(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Well said. It's unfortunate that some in this country believe that they are more deserving of it than others and that they were here before anyone else.

I was born and raised here, this is my country, I DO deserve it more than others not born and raised here. Go to China or Mexico and say the same thing to a Chinese or Mexican.

Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

I think we're misunderstanding each other. I don't have a problem with a legal citizen. If they're THAT proud to be an American then they should be upset that a major bev company is reaching out to different countries. Especially since they've worked so hard to get legal status here. I'm sure they want to feel like they belong in the U/S.

(02-03-2014 11:53 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I was born and raised here, this is my country, I DO deserve it more than others not born and raised here. Go to China or Mexico and say the same thing to a Chinese or Mexican.

Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

Are those 50 people assimilating or turning their neck of the woods into the place they just escaped from? Legit question.

History Indicates by the third generation, they will be exclusive English speakers.

What history? Where do you get that. 3 gen ~60 years

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(02-03-2014 11:56 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:53 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

Are those 50 people assimilating or turning their neck of the woods into the place they just escaped from? Legit question.

History Indicates by the third generation, they will be exclusive English speakers.

English meaning Spanish?

(02-03-2014 08:10 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The man was a Heisman Trophy winner. There's no way he wasn't going to find a spot in the NFL, get snaps and opportunities.

Jason White.

(02-03-2014 11:58 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What history? Where do you get that. 3 gen ~60 years

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This is specific to California, but it's pretty true everywhere.

Quote:Thirteen percent of Californian immigrant children ages 5 to 18 do not speak English well or at all. Second-generation children (with at least one parent born outside the U.S.) speak English at higher levels of fluency—only 4% do not speak English or do not speak it well. By the third generation (both parents born in the U.S.), all young people report that they speak English at least "well," and the vast majority (96%) do not report speaking another language at home.

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=817

Basically, it happens like this:

1. Adult migrates to the US, learns very little English.
2. Child of said adult is bilingual, getting native language at home, and English everywhere else.
3. Grandchild of first adult speaks only English, using it both at home and outside.

(02-03-2014 12:10 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 08:10 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The man was a Heisman Trophy winner. There's no way he wasn't going to find a spot in the NFL, get snaps and opportunities.

Jason White.

Tommy Frazier

(02-03-2014 11:53 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I was born and raised here, this is my country, I DO deserve it more than others not born and raised here. Go to China or Mexico and say the same thing to a Chinese or Mexican.

Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

Are those 50 people assimilating or turning their neck of the woods into the place they just escaped from? Legit question.

The ones I know all have decent jobs, etc and live every day pretty much like I do. Of course they still celebrate their own culture, which they should. Having said that, they also have no problem throwing back a beer and grilling hamburgers on July 4th. These people honored and proud to be US citizens.

(02-03-2014 11:59 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:56 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:53 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

Are those 50 people assimilating or turning their neck of the woods into the place they just escaped from? Legit question.

History Indicates by the third generation, they will be exclusive English speakers.

English meaning Spanish?

lol, my 8 year old daughter is almost fluent in Spanish and English is her native language. Kids are amazing that way. I'm taking Spanish lessons now, mainly so I know when my daughter is talking back at me. :)

(02-03-2014 11:56 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:53 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

Are those 50 people assimilating or turning their neck of the woods into the place they just escaped from? Legit question.

History Indicates by the third generation, they will be exclusive English speakers.

I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, then there should be very little need for entire communities that speak in just one foreign language, where all their stores have signs in a foreign language, and there would be a pretty small market for all the Spanish speaking TV and radio networks. The only way those things might be needed is if there is a never ending stream of immigrants going to those markets who only habla. Ever been to Chinatown in NYC? Those people have been there for decades and still speak mixed/broken English and their normal method of communicating among themselves is in their native language. Same thing with the Puerto Ricans in Jersey City. We won't even talk about Florida.

That's a fair point, and I'd only counter with this, foreign enclaves in neighborhoods are not a new phenomenon. The same thing happened with the waves of eastern European immigrants in the mid-19th through early 20th century, and they assimilated.

My folks arrived from Germany around 1849. They lived in a German-speaking community. They spoke primarily German until around 1918. That's a long time. Family members fought in US Army in CW and WWI.

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

But you do have to do something to maintain that. Far too few immigrants do.

(02-03-2014 12:24 PM)Smaug Wrote:  That's a fair point, and I'd only counter with this, foreign enclaves in neighborhoods are not a new phenomenon. The same thing happened with the waves of eastern European immigrants in the mid-19th through early 20th century, and they assimilated.

That's an exaggeration. Such fictitious folklore is part of the problem.

Okla the idea that America has ever been one homogenized monotonous culture is laughable. This country is more diverse than any other on the planet. Always has been (post 19th century). A culture of diversity. That was the essence of the commercial. You of all people should celebrate it. Nothing more American than recognizing our awesomeness at being one people of many backgrounds.

(02-03-2014 12:36 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

But you do have to do something to maintain that. Far too few immigrants do.

I see folks that have immigrated to the US out work and out class folks born here. What you say is true, but it's not fair to hold one side accountable while the other side gets a free pass based soley on where they did not choose to be born, etc.

As a citizen of New Orleans (you know, a really old old old American city), I can tell you that English is just another language in our hodge podge of linguistics.

(02-03-2014 10:34 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, for those keeping score at home, the pinko commie cabal roll call is up to:

The NFL
Cheerios
Coca-Cola

Don't forget chopsticks. And apparently burritos now too.

(02-03-2014 12:39 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 12:36 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

But you do have to do something to maintain that. Far too few immigrants do.

I see folks that have immigrated to the US out work and out class folks born here. What you say is true, but it's not fair to hold one side accountable while the other side gets a free pass based soley on where they did not choose to be born, etc.

Work isn't the only issue.

And I do hold those here accountable. However, they do some credit b/c they and their families pay more taxes and have supported communities. That pass is not "free".

In the end however, there needs to be a reckoning between those who support the US' fundamentals and those who don't. To be honest, the US revolution didn't have widespread support among the population. And there were many who were ardent loyalists.

(02-03-2014 12:37 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 12:24 PM)Smaug Wrote:  That's a fair point, and I'd only counter with this, foreign enclaves in neighborhoods are not a new phenomenon. The same thing happened with the waves of eastern European immigrants in the mid-19th through early 20th century, and they assimilated.

That's an exaggeration. Such fictitious folklore is part of the problem.

There weren't enclaves of eastern Europeans who spoke only their native language in the past century and a half?