(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

I was a nervous wreck. LSU really exposed Manziel last week. I agree with you in that I really get tired of the experts running down teams because of their schedules. You just go out and play your schedule. You can't control how good the other team is, or how many injuries they have. FSU gets the same rap in the ACC. I think FSU-OSU might be a better game than Alabama.

(12-01-2013 02:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

you may want to stop acting like it's a foregone conclusion that Ohio St will play FSU- because as the coaches poll indicated, that's far from a certainty. Ohio St may not even be #2 this week....

They will be. They will beat Michigan State and that will seal the deal. I think it is more likely that Auburn comes out flat against Missouri after this massively emotional week they are going to be having. Therefore I think Auburn losing to Missouri is more likely than Ohio State losing to Michigan State.

Thank you for your word of caution but if you end up being right, I wont be distraught. Life will go on. Although the Saint in me almost wants Auburn in the championship game so that there isn't an outbreak of suicide in the South when the SEC doesn't get a chance to defend their title streak.

(12-01-2013 02:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

I was a nervous wreck. LSU really exposed Manziel last week. I agree with you in that I really get tired of the experts running down teams because of their schedules. You just go out and play your schedule. You can't control how good the other team is, or how many injuries they have. FSU gets the same rap in the ACC. I think FSU-OSU might be a better game than Alabama.

I don't know if FSU vs OSU would be a better match up than FSU vs Alabama. I was really looking forward to seeing if FSU could take out Alabama. Having seen Auburn do it, I am glad FSU vs Alabama didn't happen.

I do think OSU will be more competitive in that game than everyone is giving them credit for. I am looking forward to the Big Ten Championship Game.

I also think Missouri has a strong shot against Auburn. Auburn is going to have a very emotional week. It wouldn't be unusual for them to come out spent, flat and unfocused.

(12-01-2013 02:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

you may want to stop acting like it's a foregone conclusion that Ohio St will play FSU- because as the coaches poll indicated, that's far from a certainty. Ohio St may not even be #2 this week....

They will be. They will beat Michigan State and that will seal the deal. I think it is more likely that Auburn comes out flat against Missouri after this massively emotional week they are going to be having. Therefore I think Auburn losing to Missouri is more likely than Ohio State losing to Michigan State.

Thank you for your word of caution but if you end up being right, I wont be distraught. Life will go on. Although the Saint in me almost wants Auburn in the championship game so that there isn't an outbreak of suicide in the South when the SEC doesn't get a chance to defend their title streak.

I think Ohio St had just as emotional of a week and game as Auburn did just about quite frankly. I wonder after seeing the players reactions on the bus after the Iron Bowl- how they're going to react to maybe being #3 this week behind Auburn. It's a fascinating scenario.

another thing with Ohio St that you do wonder about is the discipline issues they could have with the 2 guys thrown out. Could easily see the guy who flipped the bird getting something next week as well.

(12-01-2013 02:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

I was a nervous wreck. LSU really exposed Manziel last week. I agree with you in that I really get tired of the experts running down teams because of their schedules. You just go out and play your schedule. You can't control how good the other team is, or how many injuries they have. FSU gets the same rap in the ACC. I think FSU-OSU might be a better game than Alabama.

Uhmmm, you do realize Mizzou is in the national title hunt, right?

All that has to happen is for OSU to lose to MSU in the B1G CC and Mizzou to win in the SEC CC. Maybe only the second needs to happen.

If I were a Mizzou fan that is all I would talking about.

Just saying...

(12-01-2013 02:43 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

I was a nervous wreck. LSU really exposed Manziel last week. I agree with you in that I really get tired of the experts running down teams because of their schedules. You just go out and play your schedule. You can't control how good the other team is, or how many injuries they have. FSU gets the same rap in the ACC. I think FSU-OSU might be a better game than Alabama.

I don't know if FSU vs OSU would be a better match up than FSU vs Alabama. I was really looking forward to seeing if FSU could take out Alabama. Having seen Auburn do it, I am glad FSU vs Alabama didn't happen.

I do think OSU will be more competitive in that game than everyone is giving them credit for. I am looking forward to the Big Ten Championship Game.

I also think Missouri has a strong shot against Auburn. Auburn is going to have a very emotional week. It wouldn't be unusual for them to come out spent, flat and unfocused.

The issue with Ohio St is their defense. Michigan absolutely carved them up while Michigan State shut them down. They've given up 30 or more points 4 times this year.

I don't think Missouri has the juice to pass Ohio St if they beat Auburn. Just not quite good enough computers, plus they don't have the poll support beating the #1 team.

(12-01-2013 02:51 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:43 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

I was a nervous wreck. LSU really exposed Manziel last week. I agree with you in that I really get tired of the experts running down teams because of their schedules. You just go out and play your schedule. You can't control how good the other team is, or how many injuries they have. FSU gets the same rap in the ACC. I think FSU-OSU might be a better game than Alabama.

I don't know if FSU vs OSU would be a better match up than FSU vs Alabama. I was really looking forward to seeing if FSU could take out Alabama. Having seen Auburn do it, I am glad FSU vs Alabama didn't happen.

I do think OSU will be more competitive in that game than everyone is giving them credit for. I am looking forward to the Big Ten Championship Game.

I also think Missouri has a strong shot against Auburn. Auburn is going to have a very emotional week. It wouldn't be unusual for them to come out spent, flat and unfocused.

The issue with Ohio St is their defense. Michigan absolutely carved them up while Michigan State shut them down. They've given up 30 or more points 4 times this year.

I understand that. Michigan State is one hell of a defensive team. They have had some strong offensive performances but they are by no means an offensively strong team. I think they play into the strengths of this Ohio State team.

On the other hand, I think Missouri matches up very well against Auburn.

If Ohio State goes undefeated on the season then I do believe they will make it in despite all the biased, entitled opinions that believe the SEC is anointed to always be in the National Championship game. ESPN hasn't fried my brain like it has to most fans in the South.

(12-01-2013 02:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think Missouri has the juice to pass Ohio St if they beat Auburn. Just not quite good enough computers, plus they don't have the poll support beating the #1 team.

Correct. Only Auburn has a shot of surpassing OSU if OSU wins next week.

If OSU beats Mich State then they deserve a shot. You can't go undefeated two years in a row and not have one.

If the polls don't change- Ohio St probably needs Missouri to beat Auburn to make the title game. We'll know more tonight obviously when we see just how strong Auburn is in the computers. If Auburn is even within .005 tonight- I think you can say that for sure.

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

I was a nervous wreck. LSU really exposed Manziel last week. I agree with you in that I really get tired of the experts running down teams because of their schedules. You just go out and play your schedule. You can't control how good the other team is, or how many injuries they have. FSU gets the same rap in the ACC. I think FSU-OSU might be a better game than Alabama.

Uhmmm, you do realize Mizzou is in the national title hunt, right?

All that has to happen is for OSU to lose to MSU in the B1G CC and Mizzou to win in the SEC CC. Maybe only the second needs to happen.

If I were a Mizzou fan that is all I would talking about.

Just saying...

Not even on my radar yet. If we manage to beat Auburn then I will refocus. Until then I am focusing on the SEC Championship and then letting the chips fall.

(12-01-2013 03:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  I have watched just about every Ohio State game this year H. Great team and I am not denying that. MSU has no offense is the message of the day I guess. Of course the analysts yesterday stated that Auburn was too one dimensional to beat Alabama. Don't count out MSU next week. Just like Auburn in the SEC, MSU does not care about the B1G being in the NCG. By the way, I watched the Iowa game which was awesome. Watching Pelini blow a gasket always pleases me. Congrats!

Well then, I will have to consider you the exception to the rule when you make statements about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

MSU has an offense, it just isn't dependable.

Right now I am loving all the national talk that is insulting the Buckeyes. I hope they continue to give Urban more and more ammunition to get those guys fired up to put on a show against MSU. MSU has a great defense for sure but they havnt had to play an offense that works like OSU's does. One of the Syracuse posters here showed a graphic of comparison between OSU and FSU. The defensive difference is obvious. OSU needs to tighten that up before they face FSU. Luckily MSU wont provide a strong challenge in that regard. OSU's offense on the other hand is really good. MSU hasn't faced an offense like this all year long. OSU has all the weapons on offense.

Glad you enjoyed the Iowa game, I sure as hell did. I get to rub it in to a coworker tomorrow that is a diehard Cornhusker. Iowa needed to win this game at Nebraska in order to make this a viable rivalry.

That Missouri game must have been a real nail biter for you. Your defense did a number on Manziel.

I was a nervous wreck. LSU really exposed Manziel last week. I agree with you in that I really get tired of the experts running down teams because of their schedules. You just go out and play your schedule. You can't control how good the other team is, or how many injuries they have. FSU gets the same rap in the ACC. I think FSU-OSU might be a better game than Alabama.

Uhmmm, you do realize Mizzou is in the national title hunt, right?

All that has to happen is for OSU to lose to MSU in the B1G CC and Mizzou to win in the SEC CC. Maybe only the second needs to happen.

If I were a Mizzou fan that is all I would talking about.

Just saying...

Not even on my radar yet. If we manage to beat Auburn then I will refocus. Until then I am focusing on the SEC Championship and then letting the chips fall.

(12-01-2013 01:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how people whom have most likely not watched a single Ohio State game, except maybe for the Michigan game, think they know how Ohio State stacks up against Florida State.

They don't have to know H1. They know how the Buckeyes have stacked up next to of one of the weakest schedules in the history of the BCS.

I don't think Ohio State should get a shot….there should be a penalty for playing a bunch of losers at Ohio Stadium. OSU wants 8 home games and usually stocks them with dregs, that's fine, but they shouldn't gripe when they get left out of the NCG due to a POS schedule. It would be one thing if OSU scheduled some good programs in the OOC that just happen to have down years, I could understand but playing Kent St, Bowling Green, and Devry aren't going to help you get the nod for a NCG. And they sure as heck don't get you ready for the SEC (see OSU's bowl record vs the SEC as Exhibit A).

(12-01-2013 02:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If OSU beats Mich State then they deserve a shot. You can't go undefeated two years in a row and not have one.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

They started the season at #2. If we were comparing all one and two loss teams here then there's a good argument that a one-loss Ohio State doesn't make it. But undefeated; history says they deserve a chance.

They played Iowa at home. Iowa is probably the best 4-loss team in the country.

If Michigan State can't stop their offense, Florida State won't.

(12-01-2013 04:40 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I don't think Ohio State should get a shot….there should be a penalty for playing a bunch of losers at Ohio Stadium. OSU wants 8 home games and usually stocks them with dregs, that's fine, but they shouldn't gripe when they get left out of the NCG due to a POS schedule. It would be one thing if OSU scheduled some good programs in the OOC that just happen to have down years, I could understand but playing Kent St, Bowling Green, and Devry aren't going to help you get the nod for a NCG. And they sure as heck don't get you ready for the SEC (see OSU's bowl record vs the SEC as Exhibit A).

I'm not about to defend Ohio St.'s schedule. But if you weren't a jealous Cincinnati fan, it would be hard to see much difference between:
Buffalo, San Diego St., Florida A&M, Cal
Murray St., Toledo, Arkansas St., Indiana
W. Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Arkansas St., Washington St.
Virginia Tech, Georgia State, Chattanooga, Colorado St.
Nevada, Idaho, Bethune-Cookman, Florida

For anyone who's curious, that's Ohio St., Missouri, Auburn, Alabama, Florida St., the 5 teams who almost certainly will comprise the BCS title game. For good measure, Oklahoma St. who gets in only with a bunch of upsets and a desire to avoid an Alabama/Auburn rematch-Lamar, UTSA, Mississippi St. (+1 extra conference game).

(12-01-2013 04:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They don't have to know H1. They know how the Buckeyes have stacked up to next of one of the weakest schedules in the history of the BCS.

Conversely, the SEC would have us believe that we don't have to have solid empirical cross-conference evidence that the SEC team is worthy; simply being "SEC" is all we need to know.

The SEC starts with the best pre-season rankings, making it very difficult for any other-conference team with the same number of losses to stack up in the BCS rankings.

This is the one scenario that works against the SEC.

Let's play this game and then decide just how good Ohio State is.

(12-01-2013 06:35 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 04:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They don't have to know H1. They know how the Buckeyes have stacked up to next of one of the weakest schedules in the history of the BCS.

Conversely, the SEC would have us believe that we don't have to have solid empirical cross-conference evidence that the SEC team is worthy; simply being "SEC" is all we need to know.

The SEC starts with the best pre-season rankings, making it very difficult for any other-conference team with the same number of losses to stack up in the BCS rankings.

This is the one scenario that works against the SEC.

Let's play this game and then decide just how good Ohio State is.

When the top of your conference plays the top of the SEC it has been ugly. You haven't even been able to compete against the PAC favorably, especially against either of them in BCS competition. Let's play the games indeed! But, let's not play dodge ball; dodge decent competition and want to play for the crystal ball that is. I have nothing against the Buckeyes but their schedule included not only 4 patsies, but several of the weakest teams in the Big 10. There is a difference. Michigan State lost to Notre Dame. I still can't figure that one out. But hey, at least they played somebody OOC! Your Wolverines have been anything but a typical Michigan team and it's a down year for you guys. Wisconsin is still good, but not the same as they were a few years ago. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt if this season wasn't such a down one for the Big 10. Bless Penn State they are overachieving. Nebraska is very average. Iowa is picking up. Indiana is a good 8 loss team if that can be imagined. But, you just don't have the support for claims about the schedule and Ohio State's OOC hasn't helped them, in fact has hurt them. And it really is just that simple.