(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

Missouri is just as good as Auburn and Alabama. They have beaten five ranked teams along with having a top 15 offense/defense. There is not logical explanation as to why they would not be in the same league as either of those teams this year. Same thing with South Carlina who handed Missouri their only loss of the year and has beaten two teams that are probably going to BCS bowls (Clemson and UCF). Three if Missouri beats Auburn.

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

I agree that FSU has been dominating but that is no different than OSU dominating the Big Ten. To be honest I think the Big Ten is stronger top to bottom than the ACC. The best win FSU has this year is against Clemson who's best win a close game with Georgia.

I think UCF would beat Clemson.

We shall see. I still believe FSU is the best team in the country. They are in an average conference, for sure, but I still believe only one loss in a tough SEC at most, Alabama, Auburn, or Missouri.

(11-30-2013 11:04 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

Missouri is just as good as Auburn and Alabama. They have beaten five ranked teams along with having a top 15 offense/defense. There is not logical explanation as to why they would not be in the same league as either of those teams this year. Same thing with South Carlina who handed Missouri their only loss of the year and has beaten two teams that are probably going to BCS bowls (Clemson and UCF). Three if Missouri beats Auburn.

I agree.

Mizzou has played one hell of a season.

(11-30-2013 11:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

I agree that FSU has been dominating but that is no different than OSU dominating the Big Ten. To be honest I think the Big Ten is stronger top to bottom than the ACC. The best win FSU has this year is against Clemson who's best win a close game with Georgia.

I think UCF would beat Clemson.

FSU dominating the ACC is not like OSU. OSU barely beat Michigan, Northwestern, and Wisconsin. They gave up 35 points to Illinois who finished 1-7 in conference. FSU hasn't been challenged at all.

UCF would get crushed by Clemson. Clemson has only lost to two teams in the past two years. South Carolina and FSU.

OSU has played nobody yet.

As far as UCF beating Clemson, maybe, FSU has taken care of business and have a boatload of talent. If they don't win #1, recruiting means nada.

(11-30-2013 11:15 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

I agree that FSU has been dominating but that is no different than OSU dominating the Big Ten. To be honest I think the Big Ten is stronger top to bottom than the ACC. The best win FSU has this year is against Clemson who's best win a close game with Georgia.

I think UCF would beat Clemson.

FSU dominating the ACC is not like OSU. OSU barely beat Michigan, Northwestern, and Wisconsin. They gave up 35 points to Illinois who finished 1-7 in conference. FSU hasn't been challenged at all.

UCF would get crushed by Clemson. Clemson has only lost to two teams in the past two years. South Carolina and FSU.

And turned the ball over a combined 15 times in losing those 4 games. They seem to have a team mental issue that pops out from time to time.

(11-30-2013 10:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 01:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU has already put away hapless Florida, and Clemson and Tech will beat SC and Georgia as well.

Oh, and Wake will rally past Vandy.

A banner day for the ACC!

Realistically the best team in the ACC beat the worst team in the SEC. The SEC won every game that had evenly matched teams. Florida State is lucky they got a Florida team that can't even beat an FCS team.

What is truly sad is that Ohio State would have at least 3 losses and FSU two if they played in the SEC.

I don't know it depends on their schedule. I think Alabama, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri, and Auburn are capable of beating Florida State. I'm not being a homer and saying FSU could not beat any of them but those teams definitely would play a close game.

So what. There are five or six ACC teams including Duke could easily beat Ohio State. Ohio State will still be in National Championship Game. Life is not fair.

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

You can't determine if a team is dominant without looking at their schedule. FSU has played a soft schedule. Who is their best win? A Clemson team that just got beat soundly by an SEC also-ran.

Believe me, FSU would rather play anyone in the ACC next week than face LSU. LSU's athletes are just as big/strong/fast as FSU's, maybe moreso, something FSU never faces in the ACC.

And LSU didn't sniff the SEC title.

(11-30-2013 10:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 01:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU has already put away hapless Florida, and Clemson and Tech will beat SC and Georgia as well.

Oh, and Wake will rally past Vandy.

A banner day for the ACC!

Realistically the best team in the ACC beat the worst team in the SEC. The SEC won every game that had evenly matched teams. Florida State is lucky they got a Florida team that can't even beat an FCS team.

Wake Forest 4-7 vs. Vandy 7-4. It ended up being evenly matched, but didn't look that way on paper.

(11-30-2013 11:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

You can't determine if a team is dominant without looking at their schedule. FSU has played a soft schedule. Who is their best win? A Clemson team that just got beat soundly by an SEC also-ran.

Believe me, FSU would rather play anyone in the ACC next week than face LSU. LSU's athletes are just as big/strong/fast as FSU's, maybe moreso, something FSU never faces in the ACC.

And LSU didn't sniff the SEC title.

Well LSU got beat by UGA who got beat by Clemson who got crushed by FSU. LSU is a very spotty team. They beat Auburn and shut down A&M's offense, but other than that didn't show a lot.

(12-01-2013 12:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

You can't determine if a team is dominant without looking at their schedule. FSU has played a soft schedule. Who is their best win? A Clemson team that just got beat soundly by an SEC also-ran.

Believe me, FSU would rather play anyone in the ACC next week than face LSU. LSU's athletes are just as big/strong/fast as FSU's, maybe moreso, something FSU never faces in the ACC.

And LSU didn't sniff the SEC title.

Well LSU got beat by UGA who got beat by Clemson who got crushed by FSU. LSU is a very spotty team. They beat Auburn and shut down A&M's offense, but other than that didn't show a lot.

Let me ask you: Would FSU rather play Duke or LSU next week? Would Ohio State rather player Michigan State or LSU next week?

I think it would take both Jimbo and Urban each about 1/10 of a second to say they wouldn't want anything to do with LSU.

FSU would probably rather not play LSU, unless if there was some advantage to do so, but if you believe that LSU is a 50-50 game, where are you getting that percentage. Maybe next year. This year, I can see only losing one game in the SEC at best. To the point, don't you think FSU would be just as good, or better, with Alabama's schedule, and I did not here many doubters of their placement in the BCS.

(11-30-2013 11:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

You can't determine if a team is dominant without looking at their schedule. FSU has played a soft schedule. Who is their best win? A Clemson team that just got beat soundly by an SEC also-ran.

Believe me, FSU would rather play anyone in the ACC next week than face LSU. LSU's athletes are just as big/strong/fast as FSU's, maybe moreso, something FSU never faces in the ACC.

And LSU didn't sniff the SEC title.

If you think SC beat Clemson soundly then you didn't watch the game. That game was tied with a little over 11 minutes left. Clemson turned the ball over 4 times in the 4th quarter. Some of them weren't even caused by SC. You can't recover from that.

(12-01-2013 07:57 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama, maybe, maybe Auburn, other than that, not likely. FSU is that good this year.

LSU vs FSU would be a 50-50 game.

Hell, the ACC didn't really even go 1-3 vs the SEC. They went 1-3 vs the SEC East.

I do not believe they are in that ballpark. FSU would lose maybe one game in the SEC this year. I have not heard from anybody that FSU isn't the most dominant looking team this year, and, I, for one, agree.

You can't determine if a team is dominant without looking at their schedule. FSU has played a soft schedule. Who is their best win? A Clemson team that just got beat soundly by an SEC also-ran.

Believe me, FSU would rather play anyone in the ACC next week than face LSU. LSU's athletes are just as big/strong/fast as FSU's, maybe moreso, something FSU never faces in the ACC.

And LSU didn't sniff the SEC title.

If you think SC beat Clemson soundly then you didn't watch the game.

I watched the game. Clemson never led, and SC won 31-17. That's a "sound" beating by any stretch.

FSU has rolled up impressive numbers this year but their schedule has been very soft. Remember when ACC backers were touting Miami as a "big win", and that Florida would be too?

What's really sad is that Clemson, clearly undeserving, might still make a BCS bowl while SC definitely will not, thanks to stupid BCS rules about how many teams can go from a conference.

(11-30-2013 11:30 PM)ArQ Wrote:  So what. There are five or six ACC teams including Duke could easily beat Ohio State. Ohio State will still be in National Championship Game. Life is not fair.

Thanks for the good laugh this morning! I needed it

(11-30-2013 11:30 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 01:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU has already put away hapless Florida, and Clemson and Tech will beat SC and Georgia as well.

Oh, and Wake will rally past Vandy.

A banner day for the ACC!

Realistically the best team in the ACC beat the worst team in the SEC. The SEC won every game that had evenly matched teams. Florida State is lucky they got a Florida team that can't even beat an FCS team.

What is truly sad is that Ohio State would have at least 3 losses and FSU two if they played in the SEC.

I don't know it depends on their schedule. I think Alabama, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri, and Auburn are capable of beating Florida State. I'm not being a homer and saying FSU could not beat any of them but those teams definitely would play a close game.

So what. There are five or six ACC teams including Duke could easily beat Ohio State. Ohio State will still be in National Championship Game. Life is not fair.

No, Clemson & FSU definitely could beat OSU but Duke doesn't have the D to hang with Ohio State and the rest of the conference is poor to average.

(12-01-2013 10:23 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:30 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Realistically the best team in the ACC beat the worst team in the SEC. The SEC won every game that had evenly matched teams. Florida State is lucky they got a Florida team that can't even beat an FCS team.

What is truly sad is that Ohio State would have at least 3 losses and FSU two if they played in the SEC.

I don't know it depends on their schedule. I think Alabama, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri, and Auburn are capable of beating Florida State. I'm not being a homer and saying FSU could not beat any of them but those teams definitely would play a close game.

So what. There are five or six ACC teams including Duke could easily beat Ohio State. Ohio State will still be in National Championship Game. Life is not fair.

No, Clemson & FSU definitely could beat OSU but Duke doesn't have the D to hang with Ohio State and the rest of the conference is poor to average.

Ohio State would beat Duke by 20 points.