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(12-14-2013 05:09 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Every program has its share of players from the inner city and the sticks.

Every damn one of them. Okay, maybe not BYU, but everybody else.

We will know the "final score" on that issue after the 2/5/14 results are in. We will then know which instate HS programs attracted the most attention from our various instate college programs as well as out of state schools.

AND, BTW, I did not say "less talented" but I did venture that they may be "not as well physically conditioned" because of the declining funding of their HS programs over the last decade.

I talked to a high school coach over the weekend randomly. He said something I never really thought about: his kids from inner city schools were tougher and in better shape than his kids from the suburbs because the kids from the suburbs play video games all day while the inner city kids don't really have anything to do other than go outside and play.

But you're right, it's most likely because everybody hates poor people and don't give them fancy things.

(12-29-2013 08:31 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 05:09 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Every program has its share of players from the inner city and the sticks.

Every damn one of them. Okay, maybe not BYU, but everybody else.

We will know the "final score" on that issue after the 2/5/14 results are in. We will then know which instate HS programs attracted the most attention from our various instate college programs as well as out of state schools.

AND, BTW, I did not say "less talented" but I did venture that they may be "not as well physically conditioned" because of the declining funding of their HS programs over the last decade.

I talked to a high school coach over the weekend randomly. He said something I never really thought about: his kids from inner city schools were tougher and in better shape than his kids from the suburbs because the kids from the suburbs play video games all day while the inner city kids don't really have anything to do other than go outside and play.

But you're right, it's most likely because everybody hates poor people and don't give them fancy things.

One thing I do know is obvious - the suburban kids from around the state are winning almost all the state playoffs at almost every level at which they compete and in all sports - including both football and basketball. Check out the ALL METRO players listed in the recent NEWS.

Free weights are fairly common across the state, but those Nautilus type machines are very expensive to buy and to maintain.At WEHS we had some but when they broke, they stayed broke due to city school financial distress. That kind of problem may be typical across Alabama's poorer school districts. We can check out in Feb how many of the rural Alabama school's kids get signed by D1 programs in football and in April by D1 basketball programs.

Haven't heard the term nautilus in about 15 years.

(12-29-2013 11:04 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Haven't heard the term nautilus in about 15 years.

I knew it may have been dated, but that is why I said "type" due to that possibility. I have been retired from WEHS about that long, and they tore the school down a few years ago. The last WEHS athlete still playing in the NFL is Earl Bennet (#80) with the Chicago Bears.

So in all this complaining about facilities, you admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

(12-29-2013 11:34 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  So in all this complaining about facilities, you admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

When UAB football wins the C-USA title and gains high national poll rankings with only its present facilities, I will stand rebuked - but not until then.

I have watched football teams play for longer than you have lived, and I have listened to those (particularly well regarded coaches) who know the sport discuss what a school needs to excel in any sport. Right now the only major men's sport at UAB to have been provided modern facilities is basketball and our improved record on the court and in recruiting reflects that it worked. If UAB football does not meet those facility needs in the next 2 or 3 years, I doubt any coach will consistently be able to greatly improve on our record or our recruiting until we do.

Then why are you trying to get them Nautilus equipment.

(12-29-2013 11:10 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:04 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Haven't heard the term nautilus in about 15 years.

I knew it may have been dated, but that is why I said "type" due to that possibility. I have been retired from WEHS about that long, and they tore the school down a few years ago. The last WEHS athlete still playing in the NFL is Earl Bennet (#80) with the Chicago Bears.

I remember watching Bennet play against Mortimer Jordan HS several years ago. I had good friend that ended up on his high school highlight tape. Bennet was a beast.

(12-29-2013 10:55 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 08:31 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 05:09 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Every program has its share of players from the inner city and the sticks.

Every damn one of them. Okay, maybe not BYU, but everybody else.

We will know the "final score" on that issue after the 2/5/14 results are in. We will then know which instate HS programs attracted the most attention from our various instate college programs as well as out of state schools.

AND, BTW, I did not say "less talented" but I did venture that they may be "not as well physically conditioned" because of the declining funding of their HS programs over the last decade.

I talked to a high school coach over the weekend randomly. He said something I never really thought about: his kids from inner city schools were tougher and in better shape than his kids from the suburbs because the kids from the suburbs play video games all day while the inner city kids don't really have anything to do other than go outside and play.

But you're right, it's most likely because everybody hates poor people and don't give them fancy things.

One thing I do know is obvious - the suburban kids from around the state are winning almost all the state playoffs at almost every level at which they compete and in all sports - including both football and basketball. Check out the ALL METRO players listed in the recent NEWS.

Free weights are fairly common across the state, but those Nautilus type machines are very expensive to buy and to maintain.At WEHS we had some but when they broke, they stayed broke due to city school financial distress. That kind of problem may be typical across Alabama's poorer school districts. We can check out in Feb how many of the rural Alabama school's kids get signed by D1 programs in football and in April by D1 basketball programs.

You ever been to Butler high school? They won in basketball a few years ago with Lacey, no?

And how many times have people come on this board and said UAB has a great weight room now? Is your argument about weights/machines, or buildings?

(12-29-2013 08:31 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 05:09 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Every program has its share of players from the inner city and the sticks.

Every damn one of them. Okay, maybe not BYU, but everybody else.

We will know the "final score" on that issue after the 2/5/14 results are in. We will then know which instate HS programs attracted the most attention from our various instate college programs as well as out of state schools.

AND, BTW, I did not say "less talented" but I did venture that they may be "not as well physically conditioned" because of the declining funding of their HS programs over the last decade.

I talked to a high school coach over the weekend randomly. He said something I never really thought about: his kids from inner city schools were tougher and in better shape than his kids from the suburbs because the kids from the suburbs play video games all day while the inner city kids don't really have anything to do other than go outside and play.

But you're right, it's most likely because everybody hates poor people and don't give them fancy things.

A high school football team comprised of of both inner city and suburban kids is rather unique, where is the school located?

He didn't coach the same kids at the same school. I knew that question was going to come after I reread this, but I didn't feel like modifying the post. I also figured this question would come from you.

(12-30-2013 09:06 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  He didn't coach the same kids at the same school. I knew that question was going to come after I reread this, but I didn't feel like modifying the post. I also figured this question would come from you.

Yeah you knew that would trigger my bs detector.

Yeah, that's what it is...

The main problem with the inner city vs. sub is there are to many city football programs, which tend to dilute the product on the field. Its different in basketball as you have high participation in AAU ball by most ballers to be and the game requires fewer good athlete.

Inner city football programs especially Birmingham have low off season weight and conditioning participation for numerous reasons.

My observation is and I have mentioned before, bigger ( as in to many ) isnt always better.

I believe consolidating the football programs to field 4 or fewer Birmingham teams will put the city of Birmingham on the same/better footing as similar size school systems.

And inner city kids play video game just as much as the kids from the subs, and video games have little impact on athletes no matter where they live, a fact that the athlete play games to relax, as well as to entertain.

A lot of the difference it the quality of the local feeder youth programs.

I know at Clay-Chalkville, the pee-wee, middle, and high school coaches collaborate, and by a kid's senior year, he's run the same offense for about 8 years.

(12-30-2013 01:55 PM)Smaug Wrote:  A lot of the difference it the quality of the local feeder youth programs.

I know at Clay-Chalkville, the pee-wee, middle, and high school coaches collaborate, and by a kid's senior year, he's run the same offense for about 8 years.

I suspect the same thing happens in the Hoover system.

At Jordan, they run the same defense - turn & run after them.

(12-30-2013 01:55 PM)Smaug Wrote:  A lot of the difference it the quality of the local feeder youth programs.

I know at Clay-Chalkville, the pee-wee, middle, and high school coaches collaborate, and by a kid's senior year, he's run the same offense for about 8 years.

I think this plays a huge part of successful high school programs.

(12-30-2013 11:04 AM)rebounder2u Wrote:  The main problem with the inner city vs. sub is there are to many city football programs, which tend to dilute the product on the field. Its different in basketball as you have high participation in AAU ball by most ballers to be and the game requires fewer good athlete.

Inner city football programs especially Birmingham have low off season weight and conditioning participation for numerous reasons.

My observation is and I have mentioned before, bigger ( as in to many ) isnt always better.

I believe consolidating the football programs to field 4 or fewer Birmingham teams will put the city of Birmingham on the same/better footing as similar size school systems.

And inner city kids play video game just as much as the kids from the subs, and video games have little impact on athletes no matter where they live, a fact that the athlete play games to relax, as well as to entertain.

B'ham City has reduced its number of high schools substantially. Banks, Ensley, West End, Glenn, Hayes, Jones Valley and Phillips no longer exist. The principal difference in sports prowess is the money available to be spent on a program. Those who have much funding (public as well as "booster clubs"), win most often due to better facilities and better (more expensive) coaches. Those who have the least funding (public as well as "booster clubs") usually wind up feeding the W-L records of the former. Only in the two or three lowest categories of schools (where there are few, if any, suburban schools) do the rural schools finish well in state playoffs [Reeltown (1A) finished well in state FB playoffs (2012) with an 8th grader as its QB].

Chances are that inner city kids play more, not less, computer games because they are cheaper than some amusement alternatives, and they are relatively safer in neighborhoods where random shootings are more common. Off season conditioning programs at inner city schools have to compete with minimum wage entry level jobs that demand a lot of their student's nonschool time. I had students not attend school if they had to "rest up" for their part time jobs which put money in their pockets right now rather than years down the road as for an education.

and then there's this
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/sports...d=all&_r=0

(01-01-2014 03:29 PM)SunDogII Wrote:  and then there's this
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/sports...d=all&_r=0

Shannon Turley strikes again!