Well, I guess we see the MSM's new battle plan on Chicago Jesus's lying....Americans can't think for themselves, so you have to lie to them. The Government knows best.



It’s the cardinal rule of marketing management: Under-promise and over-deliver. If the sign at “Pirates of the Caribbean” says the wait is 45 minutes, and your kids are floating along on the ride in half that time, Disneyland really is the Happiest Place on Earth.

So it’s little wonder that the glaring contrast between the White House’s perpetually optimistic talk about its health care plan — “Try it! You’ll like it!” — and the messy realities of its rollout has sent President Barack Obama’s job approval ratings to all-time lows, and for the first time left the public with a negative view of his honesty in some surveys.

From the start, the plan was more complex and unpredictable than Obama liked to acknowledge, reliant as it was on the profit-driven market forces of the private insurance industry, individually regulated in all 50 states. And his strategy for selling it was always based on an unspoken assumption that the public could not tolerate such unpleasant truths.

To be fair, the all-out partisan war to pass the bill, and then to defend it in the courts and Congress, was hardly the time for the president to warn, “This might not work right away, folks.”


http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?u...38CECB436D

The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Yet some of us neanderthals could see this as unworkable and a disaster waiting to happen before it was even passed.

But somehow the smartest man to ever hold the office didn't see any of the inherent problems with this folly until he saw a story about them on the evening news. Or the morning paper. Or his daughter Amy told him about it.

Amazing.

(11-18-2013 12:28 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:28 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

Nice bait smaug. Immediately the obamapolgists come running out to defend their precious liar, er leader.

Meanwhile, fitbud outs himself and the other obama-fans as "not very smart." Chalk up another correct observation by the right.

Quote:Obama had to lie......

Lie? There’s not much actual evidence that Obama is especially bright and understood the implications of Obamacare in the first place.

(11-18-2013 12:35 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Quote:Obama had to lie......

Lie? There’s not much actual evidence that Obama is especially bright and understood the implications of Obamacare in the first place.

If you mean that he didn't foresee the insurance companies changing their policies in anticipation of Obamacare then yeah I could see that.

He should have known better.

He also should have known that a lot of people were going to hate it even if it does turn out to be a success.

People don't like change. ( no pun intended)

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:28 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the people who elected this clown twice.
So, it's the electorate's fault if he told them something patently untrue and they believed him?

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:28 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

Surely you aren't that delusional and lost.

In other words, you are all too fu**en stupid to understand that Obamacare is good for you, so therefore Obammy had to mislead you.

Yeah, that about wraps it up.

(11-18-2013 12:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:28 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the people who elected this clown twice.
So, it's the electorate's fault if he told them something patently untrue and they believed him?

Well I would go that far but anyone who believes 100% what a politician says isn't right in the head to begin with.

Why on earth would the same people who believe he is the anti christ actually take him at his word anyway?

It just isn't logical.

(11-18-2013 12:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:28 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the people who elected this clown twice.
So, it's the electorate's fault if he told them something patently untrue and they believed him?

Well I would go that far but anyone who believes 100% what a politician says isn't right in the head to begin with.

Why on earth would the same people who believe he is the anti christ actually take him at his word anyway?

It just isn't logical.

Pssst. The people who think he's the anti-christ aren't the ones who elected him twice.

And what would John Q's reaction have been if he'd been honest and said, "There's a pretty good chance your plan will change, whether you like it or not"?

Compare its chances of passing to, say, a snowball's in hell, if you please.

It's folks on the left who took him at his word, if that makes them stupid then I'm inclined to agree.

Here are your honest truth merchants on Obamacare. They didn't buy into the lies.

(11-18-2013 12:45 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:28 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The president got this white whale passed by deceiving the American people.

There is no defending that.

Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the people who elected this clown twice.
So, it's the electorate's fault if he told them something patently untrue and they believed him?

Well I would go that far but anyone who believes 100% what a politician says isn't right in the head to begin with.

Why on earth would the same people who believe he is the anti christ actually take him at his word anyway?

It just isn't logical.

Pssst. The people who think he's the anti-christ aren't the ones who elected him twice.

And what would John Q's reaction have been if he'd been honest and said, "There's a pretty good chance your plan will change, whether you like it or not"?

Compare its chances of passing to, say, a snowball's in hell, if you please.

The one's that voted for him aren't the ones complaining.

(11-18-2013 12:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:45 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the people who elected this clown twice.
So, it's the electorate's fault if he told them something patently untrue and they believed him?

Well I would go that far but anyone who believes 100% what a politician says isn't right in the head to begin with.

Why on earth would the same people who believe he is the anti christ actually take him at his word anyway?

It just isn't logical.

Pssst. The people who think he's the anti-christ aren't the ones who elected him twice.

And what would John Q's reaction have been if he'd been honest and said, "There's a pretty good chance your plan will change, whether you like it or not"?

Compare its chances of passing to, say, a snowball's in hell, if you please.

The one's that voted for him aren't the ones complaining.

Have you noticed his approval numbers of late?

(11-18-2013 12:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:45 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  That's not a very nice thing to say about the people who elected this clown twice.
So, it's the electorate's fault if he told them something patently untrue and they believed him?

Well I would go that far but anyone who believes 100% what a politician says isn't right in the head to begin with.

Why on earth would the same people who believe he is the anti christ actually take him at his word anyway?

It just isn't logical.

Pssst. The people who think he's the anti-christ aren't the ones who elected him twice.

And what would John Q's reaction have been if he'd been honest and said, "There's a pretty good chance your plan will change, whether you like it or not"?

Compare its chances of passing to, say, a snowball's in hell, if you please.

The one's that voted for him aren't the ones complaining.

Have you noticed his approval numbers of late?

Yes I have and I'm not surprised.

It's going to take some time for people to get used to this overhaul of our system.

I get that.

I still think that it will eventually be successful.

(11-18-2013 12:38 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you mean that he didn't foresee the insurance companies changing their policies in anticipation of Obamacare then yeah I could see that.

Comments like this confirm that liberals are remarkably capable of deluding themselves much much longer, and more deeply, than most reasonable people currently suspect.

If the President himself makes promises about Obamacare and it's later shown to be false, and he dodges, deflects, and call it someone else's fault, the American public and the world will notice and understand accordingly.

(11-18-2013 12:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:45 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Deceived? How?

If the public was deceived by the bill in any way then they aren't very smart.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the people who elected this clown twice.
So, it's the electorate's fault if he told them something patently untrue and they believed him?

Well I would go that far but anyone who believes 100% what a politician says isn't right in the head to begin with.

Why on earth would the same people who believe he is the anti christ actually take him at his word anyway?

It just isn't logical.

Pssst. The people who think he's the anti-christ aren't the ones who elected him twice.

And what would John Q's reaction have been if he'd been honest and said, "There's a pretty good chance your plan will change, whether you like it or not"?

Compare its chances of passing to, say, a snowball's in hell, if you please.

The one's that voted for him aren't the ones complaining.

His approval rating is 39%. So yes, lots of people who voted for him are complaining.

(11-18-2013 12:38 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:35 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Quote:Obama had to lie......

Lie? There’s not much actual evidence that Obama is especially bright and understood the implications of Obamacare in the first place.

If you mean that he didn't foresee the insurance companies changing their policies in anticipation of Obamacare then yeah I could see that.

He should have known better.

He also should have known that a lot of people were going to hate it even if it does turn out to be a success.

People don't like change. ( no pun intended)

Agreed. If he couldn't anticipate the insurance companies being required to change their policies to be lawfully in compliance with the very bill he signed into law, then he really is pretty dense. Or incompetent. Or both. Neither one is very comforting though.

OTOH, if he is supposedly some kind of Constitutional lawyer, then it would clearly have to be willful deceit. Or, put more plainly, a bald faced lie.

Keep spinning, fit. Keep spinning.