(01-22-2014 11:10 PM)tigertom Wrote:  I"ll tell you guys a story on several games a bit later .

Those were great years.

Dan o I had no idea you were "Of that age and time".

Yep.

Class of 1967, Memphis State University

Older, but still very feisty

Age is just a number!

(01-20-2014 11:11 AM)AtlantaTonyTiger Wrote:  I was at the UCLA game and I can tell you hands down it was the Chalmers shot. But I still swear to this day, that Walton should have fouled out early in that game.

ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY..THANK YOU!! Walton played almost the entire second half with 4 fouls. To my recollection Kenon stopped getting the ball so much in the post in the second half which could have led to a foul on Walton. I don't know if that was a Bartow call or UCLA's defense just got that much better. Chalmers should never have taken that shot as the Kansas guard was fouled before he got the ball to Chalmers per Calipari's orders. They just didn't want to get an intentional foul called so it had to not be so obvious. But to answer the question, Chalmers shot, because the Tigers were the better team that day.

(01-23-2014 09:40 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 11:11 AM)AtlantaTonyTiger Wrote:  I was at the UCLA game and I can tell you hands down it was the Chalmers shot. But I still swear to this day, that Walton should have fouled out early in that game.

ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY..THANK YOU!! Walton played almost the entire second half with 4 fouls. To my recollection Kenon stopped getting the ball so much in the post in the second half which could have led to a foul on Walton. I don't know if that was a Bartow call or UCLA's defense just got that much better. Chalmers should never have taken that shot as the Kansas guard was fouled before he got the ball to Chalmers per Calipari's orders. They just didn't want to get an intentional foul called so it had to not be so obvious. But to answer the question, Chalmers shot, because the Tigers were the better team that day.

Rose bumped the Kansas guard all the way down the court and actually knocked him down as he passed the ball to Chalmers.

(01-20-2014 10:17 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Which was tougher to stomach; the dominance of Bill Walton in the 1973 title game or the Mario Chalmers shot in 2008?

Chalmers.........not even close.

Walton was a beast, and they just beat us.

(01-23-2014 08:04 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 11:10 PM)tigertom Wrote:  I"ll tell you guys a story on several games a bit later .

Those were great years.

Dan o I had no idea you were "Of that age and time".

Yep.

Class of 1967, Memphis State University

Older, but still very feisty

Age is just a number!

You have me beat by probably 2 years in age. I was originally Class of 1969, but with a change in major and transfer in to Memphis State in 1968 extending me beyond 4 years of college, and me having a low draft number that prompted me to enlist for 4 years in the Navy, my eventual graduation was extended to Class of 1975.

(01-21-2014 12:02 AM)BASSDRUMMER68-75 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 11:11 AM)AtlantaTonyTiger Wrote:  I was at the UCLA game and I can tell you hands down it was the Chalmers shot. But I still swear to this day, that Walton should have fouled out early in that game.

If any body has any doubts or thinks that the refs DIDN'T favor UCLA in that game, I have all but about 4 minutes of it on DVD. The refs were biased as hell. There was one call in particular in the second half. Billy Buford was driving to the basket and was hacked by Walton. The referee blew his whistle for the foul. It looked like he was actually gonna call it on Walton, but suddenly turned at the waist and pointed at Keith (Jamal) Wilkes. Couldn't let Big Red get his third foul. That's the truth.

To hear some tell it on this board, the refs are never factors in the game and never make calls that determine the outcome. The referees in NCAA basketball are like supreme court justices, they answer to no one and are never questioned, in public anyway. When you are not accountable to anyone, you can do what you please and get away with it. It's unfortunate for the kids playing in these contests that work so hard to make it to a championship game and have that happen to them.

I don't see how anybody can argue that refs don't influence the outcomes of games, in almost any fast moving sport.

I have said in the past that I don't think refs INTENTIONALLY are crooked now, they just make terrible calls that cost teams games, and they have inherent biases toward certain teams and conferences.

HOWEVER, back in the day (the Bradley game in 1957, and the UCLA game in 1973), the refs absolutely were crooked.

(01-23-2014 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't see how anybody can argue that refs don't influence the outcomes of games, in almost any fast moving sport.

I have said in the past that I don't think refs INTENTIONALLY are crooked now, they just make terrible calls that cost teams games, and they have inherent biases toward certain teams and conferences.

HOWEVER, back in the day (the Bradley game in 1957, and the UCLA game in 1973), the refs absolutely were crooked.

Agree on this, except for the NBA.

But as for non-pro sports I have long said that the extreme athleticism of the players has long since outstripped the ability of refs to keep up with the action, both mentally and physically.

(01-23-2014 09:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 08:04 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 11:10 PM)tigertom Wrote:  I"ll tell you guys a story on several games a bit later .

Those were great years.

Dan o I had no idea you were "Of that age and time".

Yep.

Class of 1967, Memphis State University

Older, but still very feisty

Age is just a number!

You have me beat by probably 2 years in age. I was originally Class of 1969, but with a change in major and transfer in to Memphis State in 1968 extending me beyond 4 years of college, and me having a low draft number that prompted me to enlist for 4 years in the Navy, my eventual graduation was extended to Class of 1975.

Aha---a squid! lol

Due to world events when I graduated in '67, I was pretty gung ho and volunteered as a jarhead soon after that.

But, such was the way of the world for lots of us guys in those days.

It sure sucked a few years after returning home to see Walton handed the "gift of a win over the Tigers.

Fixed, I tell ya.

(01-23-2014 09:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 08:04 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 11:10 PM)tigertom Wrote:  I"ll tell you guys a story on several games a bit later .

Those were great years.

Dan o I had no idea you were "Of that age and time".

Yep.

Class of 1967, Memphis State University

Older, but still very feisty

Age is just a number!

You have me beat by probably 2 years in age. I was originally Class of 1969, but with a change in major and transfer in to Memphis State in 1968 extending me beyond 4 years of college, and me having a low draft number that prompted me to enlist for 4 years in the Navy, my eventual graduation was extended to Class of 1975.

Thank you for your service.

(01-23-2014 10:21 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't see how anybody can argue that refs don't influence the outcomes of games, in almost any fast moving sport.

I have said in the past that I don't think refs INTENTIONALLY are crooked now, they just make terrible calls that cost teams games, and they have inherent biases toward certain teams and conferences.

HOWEVER, back in the day (the Bradley game in 1957, and the UCLA game in 1973), the refs absolutely were crooked.

Agree on this, except for the NBA.

But as for non-pro sports I have long said that the extreme athleticism of the players has long since outstripped the ability of refs to keep up with the action, both mentally and physically.

The refs in Olympic basketball are about as bad as the gymnastics judges.

(01-20-2014 01:51 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  And I'm stilled p*$$ed about Keith Lee fouling out with 10 minutes left against Villanova.

1) Keith Lee didn't commit the foul that disqualified him. I believe it was Bedford.

2) No team with a starting five of Lee, Bedford, Turner, Askew and Holmes could be held to 45 points except by the coach.

(01-22-2014 10:21 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 09:25 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 05:44 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 05:36 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 05:26 PM)mairving Wrote:  From the Memphis Flyer.

Yep. Like I said, he virtually tackled him.

Bradley has been on my shhht list ever since

Didn't we smoke them at the Coliseum when they had Hershey Hawkins?

I got home and checked that out. We played them Elliot Perry's first year. Hersey Hawkins came in averaging 41 points a game. We were down 7 with less than a minute to go, and we were able to take them to overtime thanks to 3's by Elliot and McLaughlin. We won in OT and both teams scored over 100. I was there, just didn't remember

Trips Tigers has it 113-108. It was Finch's second year at Memphis. Pretty good team too.
Sidney Adkins G Jr.
Marvin Alexander C Jr.
DeWayne Bailey C Sr.
Steve Ballard C/F Jr.
Dwight Boyd G Sr.
Rodney Douglas F Jr.
Cheyenne Gibson G So.
Sylvester Gray F So.
Ronald McClain F Fr.
John McLaughlin G Fr.
Bret Mundt C Jr.
Elliot Perry G Fr.
John Williams G So.
Russell Young F/G Fr.

You can take Marvin Alexander and Sylvester Gray off your list. This was the first game we had to play after they got suspended. Johnny Mac won the game with a 3 from the corner.

(01-23-2014 10:40 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 09:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 08:04 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 11:10 PM)tigertom Wrote:  I"ll tell you guys a story on several games a bit later .

Those were great years.

Dan o I had no idea you were "Of that age and time".

Yep.

Class of 1967, Memphis State University

Older, but still very feisty

Age is just a number!

You have me beat by probably 2 years in age. I was originally Class of 1969, but with a change in major and transfer in to Memphis State in 1968 extending me beyond 4 years of college, and me having a low draft number that prompted me to enlist for 4 years in the Navy, my eventual graduation was extended to Class of 1975.

Aha---a squid! lol

Due to world events when I graduated in '67, I was pretty gung ho and volunteered as a jarhead soon after that.

But, such was the way of the world for lots of us guys in those days.

It sure sucked a few years after returning home to see Walton handed the "gift of a win over the Tigers.

Fixed, I tell ya.

I wasn't that gung ho. I just had a low draft number, exceeded my 4-year exemption for college, and did 4 years in the Navy to avoid getting shot at in the Army or Marines. I had 2 childhood friends, including one I was very close to, die in Viet Nam.

My matriculation delay meant I was still a student when we got robbed in 1973.

(01-23-2014 11:04 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 09:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You have me beat by probably 2 years in age. I was originally Class of 1969, but with a change in major and transfer in to Memphis State in 1968 extending me beyond 4 years of college, and me having a low draft number that prompted me to enlist for 4 years in the Navy, my eventual graduation was extended to Class of 1975.

Thank you for your service.

Thank you for that. You know, back in the Viet Nam era, people weren't so supportive of the military. There was a lot of unnecessary and unjustified stuff done and said toward a lot of us.

It makes me appreciate the support now, even more.

(01-23-2014 11:07 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 10:21 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't see how anybody can argue that refs don't influence the outcomes of games, in almost any fast moving sport.

I have said in the past that I don't think refs INTENTIONALLY are crooked now, they just make terrible calls that cost teams games, and they have inherent biases toward certain teams and conferences.

HOWEVER, back in the day (the Bradley game in 1957, and the UCLA game in 1973), the refs absolutely were crooked.

Agree on this, except for the NBA.

But as for non-pro sports I have long said that the extreme athleticism of the players has long since outstripped the ability of refs to keep up with the action, both mentally and physically.

The refs in Olympic basketball are about as bad as the gymnastics judges.

I ignore the Olympics as much as possible.

(01-23-2014 11:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 10:40 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 09:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 08:04 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 11:10 PM)tigertom Wrote:  I"ll tell you guys a story on several games a bit later .

Those were great years.

Dan o I had no idea you were "Of that age and time".

Yep.

Class of 1967, Memphis State University

Older, but still very feisty

Age is just a number!

You have me beat by probably 2 years in age. I was originally Class of 1969, but with a change in major and transfer in to Memphis State in 1968 extending me beyond 4 years of college, and me having a low draft number that prompted me to enlist for 4 years in the Navy, my eventual graduation was extended to Class of 1975.

Aha---a squid! lol

Due to world events when I graduated in '67, I was pretty gung ho and volunteered as a jarhead soon after that.

But, such was the way of the world for lots of us guys in those days.

It sure sucked a few years after returning home to see Walton handed the "gift of a win over the Tigers.

Fixed, I tell ya.

I wasn't that gung ho. I just had a low draft number, exceeded my 4-year exemption for college, and did 4 years in the Navy to avoid getting shot at in the Army or Marines. I had 2 childhood friends, including one I was very close to, die in Viet Nam.

My matriculation delay meant I was still a student when we got robbed in 1973.

Navy was a great choice; I wish my cousin had picked Navy instead of Army.

(01-20-2014 12:31 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We were in San Antonio. I held my 5 year old son for the entire game so he could see because everyone in our section stood the entire game... as they should. Coming down the home stretch, a fellow Tiger fan reached over and tapped me on the shoulder and said "your son is going to remember this his entire life. Our first national championship". I will remember both moments (the Chalmers shot and the shoulder tap) for the rest of my life.

That really... Really... Sucks. I'm sorry man.

Of course what really stings is that the three point line was moved backed after the Chalmers shot. That was the last three pointer ever in college basketball where the line was 19 feet and 9 inches.

Unless, didn't we make a three in overtime?

(01-20-2014 12:11 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 11:11 AM)AtlantaTonyTiger Wrote:  I was at the UCLA game and I can tell you hands down it was the Chalmers shot. But I still swear to this day, that Walton should have fouled out early in that game.

I agree on both, we had the Kansas game. UCLA blew us out the second half and Walton was unstoppable, and the refs gave him a couple of no calls.

A couple? It was downright shameful. The media today would have been all over that.