It is almost impossible to beat ranked teams on the road, and very difficult to beat them on a neutral court. Here is a list of wins by the present top 25. I counted our game against Michigan State as a road game. I counted Baylor and Kentucky as a neutral site game even though it was played in Dallas.

Arizona - 6 Duke Neutral
Syracuse - 18 Baylor Neutral
Ohio State - 17 Marquette Away
Michigan State - 1 UK Neutral
Wisconsin - 0
Wichita State - 0
Iowa State - 0
Louisville - 0
Baylor - 3 Kentucky Neutral
Villanova - 2 Kansas Neutral, 23 Iowa Neutral
Florida - 11 Memphis Neutral
Oklahoma State - 20 Colorado Neutral
Duke - 0
Oregon - 0
San Diego State - 20 Creighton N, 25 Marquette N, 16 Kansas A
Kentucky - 0
Colorado - 0
Gonzaga - 0
UMass - 19 New Mexico Neutral
Kansas - 4 Duke Neutral
Missouri - 0
Memphis - 5 Oklahoma State Neutral, 12 Louisville Away
Creighton - 0
Iowa - 0
UCLA - 0

- The entire top 25 has a grand total of 16 wins against the top 25 on the road or on a neutral court.

- The entire top 25 has 3 wins against the top 25 on the road

3 Wins: San Diego State
2 Wins: Memphis, Villanova
More Than 1 Win W/Road Win: Memphis, San Diego State
Road Win: Memphis, Ohio State, San Diego State

1 Team with 3 wins
2 Teams with 2 wins
9 Teams with 1 win
13 Teams with 0 wins
3 Teams with road win


Memphis 2011-2014
6 Neutral (2-5)
5 Away (1-4)
Total 3-9


The bottom line is that it is very difficult to win these games. Our record of 3-9 over the last 3+ years is respectable. If Cincy and UConn can figure out a way to get ranked between now and the tournament, we should be able to win one of those as well. I counted Michigan State as a road game.

I have been very consistent during the Pastner era on 5 fronts.

1. It is almost impossible to win on the road and very difficult on a neutral court

2. When you have no opportunities after Christmas, it puts enormous pressure on you

3. When you have almost no opportunities at home, it makes the pressure increase exponentially

4. IF Pastner had more opportunities in the last 4 years, he would have won quite a few of these games

5. This year is a long season; if everyone is patient, Pastner will have multiple wins against the top 25.

Edited; I knew that road wins were almost impossible to come by, but I find it hard to believe that there have only been 3 road wins. I will check that over the weekend.

Good stuff.

Shows just how overplayed the 0-13/1-13 thing really was.

Kind of eye-opening and hard to believe.

Good work.

Oklahoma State doesn't have a neutral win over us, just a home one. So they should be removed from teams with 2 wins. Only SDSU with 3 and villanova with 2 match Memphis in road/neutral top 25 wins (assuming your other data is correct).

(01-10-2014 03:24 PM)HKTigerFan Wrote:  Oklahoma State doesn't have a neutral win over us, just a home one. So they should be removed from teams with 2 wins. Only SDSU with 3 and villanova with 2 match Memphis in road/neutral top 25 wins (assuming your other data is correct).

Very good point and thank you. In my original response to my own post, I mentioned that I did it quickly. They actually beat Colorado in Las Vegas, so the neutral win is valid.
I will edit it out now.

As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-13 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

There is actually a very simple reason for it. Kentucky, Louisville, Duke and Kansas all began in the top 6. As long as they weren't getting blown out, they only fell a couple of places at a time. Teams outside of the top 25 that won big games were not going to leapfrog them in one shot, so they always got protected. When we lost to Oklahoma State we were in a "good" position to get jumped by lesser teams.

If there were no rankings yesterday and the pollsters had to rank the top 25 teams based on results; there would only be around 10 teams ahead of us. Also, whenever anyone says that preseason rankings or early rankings don't matter are full of crap. Being ranked as high as possible is always important. It keeps the school in the limelight; helps recruiting, and ultimately will help with seeding no matter what people think.

Wow, those numbers are crazy.

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

the Pastner haters are low minded people.

the sad part is that they were given such a voice on here and on local radio, many real fans were taken in by the negativity.

(01-11-2014 08:47 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

the Pastner haters are low minded people.

the sad part is that they were given such a voice on here and on local radio, many real fans were taken in by the negativity.

Past tense?

Stammers, the TAMMS will really resent you posting those hardcore facts.

We will not see many responses from them on this thread.

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

Lets remember Kentucky played a better Louisville team...Even if it was at home.

(01-11-2014 10:31 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

Lets remember Kentucky played a better Louisville team...Even if it was at home.

What's the point of this?
You think anyone is gonna care that we LOST by 2 to a full strength Fla. team? Or that we beat a full strength #5 Okla. St. team?
What counts come tourney time is our resume Vs top teams.

Only people who want to poop on the ice cream would even bother to point out what will be (by March) a completely irrelevant fact.

Great information and points Stammers. For the life of me I just can't understand how some people can't see JP for what he is and what he represents: a great young coach growing into his potential who represents our school with excellent character, ethics and integrity.

(01-11-2014 11:14 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Great information and points Stammers. For the life of me I just can't understand how some people can't see JP for what he is and what he represents: a great young coach growing into his potential who represents our school with excellent character, ethics and integrity.

there are two possibilities:

they are not fans

or

they are people don't like character, ethics and integrity or they are so self loathing that they enjoy putting people down.

(01-11-2014 10:54 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(01-11-2014 10:31 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

Lets remember Kentucky played a better Louisville team...Even if it was at home.

What's the point of this?
You think anyone is gonna care that we LOST by 2 to a full strength Fla. team? Or that we beat a full strength #5 Okla. St. team?
What counts come tourney time is our resume Vs top teams.

Only people who want to poop on the ice cream would even bother to point out what will be (by March) a completely irrelevant fact.

We are talking about pollsters and ranking RIGHT NOW...Not seeding in March...But he whatever floats your boat.

(01-11-2014 10:31 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

Lets remember Kentucky played a better Louisville team...Even if it was at home.

Do you want a cookie?

(01-11-2014 03:40 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2014 10:31 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 06:32 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  [b]As Pomeroy pointed out a few weeks ago, Memphis only had like 2 home game chances in that original 0-1
3 vs top 25 stat. Everything else was away or neutral. [/b] And this shows just how hard it is to win against a good team as an away game.

Which is also why I believe this team should currently be ranked in the top 10. Less than 5 other teams likely have quality neutral or road wins as we do.

It was interesting to see the pollsters cream their pants and promote Kentucky over Memphis in the rankings when Kentucky beat Louisville at home, after losing to every other decent team they've played. This was a bigger win since it was a road game, and we also have a top 5 neutral court win to boot. Time for the pollsters to man up and wise up.

Now, that is interesting and very telling. Wonder how many "haters/critics" have considered this or better yet, even know it and know the statistics Stammers provided?

Lets remember Kentucky played a better Louisville team...Even if it was at home.

Do you want a cookie?

LOL...Just pointing out a fact that may sway the pollsters to discount our win...That is all...