(12-28-2013 11:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Damn. How do I put an entire thread on ignore?

Please do...In fact..Mods!!..Please lock this nonsense.

So your goal is to fill the thread with nonsense so it can be censored.

All you have to do is demonstrate how the Democrats are not the party of racism.

The democrats ARE the party of racism. There are lots of votes and money in Big Racism. It's an industry that should be listed on Wall Street.

I already knew you understood that.

It's interesting how others fight tooth and nail to hold on the notion the GOP somehow traded places with the Democrats and they now have the minority back.

(12-28-2013 11:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Damn. How do I put an entire thread on ignore?

Please do...In fact..Mods!!..Please lock this nonsense.

So your goal is to fill the thread with nonsense so it can be censored.

All you have to do is demonstrate how the Democrats are not the party of racism.

All you have to do is have the guts and honesty to answer Smaug's question.

He's not going to. He's made that abundantly clear.

(12-28-2013 11:43 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Damn. How do I put an entire thread on ignore?

Please do...In fact..Mods!!..Please lock this nonsense.

So your goal is to fill the thread with nonsense so it can be censored.

All you have to do is demonstrate how the Democrats are not the party of racism.

All you have to do is have the guts and honesty to answer Smaug's question.

I already answered it four times. The answer is both.

But lets focus more on what you are doing here. You asked me earlier why minorities overwhelmingly vote for the DNC. The answer is different for different minority groups, but blacks vote for the DNC because the have been fed a lie for generations. The lie you continue to protect.

Ok, ok, ok. Confederate flag waving southerners probably didn't vote for Obama. So what? And over 90% of the blacks did. Now what point were we trying to prove?

(12-28-2013 11:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Ok, ok, ok. Confederate flag waving southerners probably didn't vote for Obama. So what? And over 90% of the blacks did. Now what point were we trying to prove?

Steve...Thanks for answering his question...and the answer to your question is NOTHING. This thread should have ended long ago. Adios Gentlemen

(12-28-2013 11:52 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Ok, ok, ok. Confederate flag waving southerners probably didn't vote for Obama. So what? And over 90% of the blacks did. Now what point were we trying to prove?

Steve...Thanks for answering his question...and the answer to your question is NOTHING. This thread should have ended long ago. Adios Gentlemen

You don't get to decide when discussions end.

(12-28-2013 11:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 10:58 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 10:56 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Smaug has taken a hard turn to the left these days. I'm not even sure it's him at the keyboard.

No I haven't. I'm just going to call bull**** when I see it.

That Democrats used to be the conservative party, and now the Republicans are is patently obvious to everyone in the known universe except oklydoodly here.

No they didn't. There was no such thing as the conservative party in the 1800s. It was founded in 2008. Your argument is based in lies and misconceptions. You follow the liberal narrative used to keep blacks in their camp.

So there wasn't a conservative party prior to 2008?

Barry Goldwater and Newt Gingrich are going to be disappointed to hear that.

Good Lord, you're thick as a brick.

Conservatism is an ideology, not a political party. There is a conservative party USA that was founded in 2008, but not a party that democrats used to belong to in the 1800s. There was no conservative party dominated by democrats before the Republicans took over. How stupid do people have to be to fall for the liberal lie?

You are one big fail.

Are you being willfully foolish? He never said that the conservatives were a political party of the time. There has always been one major party that considered themselves to be conservative and the other liberal.

In the 1800s Democrats were considered conservative. Hell, their local and national conventions were informally called "the conservative convention."

http://www.nytimes.com/1860/06/05/news/m...ained.html

The first Republican Convention of the time was called to "adopt a policy liberal and generous towards others."

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal (it should take you straight to page 32 with the word liberal highlighted, they say other interesting things about the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson).

The platform from their third convention stated: Resolved "That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much wealth, development of resources and increase of power to this nation, the asylum of the oppressed of all nations should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy." (If a Republican said this today, does it make them conservative to you?)

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal

The Conservative National Union (Union Conservatives) only recommended Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/1864/08/29/news/c...idate.html

Republicans were the liberal party of the day.

(12-29-2013 12:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 10:58 PM)Smaug Wrote:  No I haven't. I'm just going to call bull**** when I see it.

That Democrats used to be the conservative party, and now the Republicans are is patently obvious to everyone in the known universe except oklydoodly here.

No they didn't. There was no such thing as the conservative party in the 1800s. It was founded in 2008. Your argument is based in lies and misconceptions. You follow the liberal narrative used to keep blacks in their camp.

So there wasn't a conservative party prior to 2008?

Barry Goldwater and Newt Gingrich are going to be disappointed to hear that.

Good Lord, you're thick as a brick.

Conservatism is an ideology, not a political party. There is a conservative party USA that was founded in 2008, but not a party that democrats used to belong to in the 1800s. There was no conservative party dominated by democrats before the Republicans took over. How stupid do people have to be to fall for the liberal lie?

You are one big fail.

Are you being willfully foolish? He never said that the conservatives were a political party of the time. There has always been one major party that considered themselves to be conservative and the other liberal.

In the 1800s Democrats were considered conservative. Hell, their local and national conventions were informally called "the conservative convention."

http://www.nytimes.com/1860/06/05/news/m...ained.html

The first Republican Convention of the time was called to "adopt a policy liberal and generous towards others."

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal (it should take you straight to page 32 with the word liberal highlighted, they say other interesting things about the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson).

The platform from their third convention stated: Resolved "That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much wealth, development of resources and increase of power to this nation, the asylum of the oppressed of all nations should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy." (If a Republican said this today, does it make them conservative to you?)

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal

The Conservative National Union (Union Conservatives) only recommended Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/1864/08/29/news/c...idate.html

Republicans were the liberal party of the day.

Just stop. There is no way for you to tie the KKK to conservatives or the GOP. If you think the GOP or conservatives are against minorities, and have not helped minorities more than any of the other viable platforms, you deserve all the pain and struggle you get with your racism party.

(12-29-2013 12:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  No they didn't. There was no such thing as the conservative party in the 1800s. It was founded in 2008. Your argument is based in lies and misconceptions. You follow the liberal narrative used to keep blacks in their camp.

So there wasn't a conservative party prior to 2008?

Barry Goldwater and Newt Gingrich are going to be disappointed to hear that.

Good Lord, you're thick as a brick.

Conservatism is an ideology, not a political party. There is a conservative party USA that was founded in 2008, but not a party that democrats used to belong to in the 1800s. There was no conservative party dominated by democrats before the Republicans took over. How stupid do people have to be to fall for the liberal lie?

You are one big fail.

Are you being willfully foolish? He never said that the conservatives were a political party of the time. There has always been one major party that considered themselves to be conservative and the other liberal.

In the 1800s Democrats were considered conservative. Hell, their local and national conventions were informally called "the conservative convention."

http://www.nytimes.com/1860/06/05/news/m...ained.html

The first Republican Convention of the time was called to "adopt a policy liberal and generous towards others."

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal (it should take you straight to page 32 with the word liberal highlighted, they say other interesting things about the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson).

The platform from their third convention stated: Resolved "That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much wealth, development of resources and increase of power to this nation, the asylum of the oppressed of all nations should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy." (If a Republican said this today, does it make them conservative to you?)

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal

The Conservative National Union (Union Conservatives) only recommended Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/1864/08/29/news/c...idate.html

Republicans were the liberal party of the day.

Just stop. There is no way for you to tie the KKK to conservatives or the GOP. If you think the GOP or conservatives are against minorities, and have not helped minorities more than any of the other viable platforms, you deserve all the pain and struggle you get with your racism party.

Focus. This wasn't used to count the GOP amongst the KKK. You claimed in post 286 that the Democrats weren't the conservative party at the time (you were being intentionally thick because you knew what he meant). In post 292 you said that conservatism is an ideology rather than a party and I agree. The democrats were the party with that ideology at the time.

(12-29-2013 12:25 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  So there wasn't a conservative party prior to 2008?

Barry Goldwater and Newt Gingrich are going to be disappointed to hear that.

Good Lord, you're thick as a brick.

Conservatism is an ideology, not a political party. There is a conservative party USA that was founded in 2008, but not a party that democrats used to belong to in the 1800s. There was no conservative party dominated by democrats before the Republicans took over. How stupid do people have to be to fall for the liberal lie?

You are one big fail.

Are you being willfully foolish? He never said that the conservatives were a political party of the time. There has always been one major party that considered themselves to be conservative and the other liberal.

In the 1800s Democrats were considered conservative. Hell, their local and national conventions were informally called "the conservative convention."

http://www.nytimes.com/1860/06/05/news/m...ained.html

The first Republican Convention of the time was called to "adopt a policy liberal and generous towards others."

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal (it should take you straight to page 32 with the word liberal highlighted, they say other interesting things about the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson).

The platform from their third convention stated: Resolved "That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much wealth, development of resources and increase of power to this nation, the asylum of the oppressed of all nations should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy." (If a Republican said this today, does it make them conservative to you?)

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal

The Conservative National Union (Union Conservatives) only recommended Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/1864/08/29/news/c...idate.html

Republicans were the liberal party of the day.

Just stop. There is no way for you to tie the KKK to conservatives or the GOP. If you think the GOP or conservatives are against minorities, and have not helped minorities more than any of the other viable platforms, you deserve all the pain and struggle you get with your racism party.

Focus. This wasn't used to count the GOP amongst the KKK. You claimed in post 286 that the Democrats weren't the conservative party at the time (you were being intentionally thick because you knew what he meant). In post 292 you said that conservatism is an ideology rather than a party and I agree. The democrats were the party with that ideology at the time.

you are using social and fiscal conservatism very loosely.

The Conservative National Union is a organization in the United Kingdom.

LOL the Union Conservatives are for conservatives in unions. I'm sure they did promote conservative democrats. The democrats were the labor union party.

Liberalism is the ideology that has the race component. It's the same ideolog that spawned the NAZI party. Things don't just change like that.

(12-29-2013 12:45 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:25 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Conservatism is an ideology, not a political party. There is a conservative party USA that was founded in 2008, but not a party that democrats used to belong to in the 1800s. There was no conservative party dominated by democrats before the Republicans took over. How stupid do people have to be to fall for the liberal lie?

You are one big fail.

Are you being willfully foolish? He never said that the conservatives were a political party of the time. There has always been one major party that considered themselves to be conservative and the other liberal.

In the 1800s Democrats were considered conservative. Hell, their local and national conventions were informally called "the conservative convention."

http://www.nytimes.com/1860/06/05/news/m...ained.html

The first Republican Convention of the time was called to "adopt a policy liberal and generous towards others."

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal (it should take you straight to page 32 with the word liberal highlighted, they say other interesting things about the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson).

The platform from their third convention stated: Resolved "That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much wealth, development of resources and increase of power to this nation, the asylum of the oppressed of all nations should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy." (If a Republican said this today, does it make them conservative to you?)

https://archive.org/stream/proceedingsof...ch/liberal

The Conservative National Union (Union Conservatives) only recommended Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/1864/08/29/news/c...idate.html

Republicans were the liberal party of the day.

Just stop. There is no way for you to tie the KKK to conservatives or the GOP. If you think the GOP or conservatives are against minorities, and have not helped minorities more than any of the other viable platforms, you deserve all the pain and struggle you get with your racism party.

Focus. This wasn't used to count the GOP amongst the KKK. You claimed in post 286 that the Democrats weren't the conservative party at the time (you were being intentionally thick because you knew what he meant). In post 292 you said that conservatism is an ideology rather than a party and I agree. The democrats were the party with that ideology at the time.

you are using social and fiscal conservatism very loosely.

The Conservative National Union is a organization in the United Kingdom.

LOL the Union Conservatives are for conservatives in unions. I'm sure they did promote conservative democrats. The democrats were the labor union party.

Liberalism is the ideology that has the race component. It's the same ideolog that spawned the NAZI party. Things don't just change like that.

So then why did an organization named the Conservative National Union have it's convention in Chicago and recommend McClellon for the nomination? I didn't actually mention an organization called the Union Conservatives. I used that to show you that these were conservatives in the states of the Union. They didn't have much to do with labour unions.

And the other stuff that you just happened to ignore. What about that? The Republicans made a point to put socially and fiscally liberal things in several items on the platforms and in the speeches.

(12-28-2013 11:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Ok, ok, ok. Confederate flag waving southerners probably didn't vote for Obama. So what? And over 90% of the blacks did. Now what point were we trying to prove?

The point is this:

Democrats were the conservatives in 1860, and now they're not. Both your statements make my point.

It wasn't rocket surgery.

Okey was clinging to this fantasy narrative that the parties didn't switch mantras when it is clear they did. Look, you want to argue that liberal policies (as we currently use the term "liberal") are toxic to minorities, fine. I wouldn't argue. But let's keep the revisionist horseshit to a minimum.

Not much has changed with the Democrat party in the last 100 years. I don't what you guys are spatting about... In real life, I'm a "Democrat". It's the only way the law allows hanging blacks - I have to have my Democrat card on me.

(12-29-2013 09:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 11:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Ok, ok, ok. Confederate flag waving southerners probably didn't vote for Obama. So what? And over 90% of the blacks did. Now what point were we trying to prove?

The point is this:

Democrats were the conservatives in 1860, and now they're not. Both your statements make my point.

It wasn't rocked surgery.

Okey was clinging to this fantasy narrative that the parties didn't switch mantras when it is clear they did. Look, you want to argue that liberal policies (as we currently use the term "liberal") are toxic to minorities, fine. I wouldn't argue. But let's keep the revisionist horseshit to a minimum.

Look Babe, nothing has changed with the left other than they dont hang blacks and white republicans anymore. There was no grand switch. That is the lie and the fantasy you are pushing. The Democrats are the same ole party of racism they have always been. The sooner people start rejecting the party of racism, the sooner race relations start making vast improvements in this country. There is no honest counter argument to that.

Keep saying it. Maybe one day by virtue of your saying it, it will magically be true.

So, are Republicans the more conservative party currently, or not?

I realize you're not good at them, but it's a simple yes or no question.

(12-29-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Keep saying it. Maybe one day by virtue of your saying it, it will magically be true.

So, are Republicans the more conservative party currently, or not?

I realize you're not good at them, but it's a simple yes or no question.

Is this a new question? They are the more conservative party. They've been infiltrated by liberals just like the libertarians. But that has nothing to do with racism.

(12-29-2013 11:45 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Keep saying it. Maybe one day by virtue of your saying it, it will magically be true.

So, are Republicans the more conservative party currently, or not?

I realize you're not good at them, but it's a simple yes or no question.

Is this a new question? They are the more conservative party. They've been infiltrated by liberals just like the libertarians. But that has nothing to do with racism.

Thank you. I was beginning to wonder if you could manage it.

Now, try to stay with me here.

If conservative Democrats were the racists 150 years ago, why do you think there aren't racists in the conservative Republican party?

(12-29-2013 11:50 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:45 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Keep saying it. Maybe one day by virtue of your saying it, it will magically be true.

So, are Republicans the more conservative party currently, or not?

I realize you're not good at them, but it's a simple yes or no question.

Is this a new question? They are the more conservative party. They've been infiltrated by liberals just like the libertarians. But that has nothing to do with racism.

Thank you. I was beginning to wonder if you could manage it.

Now, try to stay with me here.

If conservative Democrats were the racists 150 years ago, why do you think there aren't racists in the conservative Republican party?

Because Republicans were never liberals and conservatism is not a moniker for racism.

(12-29-2013 11:51 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:50 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:45 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Keep saying it. Maybe one day by virtue of your saying it, it will magically be true.

So, are Republicans the more conservative party currently, or not?

I realize you're not good at them, but it's a simple yes or no question.

Is this a new question? They are the more conservative party. They've been infiltrated by liberals just like the libertarians. But that has nothing to do with racism.

Thank you. I was beginning to wonder if you could manage it.

Now, try to stay with me here.

If conservative Democrats were the racists 150 years ago, why do you think there aren't racists in the conservative Republican party?

Because Republicans were never liberals and conservatism is not a moniker for racism.

Honest Abe wasn't liberal?

And conservatism not a moniker for racism? Don't tell that to Alexander Stephens.