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NEXT SCHOOL UP!!!

NEXT Already........leave 'em, and I hope they get stuck on an island in the CAA.
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I do have to agree with those posters who suggest that the SBC move on from considering JMU. As an observer (and fan of the SBC), it really does look like the JMU administration wants nothing to do with the SBC, but hides their desires well within their much-discussed independent study (which really doesn't say much.) I sure wouldn't chase them as I think there are alternatives to SBC expansion (and I don't, for the life of me, understand why there is no all sports invite for NMSU) other than JMU that will "fit" the conference as well or better. You guys aren't desperate, so you don't need a JMU life line to save the conference. Far from it. You don't need saving, as you are doing just fine without them.
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I say we publically announce, and have the Presidents do so if Benson won't the following.

"There appear to be institutions that are not negotiating with the Sun Belt in good faith. We are going to stop those discussion as it appears that we are only a stalking horse for a school that would rather play elsewhere. We wish that institution well on its program. If that means we stay at 11 teams, so be it."
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(11-24-2013 05:21 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  
(11-24-2013 05:00 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...iversities

Spent a few minutes here and at Forbes. The highest ranked school in the SB is NM State and I was able to find 3-4 (depends on publication) universities in CUSA ranked higher. Most of the schools in the SB are unranked. Also note that most the schools in CUSA are National universities while every SB school is regional with the exception of ULL, NMST and Idaho. I think I might be missing one more but can't recall at the moment. Again, I don't have all day to do an extensive research. Therefore, feel free to amend any information I've provided.

While I do not object that CUSA has more "national" universities, I do think that it has nothing to do with a school's academic quality. It is only in relation to the "mission" of the school, and how many doctorates are offered. Regional schools are focused on undergraduate education, while national universities are focused on research. It has nothing to do with the quality of students admitted.
For example, Villanova is a regional university, while NC A&T is a national university. You would never see anyone claim that A&T is a better school than Villanova.
For the record, JMU is a regional university.

Your mention of research universities is interesting. I read an article several years ago discussing an education at Stanford. The article focused on the fact that although Stanford is universally considered a top-notch university, that does necessarily trickle down to the students. The article mentioned that a very large number of the freshmen and sophomore classes were taught by GAs because the faculty was busy conducting their research. For my money, I would rather have my money go towards paying the salary of professor with a PhD teaching my children, rather than funding someone's research while my child is being taught by a GA that is only 2-3 years older than them.
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Local Richmond radio (which does a pretty good job covering JMU) is saying an FBS announcement is coming this spring, as indicated from today's firing of Mickey Mouth - just like App got rid of Moore before the move. JMU seems to be on App's timetable. Mathews and Moore were both old school FCS guys and I believe he wanted nothing to do with FBS like his friend Jerry Moore. Much like App came around to recognizing the SBC was the best fit, I suspect JMU will be on board by April.
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That is stupid, announce now vs. April and get a true FBS recruiting class.
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(11-25-2013 04:46 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  That is stupid, announce now vs. April and get a true FBS recruiting class.

they are waiting for the best offer..if anyone else leaves c-usa stAte and u-laf move in there. if not, then they may have a place for jmu..
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(11-25-2013 02:45 PM)Jacque Wrote:  
(11-24-2013 05:21 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  
(11-24-2013 05:00 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...iversities

Spent a few minutes here and at Forbes. The highest ranked school in the SB is NM State and I was able to find 3-4 (depends on publication) universities in CUSA ranked higher. Most of the schools in the SB are unranked. Also note that most the schools in CUSA are National universities while every SB school is regional with the exception of ULL, NMST and Idaho. I think I might be missing one more but can't recall at the moment. Again, I don't have all day to do an extensive research. Therefore, feel free to amend any information I've provided.

While I do not object that CUSA has more "national" universities, I do think that it has nothing to do with a school's academic quality. It is only in relation to the "mission" of the school, and how many doctorates are offered. Regional schools are focused on undergraduate education, while national universities are focused on research. It has nothing to do with the quality of students admitted.
For example, Villanova is a regional university, while NC A&T is a national university. You would never see anyone claim that A&T is a better school than Villanova.
For the record, JMU is a regional university.

Your mention of research universities is interesting. I read an article several years ago discussing an education at Stanford. The article focused on the fact that although Stanford is universally considered a top-notch university, that does necessarily trickle down to the students. The article mentioned that a very large number of the freshmen and sophomore classes were taught by GAs because the faculty was busy conducting their research. For my money, I would rather have my money go towards paying the salary of professor with a PhD teaching my children, rather than funding someone's research while my child is being taught by a GA that is only 2-3 years older than them.

except for rice, there arent any schools in c-usa that I would encourage my kid to go to..
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(11-25-2013 06:25 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-25-2013 04:46 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  That is stupid, announce now vs. April and get a true FBS recruiting class.

they are waiting for the best offer..if anyone else leaves c-usa stAte and u-laf move in there. if not, then they may have a place for jmu..


Far from the truth. Lots of factors will be in play if something like this happens.
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(11-25-2013 02:45 PM)Jacque Wrote:  
(11-24-2013 05:21 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  
(11-24-2013 05:00 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...iversities

Spent a few minutes here and at Forbes. The highest ranked school in the SB is NM State and I was able to find 3-4 (depends on publication) universities in CUSA ranked higher. Most of the schools in the SB are unranked. Also note that most the schools in CUSA are National universities while every SB school is regional with the exception of ULL, NMST and Idaho. I think I might be missing one more but can't recall at the moment. Again, I don't have all day to do an extensive research. Therefore, feel free to amend any information I've provided.

While I do not object that CUSA has more "national" universities, I do think that it has nothing to do with a school's academic quality. It is only in relation to the "mission" of the school, and how many doctorates are offered. Regional schools are focused on undergraduate education, while national universities are focused on research. It has nothing to do with the quality of students admitted.
For example, Villanova is a regional university, while NC A&T is a national university. You would never see anyone claim that A&T is a better school than Villanova.
For the record, JMU is a regional university.

Your mention of research universities is interesting. I read an article several years ago discussing an education at Stanford. The article focused on the fact that although Stanford is universally considered a top-notch university, that does necessarily trickle down to the students. The article mentioned that a very large number of the freshmen and sophomore classes were taught by GAs because the faculty was busy conducting their research. For my money, I would rather have my money go towards paying the salary of professor with a PhD teaching my children, rather than funding someone's research while my child is being taught by a GA that is only 2-3 years older than them.

I agree with you....It is the policy at UL that every Professor, including the many that hold fully funded endowed research positions, must teach at the University. Even our former President, Dr. Authement, a PHD. from The University of North Carolina in Mathematics taught Mathematics while President at the University....I always thought that this was a sound policy
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Man if stAte and UL left that would suck. They were the most fun to play this year based on the banter between fans. That would just put us on an island. I don't see it happening but man that would suck.
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I do believe that JMU's football coach, Mickey Matthews, being forced out today indicates JMU is getting ready to make an announcement
about going to the FBS in some conference.
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(11-25-2013 06:25 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-25-2013 04:46 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  That is stupid, announce now vs. April and get a true FBS recruiting class.

they are waiting for the best offer..if anyone else leaves c-usa stAte and u-laf move in there. if not, then they may have a place for jmu..

I find it hard to believe that CUSA would want another eastern team regardless of what happens. I remember reading that CUSA will already be sending Southern Miss and UAB to the west, if JMU were to come aboard, either Western Kentucky or Middle Tennessee would have to go west.
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I highly doubt there will be any expansion outside of JMU and whoever joins the Sun Belt this offseason.
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(11-25-2013 06:28 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-25-2013 02:45 PM)Jacque Wrote:  
(11-24-2013 05:21 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  
(11-24-2013 05:00 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...iversities

Spent a few minutes here and at Forbes. The highest ranked school in the SB is NM State and I was able to find 3-4 (depends on publication) universities in CUSA ranked higher. Most of the schools in the SB are unranked. Also note that most the schools in CUSA are National universities while every SB school is regional with the exception of ULL, NMST and Idaho. I think I might be missing one more but can't recall at the moment. Again, I don't have all day to do an extensive research. Therefore, feel free to amend any information I've provided.

While I do not object that CUSA has more "national" universities, I do think that it has nothing to do with a school's academic quality. It is only in relation to the "mission" of the school, and how many doctorates are offered. Regional schools are focused on undergraduate education, while national universities are focused on research. It has nothing to do with the quality of students admitted.
For example, Villanova is a regional university, while NC A&T is a national university. You would never see anyone claim that A&T is a better school than Villanova.
For the record, JMU is a regional university.

Your mention of research universities is interesting. I read an article several years ago discussing an education at Stanford. The article focused on the fact that although Stanford is universally considered a top-notch university, that does necessarily trickle down to the students. The article mentioned that a very large number of the freshmen and sophomore classes were taught by GAs because the faculty was busy conducting their research. For my money, I would rather have my money go towards paying the salary of professor with a PhD teaching my children, rather than funding someone's research while my child is being taught by a GA that is only 2-3 years older than them.

except for rice, there arent any schools in c-usa that I would encourage my kid to go to..

There are good schools in every conference. My son just started college this fall. When giving him advice on which in state school to attend I advised him to make his decision based on what career field he wanted to go into. Just as an example, several years ago he was thinking about music education. My advice to him was look at Troy and Jacksonville State. If he would have been thinking about a degree in the medical fields my advise would have been UAB.
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You guys are going to think I'm crazy for saying this01-wingedeagle but I would rather have UMASS instead of JMU.
1) Already an established FBS program which gives us a championship game immediately
2) Helps with our basketball rankings
3) We are flying to Idaho, why not Boston
4) Media Market
5) Add NMSU and we have a solid basketball & football conference
6) We can put to bed talks about JMU & the other school name I will not mention 3x...
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(11-25-2013 11:36 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  You guys are going to think I'm crazy for saying this01-wingedeagle but I would rather have UMASS instead of JMU.
1) Already an established FBS program which gives us a championship game immediately
2) Helps with our basketball rankings
3) We are flying to Idaho, why not Boston
4) Media Market
5) Add NMSU and we have a solid basketball & football conference
6) We can put to bed talks about JMU & the other school name I will not mention 3x...

UMass wont join the MAC for all sports, why in the hades would they join our craptastic basketball league?
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(11-25-2013 01:05 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  I do have to agree with those posters who suggest that the SBC move on from considering JMU. As an observer (and fan of the SBC), it really does look like the JMU administration wants nothing to do with the SBC, but hides their desires well within their much-discussed independent study (which really doesn't say much.) I sure wouldn't chase them as I think there are alternatives to SBC expansion (and I don't, for the life of me, understand why there is no all sports invite for NMSU) other than JMU that will "fit" the conference as well or better. You guys aren't desperate, so you don't need a JMU life line to save the conference. Far from it. You don't need saving, as you are doing just fine without them.

I can only say that historically, JMU's administration does things in a very opaque manner. This process of potentially seeking a realignment has been marked by unusual openness on the administration's part, but even that has still not led to any overt pronouncements, nor do any JMU fans expect any before January at least, if not later.

JMU has had a small number of Presidents in its history. The most recent occupant before the current President publicly advocated against moving to FBS. His predecessor, who oversaw the start of the football program, would have unilaterally made any decision to move, had the school's growth and the wider landscape of college athletics permitted it. Current leadership appears to desire to promote consensus by allowing all interested parties to let their voices be heard. In real terms this means that, because the administration has publicly said no invitation has been received and that comments and discussion are still ongoing, it is highly unlikely anything will be announced before the next Board of Visitors meeting in January 2014. Following that, if a decision to move is going to be made, the likelihood an announcement occurs increases weekly (and increases greatly once the winter sports seasons end).

There is a difference of opinion on our boards about what the FAQ's strong reliance on academic profile of any potential future conference means. A majority reached a conclusion similar to that of some on this board, that it meant a Sun Belt invitation would be refused. I am part of a minority who think it was meant to emphasize again to faculty that the University is not abandoning academic standards in its desire to compete at a higher athletic level, but did not preclude any conference.

I also do not think that the fact that JMU has yet to accept a Sun Belt invitation means that the school is stringing the conference along while it negotiates with other conferences for membership. Rather, JMU's administration has most likely decided that the marginal benefit gained from announcing a desire to move to FBS at this time is not as great as that to be gained by building as much as support as possible amongst the various parties (administration, faculty, students, alumni-many alumni were only recently contacted by athletics support organizations to ask about their desire to fund a realignment move), and then announcing at some later time.
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(11-25-2013 11:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-25-2013 11:36 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  You guys are going to think I'm crazy for saying this01-wingedeagle but I would rather have UMASS instead of JMU.
1) Already an established FBS program which gives us a championship game immediately
2) Helps with our basketball rankings
3) We are flying to Idaho, why not Boston
4) Media Market
5) Add NMSU and we have a solid basketball & football conference
6) We can put to bed talks about JMU & the other school name I will not mention 3x...

UMass wont join the MAC for all sports, why in the hades would they join our craptastic basketball league?

The MAC should kick them out... how beneficial UMASS is to the MAC?
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Add NMSU in all sports we defiantly want it! BTW we recieved 7 votes in the national poles today.
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