Steve Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=intLyCyXu38

Kilpatrick is a fine player, but he's not in Logan's league. Logan could take over games. He hit big shot after big shot in his career, whether that be against Memphis, Marquette, or whomever.

Stats don't tell the entire story as all things aren't equal when you're comparing players who weren't playing on the same team. Not to mention the rule changes that have been implemented over the years. If this season was Logan's senior year, he'd have been at the FT line about a billion more times a game. Slight exaggeration, but defenders were all over him every single time he touched the ball, yet he still produced. :)

(12-27-2013 12:04 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Steve Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=intLyCyXu38

The word that comes to mind: smooth.

(12-27-2013 12:04 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Steve Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=intLyCyXu38

you forget how incredibly athletic donald was. i'd volunteer for a torture session if we could get a semblance of his talent on this year's team

The BJ Grove mention reminded me of how disappointing his career was. He had great size/ability, showed flashes, but refused to put in the work to make himself good, let alone great. Laziest player in Cincinnati Basketball History?

(12-27-2013 01:35 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  The BJ Grove mention reminded me of how disappointing his career was. He had great size/ability, showed flashes, but refused to put in the work to make himself good, let alone great. Laziest player in Cincinnati Basketball History?

robert whaley?

At least Whaley spent more time on the court whining than in the buffet line.

Edit: I just checked in on Whaley and saw that he used the fake name "Kareem Johnson" when he was being questioned by cops back in the day. What a great teammate!

(12-27-2013 01:42 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  At least Whaley spent more time on the court whining than in the buffet line.

he's spent more time in court though. imagine how much weed bj coulda shoved up his ass

(12-27-2013 01:42 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  At least Whaley spent more time on the court whining than in the buffet line.

The best place to spot Grove on campus was at the TUC McDonald's. He did the Super Size Me diet before the filmmaker guy.

(12-26-2013 07:49 PM)pobearman Wrote:  I think SK is better than Logan. Bigger, faster, more skilled. Played against much tougher competition. Against better competition I remember Logan having trouble.

You have to love message boards. I should have displayed link after link what opposing COACHES *and* PLAYERS said about playing against the guy that SK "is better than".

I am glad you included the word "think". That is the only reason why I didn't include the links. If you watched Logan's 4yrs. and SK's 4 yrs. here and you still came up with what you said AND you actually believe that....then there are no amount of links or video that will change your thinking.

SK is a fine player. For that, there is no doubt. Like I said earlier in the season, actually before the season started, if all of UC's season this season depend totally on SK....fans - most fans will be disappointed. He is a fine player but he is not a player IMO (and others) that you want to pin your March hopes on or to have the ball tossed to you at one end of the court and dribble the length down the sideline and drive right between three people into the lane and kiss it three times off of the rim in the final game of the regular season in a do or die scenario. We have already watched that scenario happen. The player that delivered that memory (and too many numerous others to count) went by the name Steve Logan.

Steve Logan was a second round draft pick. He was probably a little better than SK, but he was not the second coming by any means. He had some significant limitations, just as SK does.

(12-26-2013 10:49 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 07:49 PM)pobearman Wrote:  I think SK is better than Logan. Bigger, faster, more skilled. Played against much tougher competition. Against better competition I remember Logan having trouble.

I nearly spit my beer out reading your post

One of the things you have to remember is that he played with great talent around him. He had several other guys around him averaging double digit points each year. If he played with the surrounding cast SK had Logan would have had to do more and would averaged another 10 pts a game.

Another factor that would make me take Logan over SK: if the cats needed a three to tie or win the game with little to no time on the clock Logan gets the ball over SK ever time.

Ha! I didn't see all the other posts after I first responded. Glad to see I'm not the only one who had hallucinated throughout Logan's tenure at UC.

(12-27-2013 12:04 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Steve Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=intLyCyXu38

That video is sickkkkkkk!!! Thanks for sharing.

Here is are some more good videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6bUwRmRGPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl-SKVtoJCo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3-ytUGi0AE

For those that think Cronin's teams are all athletes, they really pail in comparison to the athletes that Huggins' had. Jesus those teams had athletic freaks at every position.

After watching that clip, it's obvious that Logan was much much better at creating his own shot than SK. SK excels as a spot up shooter and Logan was better with the ball in his hands. It's still amazing that a kid his size was able to get his shot off one on one let alone make it with such precision.

The thing that comes to mind when watching Logan is how under control he was. Like he was playing in slow motion, and could see everything around him develop.

(12-27-2013 04:28 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Here is are some more good videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6bUwRmRGPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl-SKVtoJCo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3-ytUGi0AE

For those that think Cronin's teams are all athletes, they really pail in comparison to the athletes that Huggins' had. Jesus those teams had athletic freaks at every position.

There aren't many anywhere that come close to the athleticism of DerMarr Johnson. He could have been a great star in the NBA. He was never the same when he did come back after the 02-03 season. I think he is still playing ball overseas though.

(12-27-2013 03:31 PM)Overrated Wrote:  Steve Logan was a second round draft pick. He was probably a little better than SK, but he was not the second coming by any means. He had some significant limitations, just as SK does.

Logan was a 2nd round pick because of his height. A lot of elite college players, football and basketball, just don't translate to the next level. Doesn't change the fact that they were dominant in college.

The thought of a 6'4 Logan has me drooling.

(12-27-2013 07:30 PM)subflea Wrote:  There aren't many anywhere that come close to the athleticism of DerMarr Johnson. He could have been a great star in the NBA. He was never the same when he did come back after the 02-03 season. I think he is still playing ball overseas though.

Agreed. He showed flashes and it was only a matter of time before he developed into a good NBA player. Hell, the fact that he was able to come back and still play at a professional level was impressive in and of itself. I just checked and he played in South America the past year.

Love Sk, but please don't ever say he was in Logan's league again. Logan's junior and senior years were spectacular. his freshman year he was playing on probably the best team since 2000 to not win the championship. When logan became "the guy" he absolutely excelled in that roll. just a joy to watch for 4 years. I agree that his number should be retired.

(12-27-2013 08:44 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 03:31 PM)Overrated Wrote:  Steve Logan was a second round draft pick. He was probably a little better than SK, but he was not the second coming by any means. He had some significant limitations, just as SK does.

Logan was a 2nd round pick because of his height. A lot of elite college players, football and basketball, just don't translate to the next level. Doesn't change the fact that they were dominant in college.

The thought of a 6'4 Logan has me drooling.

A great college player that doesn't translate to the NBA because of limitations kinda sounds like SK.

Also, Logan's athleticism was also a weakness. It wasn't just lack of height.