This is all probably going to be moot when said and done. GoDaddy will be persuaded to take ArkSt or Troy or maybe even USA should they beat ULL. Everyone's throwing a fit about something that hasn't happened yet.

As has been demonstrated the last three years, only one school is guaranteed a Bowl in the SBC each year and that is ULL. The other Bowl is for the rest of the league to squabble over.

Next year there will another Bowl for the SBC. This issue will not go away. AppSt, GaSo, Idaho, NMSU, and TxSt will have to hope that USA, Troy, ULL, and ULM all are not Bowl eligible so that their team has a chance at a Bowl game. Such is life in the SBC.

(12-01-2013 11:24 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This is all probably going to be moot when said and done. GoDaddy will be persuaded to take ArkSt or Troy or maybe even USA should they beat ULL. Everyone's throwing a fit about something that hasn't happened yet.

As has been demonstrated the last three years, only one school is guaranteed a Bowl in the SBC each year and that is ULL. The other Bowl is for the rest of the league to squabble over.

Next year there will another Bowl for the SBC. This issue will not go away. AppSt, GaSo, Idaho, NMSU, and TxSt will have to hope that USA, Troy, ULL, and ULM all are not Bowl eligible so that their team has a chance at a Bowl game. Such is life in the SBC.

Out of curiosity you don't think UL earned the invite after securing at least a share of the title. I've never seen a year where the SBC champions didn't get a bowl bid so we haven't taken anything from anyone. I for one feel WKU has done enough to garner the GDB bid. We have two bowl tie ins so two teams are guaranteed a spot I'd like to think we've earned a spot.

(12-01-2013 11:33 AM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:24 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This is all probably going to be moot when said and done. GoDaddy will be persuaded to take ArkSt or Troy or maybe even USA should they beat ULL. Everyone's throwing a fit about something that hasn't happened yet.

As has been demonstrated the last three years, only one school is guaranteed a Bowl in the SBC each year and that is ULL. The other Bowl is for the rest of the league to squabble over.

Next year there will another Bowl for the SBC. This issue will not go away. AppSt, GaSo, Idaho, NMSU, and TxSt will have to hope that USA, Troy, ULL, and ULM all are not Bowl eligible so that their team has a chance at a Bowl game. Such is life in the SBC.

Out of curiosity you don't think UL earned the invite after securing at least a share of the title. I've never seen a year where the SBC champions didn't get a bowl bid so we haven't taken anything from anyone. I for one feel WKU has done enough to garner the GDB bid. We have two bowl tie ins so two teams are guaranteed a spot I'd like to think we've earned a spot.

Absolutely ULL earned their Bowl bid this year. I'm just saying that year in and year out ULL is likely the only team with a very secure chance of a Bowl at 6 wins whereas the rest of the league has to do more. It's about the money.

(12-01-2013 11:33 AM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:24 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This is all probably going to be moot when said and done. GoDaddy will be persuaded to take ArkSt or Troy or maybe even USA should they beat ULL. Everyone's throwing a fit about something that hasn't happened yet.

As has been demonstrated the last three years, only one school is guaranteed a Bowl in the SBC each year and that is ULL. The other Bowl is for the rest of the league to squabble over.

Next year there will another Bowl for the SBC. This issue will not go away. AppSt, GaSo, Idaho, NMSU, and TxSt will have to hope that USA, Troy, ULL, and ULM all are not Bowl eligible so that their team has a chance at a Bowl game. Such is life in the SBC.

Out of curiosity you don't think UL earned the invite after securing at least a share of the title. I've never seen a year where the SBC champions didn't get a bowl bid so we haven't taken anything from anyone. I for one feel WKU has done enough to garner the GDB bid. We have two bowl tie ins so two teams are guaranteed a spot I'd like to think we've earned a spot.

So should the bowls tied to our conference choose the teams with the best conference records? If UL loses next week we are co-champs and if UL wins next week, we are alone at second place. It would be devastating from a recruiting standpoint if recruits see that the second place Sun Belt team can't even secure a bowl. We have to fight enough stupidity in this state without us having to fight against our own conference too.

I don't know what we can do about the bowl situation, outside of working on the by laws. We would not be in this mess had someone not come up with the bright idea of adding Idaho. That pretty much has left us in a situation where we have to let the bowls take who they want.

(12-01-2013 11:41 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:33 AM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:24 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This is all probably going to be moot when said and done. GoDaddy will be persuaded to take ArkSt or Troy or maybe even USA should they beat ULL. Everyone's throwing a fit about something that hasn't happened yet.

As has been demonstrated the last three years, only one school is guaranteed a Bowl in the SBC each year and that is ULL. The other Bowl is for the rest of the league to squabble over.

Next year there will another Bowl for the SBC. This issue will not go away. AppSt, GaSo, Idaho, NMSU, and TxSt will have to hope that USA, Troy, ULL, and ULM all are not Bowl eligible so that their team has a chance at a Bowl game. Such is life in the SBC.

Out of curiosity you don't think UL earned the invite after securing at least a share of the title. I've never seen a year where the SBC champions didn't get a bowl bid so we haven't taken anything from anyone. I for one feel WKU has done enough to garner the GDB bid. We have two bowl tie ins so two teams are guaranteed a spot I'd like to think we've earned a spot.

So should the bowls tied to our conference choose the teams with the best conference records? If UL loses next week we are co-champs and if UL wins next week, we are alone at second place. It would be devastating from a recruiting standpoint if recruits see that the second place Sun Belt team can't even secure a bowl. We have to fight enough stupidity in this state without us having to fight against our own conference too.

I feel for you and personally think ArkST gets the GoDaddy bid. Btw, in 2011 WKU finished in sole 2nd place at 7-1 but the 3rd and 4th place teams got a Bowl and WKU sat at home. It happens. I recall very little sympathy from SBC schools about WKU being passed over that year. Lots of .....OOC record, unknown attendance, etc. stuff but no one made the argument that the 2nd place team should get the 2nd SBC Bowl.

ASU isn't getting the invite unless USA wins and forces the issue and even then I would not be shocked if the league ignores the rules established when MTSU was left out last year. We scheduled a couple of teams that ended up being the best two teams that anyone in the league played this year and we blew it against a motivated rival on the road while our new coach was finding his way.

Dang proud of Fredi Knighten last night. Tough to ask the number two to carry the day, right my Cajun brothers?

just a question about the theory that the Sun Belt would not go to bat for wku since they are leaving. I seem to remember that the wku president was very strongly in favor of and pushed for Karl Benson succeeding Wright Waters. May be wku calls in the favor owed by Benson here? It's not like Benson doesn't play politics...

Either way, can't help but enjoy the sweating by fans of both schools...

(12-01-2013 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Dang proud of Fredi Knighten last night. Tough to ask the number two to carry the day, right my Cajun brothers?

Knighten was unbelievable last night. He scared me every time he had the ball. We had a pretty good game plan against Kennedy and it was working early. The injury happened and Knighten changed the whole game.

Kudos to him...

(12-01-2013 11:46 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:41 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:33 AM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:24 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This is all probably going to be moot when said and done. GoDaddy will be persuaded to take ArkSt or Troy or maybe even USA should they beat ULL. Everyone's throwing a fit about something that hasn't happened yet.

As has been demonstrated the last three years, only one school is guaranteed a Bowl in the SBC each year and that is ULL. The other Bowl is for the rest of the league to squabble over.

Next year there will another Bowl for the SBC. This issue will not go away. AppSt, GaSo, Idaho, NMSU, and TxSt will have to hope that USA, Troy, ULL, and ULM all are not Bowl eligible so that their team has a chance at a Bowl game. Such is life in the SBC.

Out of curiosity you don't think UL earned the invite after securing at least a share of the title. I've never seen a year where the SBC champions didn't get a bowl bid so we haven't taken anything from anyone. I for one feel WKU has done enough to garner the GDB bid. We have two bowl tie ins so two teams are guaranteed a spot I'd like to think we've earned a spot.

So should the bowls tied to our conference choose the teams with the best conference records? If UL loses next week we are co-champs and if UL wins next week, we are alone at second place. It would be devastating from a recruiting standpoint if recruits see that the second place Sun Belt team can't even secure a bowl. We have to fight enough stupidity in this state without us having to fight against our own conference too.

I feel for you and personally think ArkST gets the GoDaddy bid. Btw, in 2011 WKU finished in sole 2nd place at 7-1 but the 3rd and 4th place teams got a Bowl and WKU sat at home. It happens. I recall very little sympathy from SBC schools about WKU being passed over that year. Lots of .....OOC record, unknown attendance, etc. stuff but no one made the argument that the 2nd place team should get the 2nd SBC Bowl.

Not only did we finish in 2nd place all by ourselves in 2011, we beat both Louisiana-Lafayette and Florida International. They went to a Bowl game and we stayed home. You are right Apollo......almost everyone brought up our OOC record in 2011. Yet this season, I guess our OOC record does not matter.

We would finish tied for the best overall record in the SBC if South Alabama wins this coming Saturday.

(12-01-2013 11:41 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:33 AM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:24 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This is all probably going to be moot when said and done. GoDaddy will be persuaded to take ArkSt or Troy or maybe even USA should they beat ULL. Everyone's throwing a fit about something that hasn't happened yet.

As has been demonstrated the last three years, only one school is guaranteed a Bowl in the SBC each year and that is ULL. The other Bowl is for the rest of the league to squabble over.

Next year there will another Bowl for the SBC. This issue will not go away. AppSt, GaSo, Idaho, NMSU, and TxSt will have to hope that USA, Troy, ULL, and ULM all are not Bowl eligible so that their team has a chance at a Bowl game. Such is life in the SBC.

Out of curiosity you don't think UL earned the invite after securing at least a share of the title. I've never seen a year where the SBC champions didn't get a bowl bid so we haven't taken anything from anyone. I for one feel WKU has done enough to garner the GDB bid. We have two bowl tie ins so two teams are guaranteed a spot I'd like to think we've earned a spot.

So should the bowls tied to our conference choose the teams with the best conference records? If UL loses next week we are co-champs and if UL wins next week, we are alone at second place. It would be devastating from a recruiting standpoint if recruits see that the second place Sun Belt team can't even secure a bowl. We have to fight enough stupidity in this state without us having to fight against our own conference too.

Now that's a legitimate argument I don't have a problem with the second place team getting the bowl bid if USA loses. That makes more sense if the second place team has at least 7 win which you do.

Just wait until next year when 9 teams (I don't think AppSt and GaSo will be eligible) fight over 3 Bowls. It'll be even worse the next year when AppSt and GaSo are eligible. Likely 5-6 teams at a minimum will be Bowl eligible next year. The champion will get one of the Bowls and the other two Bowls will choose whomever they wish, driven by a $ decision which means ULL, ULM, USA, and Troy get the nods for those other two Bowls. Odds are very good that ArkSt, TxSt, GaSt, Idaho, and NMSU sit home regardless of record unless they win the championship outright.

(12-01-2013 12:22 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Just wait until next year when 9 teams (I don't think AppSt and GaSo will be eligible) fight over 3 Bowls. It'll be even worse the next year when AppSt and GaSo are eligible. Likely 5-6 teams at a minimum will be Bowl eligible next year. The champion will get one of the Bowls and the other two Bowls will choose whomever they wish, driven by a $ decision which means ULL, ULM, USA, and Troy get the nods for those other two Bowls. Odds are very good that ArkSt, TxSt, GaSt, Idaho, and NMSU sit home regardless of record unless they win the championship outright.

The pecking order for bowls in the conference is a major issue. It played a role in losing teams to CUSA. If it is not fixed then it will continue to be an achilles heel and source of instability for the conference.

I am not sure what the solution is. We have one western bowl and it is New Orleans and pretty much locked up with the Louisiana teams. What bowl in the SBC footprint will want to have Idaho forced on them? None. But they deserve a bowl based on their record as much as anyone else in the conference.

We need to work on more western bowls. We need to get a championship game/tiebreakers. We need to have rules to avoid the following:

GoDaddy - ASU, ASU, ASU
New Orleans - UL, UL, UL

Because it is not good for the conference.

(12-01-2013 10:43 AM)MiddleTennesseeStater Wrote:  If stAte gets the bid over WKU, can someone do me a solid and link to some early December threads from last season discussing MT's bowl snub? I'd love to compare the opinions/postings of the Topper faithful.

here's a solid bro-seph.

no matter who gets picked over western there is no way there will ever be the amount of candy-assed vaginal whining that emitted from mount saint murfeesboro last year. every man card in rutherford county should have been pulled with the incessant sobbing and weeping coming from the middle fanbase.

i have said all along we don't get a bid. i have friends who claim they 'hear things' but i put no stock in it.

no team will ever approach the shrill shrieking achieved by your grouplast year. never.

Fact repeated for emphasis: 2011 WKU 7-1 ,alone in second place=NO BOWL.

3rd place Cajuns 6-2 went bowling
4th place FIU 5-3 went bowling

Just 2 years ago but many seem to forget.We at WKU have NOT and it is one of the reasons we went to C-USA!

It was wrong 2 years ago for WKU to not go bowlling and it is wrong this year if Ark. St. does not go to a bowl.

(12-01-2013 03:23 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Fact repeated for emphasis: 2011 WKU 7-1 ,alone in second place=NO BOWL.

3rd place Cajuns 6-2 went bowling
4th place FIU 5-3 went bowling

Just 2 years ago but many seem to forget.We at WKU have NOT and it is one of the reasons we went to C-USA!

Yeah that sucks, but they took those for market and/or geography. Same thing that might happen to us with Troy next week.

(12-01-2013 01:28 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 10:43 AM)MiddleTennesseeStater Wrote:  If stAte gets the bid over WKU, can someone do me a solid and link to some early December threads from last season discussing MT's bowl snub? I'd love to compare the opinions/postings of the Topper faithful.

here's a solid bro-seph.

no matter who gets picked over western there is no way there will ever be the amount of candy-assed vaginal whining that emitted from mount saint murfeesboro last year. every man card in rutherford county should have been pulled with the incessant sobbing and weeping coming from the middle fanbase.

i have said all along we don't get a bid. i have friends who claim they 'hear things' but i put no stock in it.

no team will ever approach the shrill shrieking achieved by your grouplast year. never.

I guess we will wait and see, huh?

(12-01-2013 03:26 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  It was wrong 2 years ago for WKU to not go bowlling and it is wrong this year if Ark. St. does not go to a bowl.

Yeah, but we do all know what the system is coming in. It's a dirty business. Rural schools or those without ties to the bowl itself are at a distinct disadvantage.

The conference cannot make it "fair". It will not be "fair" in Conference USA. But the conferences can try to establish rules to minimize the problem.