I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

It's the last year of the old contract, and probably was not worth the legal hassle to change it just for this one year.

(11-25-2013 03:59 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  It's the last year of the old contract, and probably was not worth the legal hassle to change it just for this one year.

This.

Also technically the American is the old Big East.

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

If it was more than just this year- may have seen something done. But- really wasn't worth the fight for them quite frankly. It's still over half of the big east from 2011, and 75% of the Big East from 2012. Compare to the Big 12- who is 67% of the conference from 2010. Don't see you crying about that so much.

(11-25-2013 04:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

If it was more than just this year- may have seen something done. But- really wasn't worth the fight for them quite frankly. It's still over half of the big east from 2011, and 75% of the Big East from 2012. Compare to the Big 12- who is 67% of the conference from 2010. Don't see you crying about that so much.

But the Big12 core remained largely intact. People didn't see the Big12 as being so fundamentally changed as to be completely new. Back when the Big12 had 12 members, most people thought of Texas and Oklahoma when the conference discussion came up. Today, both of those schools are still seen as the flagships of the conference.

The American, OTOH, is fundamentally changed so as to be unrecognizable. Legally, it's the same conference as the original BE all sports group. In reality, it is a completely new conference cut from whole cloth.

(11-25-2013 04:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

If it was more than just this year- may have seen something done. But- really wasn't worth the fight for them quite frankly. It's still over half of the big east from 2011, and 75% of the Big East from 2012. Compare to the Big 12- who is 67% of the conference from 2010. Don't see you crying about that so much.

But the Big12 core remained largely intact. People didn't see the Big12 as being so fundamentally changed as to be completely new. Back when the Big12 had 12 members, most people thought of Texas and Oklahoma when the conference discussion came up. Today, both of those schools are still seen as the flagships of the conference.

The American, OTOH, is fundamentally changed so as to be unrecognizable. Legally, it's the same conference as the original BE all sports group. In reality, it is a completely new conference cut from whole cloth.

Man, I really enjoyed your vacation.

Why is Pitt allowed to have a football team?

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

By the way, have you noticed that pie and cake sales have risen dramatically? Could this be due to Hostess returning to the shelves?

It's probably for the best that the BCS is going by the wayside. Everything will be more open and fair in 2014 and beyond so that any school that does well will be rewarded. No more "sacred cows" will be allowed to exist like they did in 2013 and prior.

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality.

But in law, and since the AQ privilege is in a contract that the Old Big East is a signatory to, its their's unless some way were found to break the contract.

And as had already been pointed out, for one year it was not worth it, especially since the other Go5 conferences would also have objected, given that this is the last year that their prospect of making a Big Money Bowl hinges on the BCS ranking of the lowest ranking AQ champion.

I don't believe you are being honest that you don't understand why, you just want to have an argument about it.

(11-25-2013 04:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  By the way, have you noticed that pie and cake sales have risen dramatically? Could this be due to Hostess returning to the shelves?

Definitely ~ I see them on the shelves, think to myself "bloody scumbag union busters", then buy some other brand of pastry or fry pie to deny them the sale. And, voila, one more pastry or fry pie sale than before Hostess was back on the shelves.

Who cares, since Louisville (10-1), UCF (9-1) and Cincy (9-2) are all currently ranked in the coaches' poll. The American will provide as good a champion this year (if not better than):

Big East in 1998 (15th ranked Syracuse at 8-3)
Pac 12 in 1999 (22nd ranked Stanford at 8-3)
Big 10 in 2000 (17th ranked Purdue at 8-3)
ACC in 2002(14th ranked Florida St at 9-4)
Big East in 2004 (21st ranked Pitt at 8-3)
Big 10 in 2004 (13th ranked Michigan at 9-2)
ACC in 2005 (22nd ranked Florida St at 8-4)
ACC in 2006 (14th ranked Wake at 11-2)
Big 10 in 2007 (13th ranked Illinois at 9-3)
ACC in 2008 (19th ranked Virginia Tech at 9-4)
Big East in 2010 (unranked UConn at 8-4)
ACC in 2011 (15th ranked Clemson at 9-3)
Big East in 2011 (23rd ranked West Va at 9-3)
Big 10 in 2012 (unranked Wisconsin at 8-5)
Big East in 2012 (21st ranked Louisville at 10-2)

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be.

The integrity of FBS-level college football has been getting smothered under layers of bullsh*t for a long time now. One more layer for one year won't make any big difference.

Quote:It's a farce and not fair.

The perfect ending for the BCS era.

(11-25-2013 04:47 PM)miko33 Wrote:  It's probably for the best that the BCS is going by the wayside.

Can't happen soon enough.

Quote:Everything will be more open and fair in 2014 and beyond so that any school that does well will be rewarded. No more "sacred cows" will be allowed to exist like they did in 2013 and prior.

That remains to be seen.

(11-25-2013 05:06 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Who cares, since Louisville (10-1), UCF (9-1) and Cincy (9-2) are all currently ranked in the coaches' poll. The American will provide as good a champion this year (if not better than):

Big East in 1998 (15th ranked Syracuse at 8-3)
Pac 12 in 1999 (22nd ranked Stanford at 8-3)
Big 10 in 2000 (17th ranked Purdue at 8-3)
ACC in 2002(14th ranked Florida St at 9-4)
Big East in 2004 (21st ranked Pitt at 8-3)
Big 10 in 2004 (13th ranked Michigan at 9-2)
ACC in 2005 (22nd ranked Florida St at 8-4)
ACC in 2006 (14th ranked Wake at 11-2)
Big 10 in 2007 (13th ranked Illinois at 9-3)
ACC in 2008 (19th ranked Virginia Tech at 9-4)
Big East in 2010 (unranked UConn at 8-4)
ACC in 2011 (15th ranked Clemson at 9-3)
Big East in 2011 (23rd ranked West Va at 9-3)
Big 10 in 2012 (unranked Wisconsin at 8-5)
Big East in 2012 (21st ranked Louisville at 10-2)

Interesting post:
BIg East 5 times (3 now in ACC, 1 B12, 1 AAC)
ACC 5 times
Big 10 4 times
Pac 1 time
SEC 0
Big 12 0

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Why does Pitt go 6-6 every year? UCF, Cincinnati, or Ville would smack Pitt all over the field, same for Cuse and WVU. The football got better when your program left.

(11-25-2013 06:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Why does Pitt go 6-6 every year? UCF, Cincinnati, or Ville would smack Pitt all over the field, same for Cuse and WVU. The football got better when your program left.

Whether your statement is accurate or just a bunch of hot air is irrelevant. The bottom line is the AAC champion will be several notches lower than the other champs and runners up in the other P5 conferences. Combine that with the notion that the AAC bears very little resemblance to the original Big East all sports conference and it's not even debatable. This is an injustice that will be rectified come 2014 and beyond. My issues are that it should have been addressed in 2013 given the expansion that happened within the P5 plus the significant changes to the Big East now AAC. That's all I'm saying.

No offense intended to anyone. I'm not like that.

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East.

It's completely different in substance, but by NCAA rules, it is still the old Big East, and thus still has that AQ BCS slot this year.