(01-03-2014 01:17 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 12:33 PM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 11:14 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 10:52 AM)banker Wrote:  I saw the Marshall beat down of ECU coming.

I saw us own the record all time, facilities, fan base, history, move up in conference, win the league MVP, more players in the NFL, higher ranking this year, better attendance oh forget it SJ will take of this.

et lost the game that mattered.

So none of our other 11 games mattered? Beating 2 in-state P5 rivals doesn't matter? ok.

Congratulation on Marshall victory this season; however, to those few fans who wish to blow their horn (none stop) please remember Marshall's overall record against ECU is 5-10 and 3-6 in Cusa (33%). No disrespect but Marshall is secondary to our playing and beating UNC and NCSU. I am sure if Marshall played and beat West Va. you would feel the same. Regardless, I will be pulling for Marshall to win its first Cusa Championship next season.

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

Correct. NCSU was terrible this year. UNC is much better than the Army impersonators over yonder.

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

Please,and Marshall beating a weak Maryland team is impressive? ECU beat both AQ in state rivals by wide margins. What's important is that both Marshall and ECU played very well against teams that are supposed to be better than lowly Conf USA teams.

(01-03-2014 10:31 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  What were the top C-USA football victories of the 2013 season?

Here my list:

1. Marshall over Maryland in the Military Bowl (Bowl win over the ACC)
2. North Texas over UNLV in the HOD Bowl (Bowl win over MWC)
3. ECU over Ohio in the Beef O'Brady's Bowl (Bowl win over MAC)
4. ECU over North Carolina (N. Carolina of the ACC won the Belk Bowl)
5. Rice over Marshall (C-USA Title Game)
6. North Texas over Ball State (Ball St. finished 10-2, will play in the Go Daddy Bowl)
7. Marshall over ECU (No one saw that beat down coming)
8. ECU over NC State (win over the ACC)
9. Rice over Kansas (win over the Big 12)
10. North Texas over Rice (only conference loss for Rice)

Honestly why is any regular season win over a MAC team impressive? Also, sorry, but beating one of the worst teams n the MWC, a league that Conf USA has historically been very even with n terms of talent, is not that impressive, it just isn't. If you want to give North Texas props for its first bowl win n a decade go ahead, but not a win over UNLV . Finally, why should any win over a G5 school be considered a good thing, unless the win equals Conf championship?

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

(01-03-2014 03:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

Question.....why does West Va. or Marshall not play each other? ECU plays @ WVA (2015) and home to WVA (2016). Nothing like beating an in-state school as far as attendance and in-state recruits:)

(01-03-2014 11:56 AM)Hank Rearden Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 11:14 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 10:52 AM)banker Wrote:  I saw the Marshall beat down of ECU coming.

I saw us own the record all time, facilities, fan base, history, move up in conference, win the league MVP, more players in the NFL, higher ranking this year, better attendance oh forget it SJ will take of this.

History? lol

More players in NFL? Nope.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/m

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/e

Higher ranking this year? Nope. And this ranking is before we beat Maryland.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...s/3916355/

Head-to-head this year? Nope.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333330276

Conference MVP? lol. Scoreboard. Cato owns Carden. 2 of 3. Actually 2-0 since Cato was injured in Greenville last year.

I don't count d1aa small time football stats so congrats at winning agasint the worst competition that gives scholarships. Imagine how many more games ECU would have won or national d1aa champs. I would not trade one 10 win season in D1aa for the whole era of John Thompson.

NFL you have inactives included for Marshall, and Lance Lewis is just one not on the list for ECU.

All the polls that matter have you ranked behind us.

Carden had surgery before your game after we steam rolled another BCS school. So we want count that like you said. Heck this year we almost beat half as many bcs schools as you have in your entire programs history

If Marshall didn't have the HELP program for student athletes you might not even exist. Congrats on getting kids in that can barely read.

The UNC defeat by ECU was a solid win.

(01-03-2014 03:34 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

Question.....why does West Va. or Marshall not play each other? ECU plays @ WVA (2015) and home to WVA (2016). Nothing like beating an in-state school as far as attendance and in-state recruits:)

Their are multiple reasons why we don't play WVU. We don't want to play them because they won't except a home-home. Our last contract was not to our favor at all. We played in Morganhole five times while only playing in Huntington twice. Also, in our history of playing each other, they never played us when we were better than average.

This question is complicated by ECU's departure :). If they were staying in the conference, I'd put the UNC game (1), Marshall-Maryland (2), but since they are leaving I'd have to rate Marshall-Maryland as the tops.

I did thoroughly enjoy ECU's wins over UNC and State tho!

(01-03-2014 03:57 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:34 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

Question.....why does West Va. or Marshall not play each other? ECU plays @ WVA (2015) and home to WVA (2016). Nothing like beating an in-state school as far as attendance and in-state recruits:)

Their are multiple reasons why we don't play WVU. We don't want to play them because they won't except a home-home. Our last contract was not to our favor at all. We played in Morganhole five times while only playing in Huntington twice. Also, in our history of playing each other, they never played us when we were better than average.

I don't see them playing you unless government pushes for the coal bowl. It is very hard for decent non bcs schools to get home and home. Also Doc played at WVU and left to get head coaching experience so he could coach at WVU in the future. WVU would not hire him without head coaching experience first. If you got rid of the HELP program and took normal students that would help your case. I don't see Dana hanging around to long but his buyout is crazy. Congrats on Doc as well and I think he is a really good coach.

(01-03-2014 04:06 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:57 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:34 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

Question.....why does West Va. or Marshall not play each other? ECU plays @ WVA (2015) and home to WVA (2016). Nothing like beating an in-state school as far as attendance and in-state recruits:)

Their are multiple reasons why we don't play WVU. We don't want to play them because they won't except a home-home. Our last contract was not to our favor at all. We played in Morganhole five times while only playing in Huntington twice. Also, in our history of playing each other, they never played us when we were better than average.

I don't see them playing you unless government pushes for the coal bowl. It is very hard for decent non bcs schools to get home and home. Also Doc played at WVU and left to get head coaching experience so he could coach at WVU in the future. WVU would not hire him without head coaching experience first. If you got rid of the HELP program and took normal students that would help your case. I don't see Dana hanging around to long but his buyout is crazy. Congrats on Doc as well and I think he is a really good coach.

Why should marshall get rid of the HELP program and what is "normal students" supposed to mean?

Shouldn't these wins be against non CUSA teams?

(01-03-2014 04:39 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Shouldn't these wins be against non CUSA teams?

I agree. It should be ooc wins only.

(01-03-2014 04:06 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:57 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:34 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 01:47 PM)banker Wrote:  Let's be honest, beating NC State is about as impressive as our win over Gardner Webb. NCST was putrid this year.

They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

Question.....why does West Va. or Marshall not play each other? ECU plays @ WVA (2015) and home to WVA (2016). Nothing like beating an in-state school as far as attendance and in-state recruits:)

Their are multiple reasons why we don't play WVU. We don't want to play them because they won't except a home-home. Our last contract was not to our favor at all. We played in Morganhole five times while only playing in Huntington twice. Also, in our history of playing each other, they never played us when we were better than average.

I don't see them playing you unless government pushes for the coal bowl. It is very hard for decent non bcs schools to get home and home. Also Doc played at WVU and left to get head coaching experience so he could coach at WVU in the future. WVU would not hire him without head coaching experience first. If you got rid of the HELP program and took normal students that would help your case. I don't see Dana hanging around to long but his buyout is crazy. Congrats on Doc as well and I think he is a really good coach.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. The HELP program is open to all Marshall students with learning disabilities as a tutoring and mentoring program. The fact that so many ECU (and other) fans misconstrue the program to be some kind of NQ eligibility racket just shows how uninformed they really are.

http://www.marshall.edu/help/

The only reason WVU will not play Marshall is their perception of power in the state. For them, playing Marshall regularly in football, especially in Huntington, is a sign of a deterioration of their power and a rise in the power of Marshall in terms of state support and control. If the the game was played regularly enough, the existing power imbalance within the state's higher education system would eventually become balanced between the two.

I don't really think that would happen though. They still have nearly twice as many students as Marshall and have a significantly larger endowment. However, there is no denying that there would be some gains by Marshall in the legitimacy of their program and their right to grow into a national university within the state.

My list:

1-Marshall over Maryland
2-ECU over UNC
3-UNT over Ball St
4-ECU over Ohio
5-UNT over UNLV
6-Tulsa over Colorado St
7-Tulane over ULM
8-Rice over Kansas
9-ECU over NCSt
10-MTSU over Memphis

Hell, our only other FBS wins were USF, NMSU x3, Idaho, Miami (OH), and UNM.

(01-03-2014 04:36 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 04:06 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:57 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:34 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

Question.....why does West Va. or Marshall not play each other? ECU plays @ WVA (2015) and home to WVA (2016). Nothing like beating an in-state school as far as attendance and in-state recruits:)

Their are multiple reasons why we don't play WVU. We don't want to play them because they won't except a home-home. Our last contract was not to our favor at all. We played in Morganhole five times while only playing in Huntington twice. Also, in our history of playing each other, they never played us when we were better than average.

I don't see them playing you unless government pushes for the coal bowl. It is very hard for decent non bcs schools to get home and home. Also Doc played at WVU and left to get head coaching experience so he could coach at WVU in the future. WVU would not hire him without head coaching experience first. If you got rid of the HELP program and took normal students that would help your case. I don't see Dana hanging around to long but his buyout is crazy. Congrats on Doc as well and I think he is a really good coach.

Why should marshall get rid of the HELP program and what is "normal students" supposed to mean?

Normal means you actually qualify with sat and gpa (the real purpose of a University) Not that others don't take them, Marshall is just a leader in the industry. If you want to specialize a program like this it should be at a community college.

(01-03-2014 05:13 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  My list:

2-Marshall over Maryland
1-ECU over UNC
5-UNT over Ball St
10ECU over Ohio
7-UNT over UNLV
6-Tulsa over Colorado St
8-Tulane over ULM
4-Rice over Kansas
3-ECU over NCSt
9-MTSU over Memphis

Hell, our only other FBS wins were USF, NMSU x3, Idaho, Miami (OH), and UNM.

Fixed it, I stand by my top 4. The rest not really a good win IMO, cusa should win those.

(01-03-2014 03:01 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 10:31 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  What were the top C-USA football victories of the 2013 season?

Here my list:

1. Marshall over Maryland in the Military Bowl (Bowl win over the ACC)
2. North Texas over UNLV in the HOD Bowl (Bowl win over MWC)
3. ECU over Ohio in the Beef O'Brady's Bowl (Bowl win over MAC)
4. ECU over North Carolina (N. Carolina of the ACC won the Belk Bowl)
5. Rice over Marshall (C-USA Title Game)
6. North Texas over Ball State (Ball St. finished 10-2, will play in the Go Daddy Bowl)
7. Marshall over ECU (No one saw that beat down coming)
8. ECU over NC State (win over the ACC)
9. Rice over Kansas (win over the Big 12)
10. North Texas over Rice (only conference loss for Rice)

Honestly why is any regular season win over a MAC team impressive? Also, sorry, but beating one of the worst teams n the MWC, a league that Conf USA has historically been very even with n terms of talent, is not that impressive, it just isn't. If you want to give North Texas props for its first bowl win n a decade go ahead, but not a win over UNLV . Finally, why should any win over a G5 school be considered a good thing, unless the win equals Conf championship?

The win over Ball State is important to the conference because Ball State finished 10-2 this season, and our conference was 2-3 versus the MAC this season in the OOC.

UNLV was a middle of the pack MWC team. They finished the regular season 7-5. Five MWC teams had better records then UNLV and six teams had worse records.

Finally wins over G5 schools are extremely important. We have to win more of those games. This season C-USA did not fair as well as it should have in those games, and we suffered all season for it. Many in the media considered C-USA the weakest conference. I don't believe we were, but the bottom programs in our conference certainly lost some games we expected them to win against some G5 schools.

(01-03-2014 04:48 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 04:06 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:57 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:34 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  They were putrid but beating both our ACC rivals is huge for our perception in-state.

Question.....why does West Va. or Marshall not play each other? ECU plays @ WVA (2015) and home to WVA (2016). Nothing like beating an in-state school as far as attendance and in-state recruits:)

Their are multiple reasons why we don't play WVU. We don't want to play them because they won't except a home-home. Our last contract was not to our favor at all. We played in Morganhole five times while only playing in Huntington twice. Also, in our history of playing each other, they never played us when we were better than average.

I don't see them playing you unless government pushes for the coal bowl. It is very hard for decent non bcs schools to get home and home. Also Doc played at WVU and left to get head coaching experience so he could coach at WVU in the future. WVU would not hire him without head coaching experience first. If you got rid of the HELP program and took normal students that would help your case. I don't see Dana hanging around to long but his buyout is crazy. Congrats on Doc as well and I think he is a really good coach.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. The HELP program is open to all Marshall students with learning disabilities as a tutoring and mentoring program. The fact that so many ECU (and other) fans misconstrue the program to be some kind of NQ eligibility racket just shows how uninformed they really are.

http://www.marshall.edu/help/

The only reason WVU will not play Marshall is their perception of power in the state. For them, playing Marshall regularly in football, especially in Huntington, is a sign of a deterioration of their power and a rise in the power of Marshall in terms of state support and control. If the the game was played regularly enough, the existing power imbalance within the state's higher education system would eventually become balanced between the two.

Wrong, the only reason they played was because of the old Governor who is now your senator.