Personally...I am not much on gay adoption. I prefer that traditional families be the first choice for adoption. If the damn adoption system made it easier for families to adopt children without delving into every damn aspect of their lives and making them pay a ransom for the child? Many traditional families would be more open to adopting kids. I dragged my wife out of a introductory meeting in Greensboro of the Childrens Home Society. No way in hell was I going to pay 15 grand and submit myself to constant interrogation just to give a child a good home. No way. The adoption system is totally F'cked up and mostly just lines the pockets of the agencies and bureaucrats. The background checks could be done pretty much by contacting the prospective parents friends and neighbors and associates with the aide of a some type of PI agency. A simple financial check and criminal check?...and done.

(12-16-2013 05:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Personally...I am not much on gay adoption. I prefer that traditional families be the first choice for adoption. If the damn adoption system made it easier for families to adopt children without delving into every damn aspect of their lives and making them pay a ransom for the child? Many traditional families would be more open to adopting kids. I dragged my wife out of a introductory meeting in Greensboro of the Childrens Home Society. No way in hell was I going to pay 15 grand and submit myself to constant interrogation just to give a child a good home. No way. The adoption system is totally F'cked up and mostly just lines the pockets of the agencies and bureaucrats. The background checks could be done pretty much by contacting the prospective parents friends and neighbors and associates with the aide of a some type of PI agency. A simple financial check and criminal check?...and done.

And this is exactly what the pro-life crowd needs to be pushing. I'd prefer a straight couple to a gay couple, but I'd prefer a gay couple way, way before no adoption or an abortion.

(12-13-2013 11:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 10:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  But the Tea Party was born out of lack of accountability in the Bush presidency. TARP was the straw that broke the camel's back leading to this new conservative movement.

The Tea party was there before TARP... it was there in 2004 (Ron Paul was a big supporter of them in that election, if I remember correctly).

I like their ideals of accountability in the government. They are still also for overspending on defense and entering areas that they should not be concerned with (anti-gay rights, etc.). Stick with fixing our financial issues.

wrong... wrong, wrong.

The first TEA party gathering was AFTER TARP passed.

I hate using wikipedia... but I will only in this instance

Quote:The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008

Quote:He {Rick Sanatelli} is also credited with being a catalyst in the early formation of the Tea Party movement via a statement he made on February 19, 2009 {was done on-air on CNBC}

(Note that this was the catalyst for the first gatherings)

TEA party has NO immediate interest in foreign policy, social issues, etc. They are NOT opposed to the reduction of costs in the defense dept if it will lower the govt spending.

MSNBC grabbed someone who basically tried to say on-air that the TEA party was "pro-Israel in their foreign policy", when the very next day, a couple of TEA Party express PAC members dared MSNBC to find one quote that was made by Tea Party representatives about Foreign policy. They couldn't find one.

They've said the same thing about social programs, accusing the Tea Party of taking platform stances, when the ONLY stance they took was. .oh wait, they haven't. Now individuals may be supporters of social conservative stances, but as a whole, it doesnt' fly

That's the problem those who want to go after the TEA party voters; if they can't use name-calling, they try to make up facts about the beliefs of TEA-party supporters and then pray it sticks.

Check out TeaParty.org, Saint Fan. It specifically states September 2004, and it specifically mentions the traditional family values.

What is TeaParty.org? Looks like an unrelated Washington DC group that hit the jackpot on a godaddy registration. What we know as the Tea Party was a reaction to Tarp and it took off with a Glen Beck rally that drew 500k. I know because my wife booked a trip to DC that weekend no knowing and we were stuck with a 8 month old in a stroller.

Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

In a perfect world.

There's a lot more to it than just what other kids say.

(12-17-2013 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

The Tea Party was born out of Ron Paul's 2008 campaign. We were throwing chests into Boston Harbor (and other bodies of water all over the country) marked "IRS" "Iraq War" "Afghanistan War" "Taxes" "Regulation" etc in 2007. The more conservative "traditional Republicans" were looking for some way to capture the energy all the Ron Paul people had. Their solution was to co-opt the tea party aspect of Ron Paul's campaign but gradually drive out libertarian social issues. And they've done just that. Here's some of the classics from the Ron Paul events in '07 .... sadly the website teaparty07.com is no longer active but you can look up its history if you'd like within ICANN.

Nice photoshopping. The crystal blue water gives it away.

(12-17-2013 11:43 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

That is not true at all. Kids act out human nature and stages of development. Sadly, teasing and ridicule is a natural phenomenon that occurs in childhood.

(12-16-2013 07:12 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 11:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 10:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  But the Tea Party was born out of lack of accountability in the Bush presidency. TARP was the straw that broke the camel's back leading to this new conservative movement.

The Tea party was there before TARP... it was there in 2004 (Ron Paul was a big supporter of them in that election, if I remember correctly).

I like their ideals of accountability in the government. They are still also for overspending on defense and entering areas that they should not be concerned with (anti-gay rights, etc.). Stick with fixing our financial issues.

wrong... wrong, wrong.

The first TEA party gathering was AFTER TARP passed.

I hate using wikipedia... but I will only in this instance

Quote:The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008

Quote:He {Rick Sanatelli} is also credited with being a catalyst in the early formation of the Tea Party movement via a statement he made on February 19, 2009 {was done on-air on CNBC}

(Note that this was the catalyst for the first gatherings)

TEA party has NO immediate interest in foreign policy, social issues, etc. They are NOT opposed to the reduction of costs in the defense dept if it will lower the govt spending.

MSNBC grabbed someone who basically tried to say on-air that the TEA party was "pro-Israel in their foreign policy", when the very next day, a couple of TEA Party express PAC members dared MSNBC to find one quote that was made by Tea Party representatives about Foreign policy. They couldn't find one.

They've said the same thing about social programs, accusing the Tea Party of taking platform stances, when the ONLY stance they took was. .oh wait, they haven't. Now individuals may be supporters of social conservative stances, but as a whole, it doesnt' fly

That's the problem those who want to go after the TEA party voters; if they can't use name-calling, they try to make up facts about the beliefs of TEA-party supporters and then pray it sticks.

Part of the problem for the TP movement is that various individuals purport to speak for it. I am always suspicious of anybody who claims that they represent the TP.

(12-17-2013 11:43 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

Lol. How many kids do you have?

Did you have friends in elementary school? They were all saints? Fantasyland.

(12-17-2013 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:43 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

Lol. How many kids do you have?

Did you have friends in elementary school? They were all saints? Fantasyland.

If only kids did what they were taught as is being asserted. That would make my job a whole lot easier.

(12-17-2013 11:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The Tea Party was born out of Ron Paul's 2008 campaign. We were throwing chests into Boston Harbor (and other bodies of water all over the country) marked "IRS" "Iraq War" "Afghanistan War" "Taxes" "Regulation" etc in 2007. The more conservative "traditional Republicans" were looking for some way to capture the energy all the Ron Paul people had. Their solution was to co-opt the tea party aspect of Ron Paul's campaign but gradually drive out libertarian social issues. And they've done just that. Here's some of the classics from the Ron Paul events in '07 .... sadly the website teaparty07.com is no longer active but you can look up its history if you'd like within ICANN.

GTS.. you'll have to show me stories of these chests in multiple locations. Because I remember _zero_ about these incidents during Ron Paul's campaign on any news outlets anywhere.

(12-17-2013 11:53 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:43 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

That is not true at all. Kids act out human nature and stages of development. Sadly, teasing and ridicule is a natural phenomenon that occurs in childhood.

Did you learn that from a developmental psychologist, or are you just making that up?

I'll give you a hint: genetics play a large role in aggression, but environment plays a larger role.

(12-17-2013 06:30 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:53 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:43 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:28 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Y'all are just joking, right?

"I don't want to allow gay adoption because my ignorant children will ridicule them."

Maybe you should just teach your kids to only worry about things that affect them. The gender of a classmate's parents doesn't remotely touch their life.

Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

That is not true at all. Kids act out human nature and stages of development. Sadly, teasing and ridicule is a natural phenomenon that occurs in childhood.

Did you learn that from a developmental psychologist, or are you just making that up?

I'll give you a hint: genetics play a large role in aggression, but environment plays a larger role.

How can you breath with your head so far up there? Humans are animals with animal instincts. Kids ridicule and tease because they are developing their social roles - which leads to mating competition around adolescence. It's not politically correct like you want it to be. It just is. This mechanism is designed to make sure the strongest genes mate with the strongest genes. This is why we have social cliques and classes. I am not saying it is fair, right or wrong. It just is.

It means that in many ways were are still very primitive. Teaching tolerance definitely creates a better environment, but it does not stamp out human nature.

Why do liberals always think they can play God?

(12-17-2013 07:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 06:30 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:53 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:43 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Do you have kids? That theory might work for high school upper classmen, but elementary school kids are mean and middle school through about 10th grade boys are borderline evil.

Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

That is not true at all. Kids act out human nature and stages of development. Sadly, teasing and ridicule is a natural phenomenon that occurs in childhood.

Did you learn that from a developmental psychologist, or are you just making that up?

I'll give you a hint: genetics play a large role in aggression, but environment plays a larger role.

How can you breath with your head so far up there? Humans are animals with animal instincts. Kids ridicule and tease because they are developing their social roles - which leads to mating competition around adolescence. It's not politically correct like you want it to be. It just is. This mechanism is designed to make sure the strongest genes mate with the strongest genes. This is why we have social cliques and classes. I am not saying it is fair, right or wrong. It just is.

It means that in many ways were are still very primitive. Teaching tolerance definitely creates a better environment, but it does not stamp out human nature.

Why do liberals always think they can play God?

Is your opinion based on evidence? Have you reviewed the literature on the effectiveness of intervention techniques on bullying? You sound very certain of your opinion, and I'd like to know where it came from.

(12-17-2013 07:13 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 07:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 06:30 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:53 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-17-2013 11:43 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Kids do what they're taught. They have to be taught intolerance.

That is not true at all. Kids act out human nature and stages of development. Sadly, teasing and ridicule is a natural phenomenon that occurs in childhood.

Did you learn that from a developmental psychologist, or are you just making that up?

I'll give you a hint: genetics play a large role in aggression, but environment plays a larger role.

How can you breath with your head so far up there? Humans are animals with animal instincts. Kids ridicule and tease because they are developing their social roles - which leads to mating competition around adolescence. It's not politically correct like you want it to be. It just is. This mechanism is designed to make sure the strongest genes mate with the strongest genes. This is why we have social cliques and classes. I am not saying it is fair, right or wrong. It just is.

It means that in many ways were are still very primitive. Teaching tolerance definitely creates a better environment, but it does not stamp out human nature.

Why do liberals always think they can play God?

Is your opinion based on evidence? Have you reviewed the literature on the effectiveness of intervention techniques on bullying? You sound very certain of your opinion, and I'd like to know where it came from.

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