(12-04-2013 09:31 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 09:18 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Well the real question is if the B1G signs at least half it's TV rights over to Fox does this continue? I say no. Enjoy it while you can guys!

I think the challenge will continue regardless of what occurs. There's about a 99.9% chance that the Big Ten will still have a fairly deep relationship with ESPN and it has become a signature non-conference event. Everyone else has attempted to duplicate it without any real success, so that's something that you don't give up easily. Whatever you want to say about the Big Ten and their relationships with other conferences, Delany doesn't shy away from high profile events like the ACC-Big Ten Challenge or signing the league up to a tough bowl schedule with a lot of SEC teams (even if they're supposedly enemies off-the-field).

You think Fox will be okay just letting ESPN get all of those games while they are paying the B1G just as much as ESPN? Either both networks are airing games or it stops happening. It's not really up to Delaney if he wants to spread out the TV package and make as much money as possible. That's what he cares about, not some silly basketball challenge.

(12-04-2013 06:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 09:31 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 09:18 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Well the real question is if the B1G signs at least half it's TV rights over to Fox does this continue? I say no. Enjoy it while you can guys!

I think the challenge will continue regardless of what occurs. There's about a 99.9% chance that the Big Ten will still have a fairly deep relationship with ESPN and it has become a signature non-conference event. Everyone else has attempted to duplicate it without any real success, so that's something that you don't give up easily. Whatever you want to say about the Big Ten and their relationships with other conferences, Delany doesn't shy away from high profile events like the ACC-Big Ten Challenge or signing the league up to a tough bowl schedule with a lot of SEC teams (even if they're supposedly enemies off-the-field).

You think Fox will be okay just letting ESPN get all of those games while they are paying the B1G just as much as ESPN? Either both networks are airing games or it stops happening. It's not really up to Delaney if he wants to spread out the TV package and make as much money as possible. That's what he cares about, not some silly basketball challenge.

It depends on how the basketball rights end up divided. Right now Fox has got none of them (outside of indirectly through what the Big Ten Network gets). As long as ESPN holds onto some, they'll almost certainly keep these as they are the common thread arranging them between the 2 conferences. If Fox gets more rights, they'll pay for them, but ESPN will probably keep paying for these. Since I can't see Fox buying up all the basketball rights on a broad scale, it shouldn't be an issue.

(12-04-2013 04:29 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 03:30 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 03:16 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 11:30 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 11:12 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  I also am predicting a tie.

Mark - the orange looked good last night, very good. It still amazes me how Crean can come from the Big East and not understand how to atleast compete against Syracuse's zone. Especially after getting schooled by Boeheim, what, 8 or 9 months ago?

Congrats on the win.

the problem with crean is that he cant even coach basic high-school level counters to the zone.

hes like a world war one general who decides to use calvary to counter trench warfare

Yes this has concerned me as an Indiana Fan the last 2 years. It's not just Cuse but other teams that play zone they struggle. I predict a tie but when Louisville comes in next year it tilts the advantage towards ACC. I think Kansas and UCONN could help the BIG in BBall but not in FBall.

Dead on, and this is how I think it shakes out.

I like our midwest/plains roots, but if further consolidation takes place the B1G would be a logical landing spot for us, and we'd certainly enjoy being part of a challenge like this one.

If I was the decision maker I would take Kansas in a heartbeat. They have been my # 1 choice for a long time. Allen Field House with all it's historical memorabilia, I'm not sure it gets better than that. Duke and IU are great venues too but Kansas is a special basketball meca!

(12-04-2013 07:04 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 06:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 09:31 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 09:18 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Well the real question is if the B1G signs at least half it's TV rights over to Fox does this continue? I say no. Enjoy it while you can guys!

I think the challenge will continue regardless of what occurs. There's about a 99.9% chance that the Big Ten will still have a fairly deep relationship with ESPN and it has become a signature non-conference event. Everyone else has attempted to duplicate it without any real success, so that's something that you don't give up easily. Whatever you want to say about the Big Ten and their relationships with other conferences, Delany doesn't shy away from high profile events like the ACC-Big Ten Challenge or signing the league up to a tough bowl schedule with a lot of SEC teams (even if they're supposedly enemies off-the-field).

You think Fox will be okay just letting ESPN get all of those games while they are paying the B1G just as much as ESPN? Either both networks are airing games or it stops happening. It's not really up to Delaney if he wants to spread out the TV package and make as much money as possible. That's what he cares about, not some silly basketball challenge.

It depends on how the basketball rights end up divided. Right now Fox has got none of them (outside of indirectly through what the Big Ten Network gets). As long as ESPN holds onto some, they'll almost certainly keep these as they are the common thread arranging them between the 2 conferences. If Fox gets more rights, they'll pay for them, but ESPN will probably keep paying for these. Since I can't see Fox buying up all the basketball rights on a broad scale, it shouldn't be an issue.

The issue is if the B1G split their rights up like most are suspecting they will do to maximize their TV payout then why in the world would Fox just let ESPN set up and get top quality BBall match ups while they get nothing like that while paying say the same (Theoretically)? ESPN would have to concede on a few things for it to even be considered by Fox. Prob most of the other top quality B1G OOC games. ESPN might not be willing to do that for this challenge.

Ends in a 6-6 tie

The Big Ten is so overrated! They can't win any big games! They cant even beat out the ACC!

A good watch.

The should play 11 or 13 games so someone gets bragging rights.

The ACC was 6-5 and the B1G was 6-7. Maryland counts for the B1G.

(12-05-2013 12:14 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC was 6-5 and the B1G was 6-7. Maryland counts for the B1G.

Nice try, but Wrong. Maryland is still ACC

(12-04-2013 09:45 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The issue is if the B1G split their rights up like most are suspecting they will do to maximize their TV payout then why in the world would Fox just let ESPN set up and get top quality BBall match ups while they get nothing like that while paying say the same (Theoretically)? ESPN would have to concede on a few things for it to even be considered by Fox. Prob most of the other top quality B1G OOC games. ESPN might not be willing to do that for this challenge.

With 2 new teams, the Big has 18 more conference games to sell and 14-16 more non-conference games, one of which will be occupied as an additional BIG/ACC Challenge home game. If the BTN doesn't need all of the new programming, and ESPN won't carry all of these games, then the BIG can split the rights between ESPN and Fox.

As for the challenge, Fox has BE, BXII and Pac games already. BIG can just schedule another challenge on Fox against a Fox conference. It might take some logistics, but it would solve the problem.

(12-05-2013 12:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big Ten is so overrated! They can't win any big games! They cant even beat out the ACC!

Syracuse over Indiana by 17
North Carolina over Michigan State by 14
Duke over Michigan by 10

6-6 .... ACC won the first 10 but hasn't won for 5 years now.

(12-05-2013 01:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  6-6 .... ACC won the first 10 but hasn't won for 5 years now.

Wait until next year when they get Maryland and Rutgers.

I miss the ACC - Big East challenge.

(12-05-2013 01:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  6-6 .... ACC won the first 10 but hasn't won for 5 years now.

But they haven't lost in two of those five either. So 10-3-2 overall.

I'll be very surprised if next year any of the BiG's Top 4 beat any of the ACC's Top 4. Wiscy will probably beat whatever team is deemed the ACC's #5 (probably Pitt or ND) and then the rest will split along who has home court advantage.

Cheers,
Neil

I wouldn't mind a mini-ACC/BE challenge being developed.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-05-2013 01:04 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big Ten is so overrated! They can't win any big games! They cant even beat out the ACC!

Syracuse over Indiana by 17
North Carolina over Michigan State by 14
Duke over Michigan by 10

The Big Ten is the better all around basketball conference. Yes, your Elite squads showed up big. That is all you have in the ACC though. The rest, not so much.

(12-05-2013 03:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:04 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big Ten is so overrated! They can't win any big games! They cant even beat out the ACC!

Syracuse over Indiana by 17
North Carolina over Michigan State by 14
Duke over Michigan by 10

The Big Ten is the better all around basketball conference. Yes, your Elite squads showed up big. That is all you have in the ACC though. The rest, not so much.

Cool...so the B1G can get a few more teams in the NCAA tourney but the ACC elite teams will still be playing the 2nd weekend.

Wait till you get Rutgers...Maryland didn't look too hot either but at least they are a "name" team in Hoops.

(12-05-2013 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 03:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:04 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big Ten is so overrated! They can't win any big games! They cant even beat out the ACC!

Syracuse over Indiana by 17
North Carolina over Michigan State by 14
Duke over Michigan by 10

The Big Ten is the better all around basketball conference. Yes, your Elite squads showed up big. That is all you have in the ACC though. The rest, not so much.

Cool...so the B1G can get a few more teams in the NCAA tourney but the ACC elite teams will still be playing the 2nd weekend.

And instead of winning Big Ten vs ACC challenges, you will instead just quote the scores of three of the 12 match ups.

Also, the Big Ten had teams go deep in the Tournament. If you want to trade barbs, at least do so with the truth. Otherwise you just look like a hack that makes things up.

(12-05-2013 03:15 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:04 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big Ten is so overrated! They can't win any big games! They cant even beat out the ACC!

Syracuse over Indiana by 17
North Carolina over Michigan State by 14
Duke over Michigan by 10

The Big Ten is the better all around basketball conference. Yes, your Elite squads showed up big. That is all you have in the ACC though. The rest, not so much.

Both conferences are great BBall conferences. Last year it seemed are top teams were stronger but are middle and lower teams got beat by ACC. This year our top teams struggled against ACC but our middle and lower teams saved our goose. Wow I was really surprised to see how much Nebraska Fans have embraced their team and their new arena is impressive. The improvement in play and talent is night and day from when they first entered league. Penn State is improving but just doesn't feel like their fans are bought in.