Was just listening to a discussion on why we should "scrap the constitution" as it is impeding our further progress. B/t that and the segment they had on mainly championing ethanol I am annoyed.

Yet you will still find folks on this board that will argue that NPR is not left leaning.

The only ones who keep wanting to change or scrap the Constitution are those who feel constrained by it. It won't allow them to do what they want. You don't usually hear anybody on the right wanting to change the Constitution.

(12-03-2013 05:47 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Yet you will still find folks on this board that will argue that NPR is not left leaning.

The only ones who keep wanting to change or scrap the Constitution are those who feel constrained by it. It won't allow them to do what they want. You don't usually hear anybody on the right wanting to change the Constitution.

Absolute nonsense.

OK, littleblue then give me some examples of your assertion with links.

A lot of folks on the left don't like the Constitution, and some on the right as well, because it prevents them from doing some of the off-the-wall batshit crazy things they'd like to do.

(12-03-2013 05:47 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Yet you will still find folks on this board that will argue that NPR is not left leaning.

The only ones who keep wanting to change or scrap the Constitution are those who feel constrained by it. It won't allow them to do what they want. You don't usually hear anybody on the right wanting to change the Constitution.

You guys have tons of taxpayer subsidized radio and tv licenses. The taxpayers even paid them to upgrade to digital tv. How many religious broadcast licencese in your city. And pretty much every one of them delves into right wing politics.

You made a funny play on my screen name, how cute.
Do I really need to give links to Reps wanting to repeal the 14th and 17th amendments? How about an amendment outlawing gay marriage? An amendment outlawing flag burning?
If you need more, I am sure you can find them as they really aren't that hard to find, (google is pretty easy to use) but do your own research, the right wants to make plenty of changes to the Constitution.

I don't know of any conservatives who want to rescind (scrap) the constitution and start over, giving the federal government unlimited power. There are lots of libs who want that.

(12-03-2013 08:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I don't know of any conservatives who want to rescind (scrap) the constitution and start over, giving the federal government unlimited power. There are lots of libs who want that.

And they are idiots.

(12-03-2013 07:48 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  You made a funny play on my screen name, how cute.
Do I really need to give links to Reps wanting to repeal the 14th and 17th amendments? How about an amendment outlawing gay marriage? An amendment outlawing flag burning?
If you need more, I am sure you can find them as they really aren't that hard to find, (google is pretty easy to use) but do your own research, the right wants to make plenty of changes to the Constitution.

You're comparing the repeal of an amendment as "scrapping and starting over again"..

(12-03-2013 08:34 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 07:48 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  You made a funny play on my screen name, how cute.
Do I really need to give links to Reps wanting to repeal the 14th and 17th amendments? How about an amendment outlawing gay marriage? An amendment outlawing flag burning?
If you need more, I am sure you can find them as they really aren't that hard to find, (google is pretty easy to use) but do your own research, the right wants to make plenty of changes to the Constitution.

You're comparing the repeal of an amendment as "scrapping and starting over again"..

Actually I didn't compare the two at all. MileHigh, whether intentionally or not, did that. I was just correcting him.

I'm a conservative and while I'm generally a fan of the constitution, I'd be in favor of scrapping it for something more like the articles of confederation. Anything that reduces the overreach of federal power sounds good to me.

(12-03-2013 07:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  A lot of folks on the left don't like the Constitution, and some on the right as well, because it prevents them from doing some of the off-the-wall batshit crazy things they'd like to do.

I totally agree...but.. The problem is...It has failed to stop the bat **** crazy things that both gangs have wanted...over and over and over. It has now become just an annoyance to those in power. The evidence is overwhelming to support my claim.

I love the document and I would like to see it evolve some to fit our time and paradigm....but...I know damn well it would be MORE of a failure than it is now if allowed to do so. I shudder to think what the lunatic fringe in Washington would come up with if given the chance.

The Constitution is our best and only hope until we decide either live by it...or evolve peacefully to a new paradigm without it. That evolution would be better served slowly and with thoughtful diligence by leaders working together to move forward for everyone's well being. I predict though... it will come quickly and with violent consequences...as it did before. We are living on borrowed time. The hand writing is on the wall. Prepare for the worse.

The Constitution isn't stopping the libs from radically transforming America right now. They just ignore it.

I don't see why they want to scrap it.

(12-03-2013 11:14 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Constitution isn't stopping the libs from radically transforming America right now. They just ignore it.

I don't see why they want to scrap it.

It is merely a speed bump not a barrier to either gang and their ambitions.

(12-03-2013 07:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 05:47 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Yet you will still find folks on this board that will argue that NPR is not left leaning.

The only ones who keep wanting to change or scrap the Constitution are those who feel constrained by it. It won't allow them to do what they want. You don't usually hear anybody on the right wanting to change the Constitution.

You guys have tons of taxpayer subsidized radio and tv licenses. The taxpayers even paid them to upgrade to digital tv. How many religious broadcast licencese in your city. And pretty much every one of them delves into right wing politics.

Once again you have tom throwing out a red herring, trying to deflect from the conversation at hand. It's cliche with her. I suspect it works w/ her friends at the bar, b/c they aren't very smart, and they're just there for the freebies.

(12-03-2013 06:41 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 05:47 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Yet you will still find folks on this board that will argue that NPR is not left leaning.

The only ones who keep wanting to change or scrap the Constitution are those who feel constrained by it. It won't allow them to do what they want. You don't usually hear anybody on the right wanting to change the Constitution.

Absolute nonsense.

I know, right. I haven't seen any of the righties champion for changing the Constitution. Hey GTS, how many of those amendments did you want to change/eliminate again?

(12-04-2013 01:35 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 06:41 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 05:47 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Yet you will still find folks on this board that will argue that NPR is not left leaning.

The only ones who keep wanting to change or scrap the Constitution are those who feel constrained by it. It won't allow them to do what they want. You don't usually hear anybody on the right wanting to change the Constitution.

Absolute nonsense.

I know, right. I haven't seen any of the righties champion for changing the Constitution. Hey GTS, how many of those amendments did you want to change/eliminate again?

Actually, there are quite a few on here that I'm betting would be in favor of adding a balanced budget/spending amendment. It would have to get proposed and voted on by 2/3 of the states - but it has been done before.....so there is one right there.

Yeah, my comment was more about those who want to SCRAP the Constitution. Changing it by amending it following the prescribed rules for doing so is not something I have a problem with. So, yeah, I was wrong on my comment about the right not wanting to CHANGE (amend) it. I'll borrow the lib defense. I 'mis-spoke.' Or mis-wrote.

As long as changing the Constitution is done by the rules. The current crop of radical dems in charge don't follow the Constitution but they also don't follow the procedures and rules that are supposed to be in place. Congress has abdicated their authority by doing and saying nothing when the Executive branch has grabbed their power or gone around them by executive order. They have just given their power away.

Let's see, which Supreme Court judge said she wouldn't advise countries planning on writing a Constitution to use ours as a template? Ginsburg. Which ideological side is she on? We all know.

I agree with Fo that both sides have long ago abandoned following the Constitution and that is leading us into very dangerous territory. But, I'd say that the democrats have been the worst offenders. Can you say 'nuclear option?' What they have done is turned us towards more of a parliamentary system where the opposition is never consulted or heard when policy decisions are made.

(12-04-2013 05:35 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Yeah, my comment was more about those who want to SCRAP the Constitution. Changing it by amending it following the prescribed rules for doing so is not something I have a problem with. So, yeah, I was wrong on my comment about the right not wanting to CHANGE (amend) it. I'll borrow the lib defense. I 'mis-spoke.' Or mis-wrote.

As long as changing the Constitution is done by the rules. The current crop of radical dems in charge don't follow the Constitution but they also don't follow the procedures and rules that are supposed to be in place. Congress has abdicated their authority by doing and saying nothing when the Executive branch has grabbed their power or gone around them by executive order. They have just given their power away.

Let's see, which Supreme Court judge said she wouldn't advise countries planning on writing a Constitution to use ours as a template? Ginsburg. Which ideological side is she on? We all know.

I agree with Fo that both sides have long ago abandoned following the Constitution and that is leading us into very dangerous territory. But, I'd say that the democrats have been the worst offenders. Can you say 'nuclear option?' What they have done is turned us towards more of a parliamentary system where the opposition is never consulted or heard when policy decisions are made.

Then lets just do it. We can have a no confidence vote whenever someone sneezes the wrong direction and vote our PM out. Make the Senate the House of Lords, they often act as if they are anyway and our House, the Commons. Might actually get something done around here.