicans living abroad, mainly in the United States, are the country's second-largest source of foreign exchange, after oil, and help cover the living expenses of millions of people.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/agencia-efe/140205/mexico-receives-2159-bn-remittances-2013-0

I don't disagree with what you are saying.

I just know that it's never going to fly.

As it stands today, people criticize Obama for wanting to rebuild the middle class in THIS country calling wealth redistribution.

Can you just imagine if the President started saying it is in our best interest to rebuild Mexico's middle class?