Quote:If you get FBS--what is left may not be much when you get there.
However, I'm sure some here are too excited to accept those realities
For reasons that's I've outlined before, I've argued that there is no actual motivation for the P5 to breakaway. I'm not going to rehash the reasons here and now, but...
Let's assume you're exactly right.
EKU's major goal here is to be seen as the same as a bunch of former peer institutions here. If we cause the system to collapse and essentially create a new middle level that we're a part of...then so be it. We've still accomplished our primary goal.
Look, these FBS conferences aren't doing us any favors, so don't expect us to care about their well-being either. We want what we want, and if we tear down someone else's reality doing it...well too bad for them. C-USA probably could have protected their reality by inviting the top four schools involved in this, but they took their position of power for granted, and now it may end up costing them in a much bigger way than splitting the current pie a few more ways within the league.
We're either going to join the party or crash it. Either way, I'm cool with it from EKU's perspective.
(But I will reiterate this I believe the alleged "breakaway" is far less likely than most people think it is. The current situation is super-messed up, but it's symbiotic so we'll keep doing it).
(12-11-2022 11:12 AM)EKUSteve Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 11:10 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote: [ -> ]Matt Brown’s full report …
https://www.extrapointsmb.com/heres-what...-fbs-plan/
It is behind the paywall. Don't cut and paste the article because that isn't fair to Matt.
I didn’t share what he said. Click the link, buy access and support mid major businesses
Ok, as a fellow Kennesaw State guy, let's stop pounding the budget hammer..Yes, schools are going to have to increase budgets, as FCS to FBS call ups ALWAYS have to do unless you are JMU, who competed for years at the FCS level with a low P5, high G5 budget.. If you look thru athletic budgets for the G5s, you will find more than 1 school operating in the mid teens. It can be done, it's just tight..
As far as getting NCAA approval.. I think a stroke of genius idea would be to invite Jackson State and FAMU as affiliate football members. Both fit the general geography, both have expressed desire for an FBS future, both have had recent success, and the public sentiment would make it very difficult for an NCAA board member to deny an HBCU a chance for FBS.. Just a thought..
(12-11-2022 02:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, as a fellow Kennesaw State guy, let's stop pounding the budget hammer..Yes, schools are going to have to increase budgets, as FCS to FBS call ups ALWAYS have to do unless you are JMU, who competed for years at the FCS level with a low P5, high G5 budget.. If you look thru athletic budgets for the G5s, you will find more than 1 school operating in the mid teens. It can be done, it's just tight..
As far as getting NCAA approval.. I think a stroke of genius idea would be to invite Jackson State and FAMU as affiliate football members. Both fit the general geography, both have expressed desire for an FBS future, both have had recent success, and the public sentiment would make it very difficult for an NCAA board member to deny an HBCU a chance for FBS.. Just a thought..
Maybe they're two of the four. Would be very interesting and this new league definitely needs a team in Mississippi to bridge the geographical footprint a bit.
Quote:I didn’t share what he said. Click the link, buy access and support mid major businesses
I think he was just trying to let you know in case you didn't realize and also clarify that he wasn't asking you to provide access.
(12-11-2022 03:49 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I didn’t share what he said. Click the link, buy access and support mid major businesses
I think he was just trying to let you know in case you didn't realize and also clarify that he wasn't asking you to provide access.
Bingo. It wasn't about the post I replied to. Just any further post as there have been times a later would do it. My apologies if you took offense.
(12-11-2022 02:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, as a fellow Kennesaw State guy, let's stop pounding the budget hammer..Yes, schools are going to have to increase budgets, as FCS to FBS call ups ALWAYS have to do unless you are JMU, who competed for years at the FCS level with a low P5, high G5 budget.. If you look thru athletic budgets for the G5s, you will find more than 1 school operating in the mid teens. It can be done, it's just tight..
As far as getting NCAA approval.. I think a stroke of genius idea would be to invite Jackson State and FAMU as affiliate football members. Both fit the general geography, both have expressed desire for an FBS future, both have had recent success, and the public sentiment would make it very difficult for an NCAA board member to deny an HBCU a chance for FBS.. Just a thought..
A school with an 8M dollar budget getting into FBS if increased is not realistic.
There is no G5 school in the teens and some of the schools in question are below 10M.
(12-11-2022 04:40 PM)jones682 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 02:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, as a fellow Kennesaw State guy, let's stop pounding the budget hammer..Yes, schools are going to have to increase budgets, as FCS to FBS call ups ALWAYS have to do unless you are JMU, who competed for years at the FCS level with a low P5, high G5 budget.. If you look thru athletic budgets for the G5s, you will find more than 1 school operating in the mid teens. It can be done, it's just tight..
As far as getting NCAA approval.. I think a stroke of genius idea would be to invite Jackson State and FAMU as affiliate football members. Both fit the general geography, both have expressed desire for an FBS future, both have had recent success, and the public sentiment would make it very difficult for an NCAA board member to deny an HBCU a chance for FBS.. Just a thought..
A school with an 8M dollar budget getting into FBS if increased is not realistic.
There is no G5 school in the teens and some of the schools in question are below 10M.
Lol. Dude, the budgets will increase. You’re comical with this. Haha .
(12-11-2022 04:50 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 04:40 PM)jones682 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 02:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, as a fellow Kennesaw State guy, let's stop pounding the budget hammer..Yes, schools are going to have to increase budgets, as FCS to FBS call ups ALWAYS have to do unless you are JMU, who competed for years at the FCS level with a low P5, high G5 budget.. If you look thru athletic budgets for the G5s, you will find more than 1 school operating in the mid teens. It can be done, it's just tight..
As far as getting NCAA approval.. I think a stroke of genius idea would be to invite Jackson State and FAMU as affiliate football members. Both fit the general geography, both have expressed desire for an FBS future, both have had recent success, and the public sentiment would make it very difficult for an NCAA board member to deny an HBCU a chance for FBS.. Just a thought..
A school with an 8M dollar budget getting into FBS if increased is not realistic.
There is no G5 school in the teens and some of the schools in question are below 10M.
Lol. Dude, the budgets will increase. You’re comical with this. Haha .
So you are saying they can increase there budget from 8M to 20M? TBH they need to be aleast 25M. That is not realistic.
(12-11-2022 04:56 PM)jones682 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 04:50 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 04:40 PM)jones682 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 02:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, as a fellow Kennesaw State guy, let's stop pounding the budget hammer..Yes, schools are going to have to increase budgets, as FCS to FBS call ups ALWAYS have to do unless you are JMU, who competed for years at the FCS level with a low P5, high G5 budget.. If you look thru athletic budgets for the G5s, you will find more than 1 school operating in the mid teens. It can be done, it's just tight..
As far as getting NCAA approval.. I think a stroke of genius idea would be to invite Jackson State and FAMU as affiliate football members. Both fit the general geography, both have expressed desire for an FBS future, both have had recent success, and the public sentiment would make it very difficult for an NCAA board member to deny an HBCU a chance for FBS.. Just a thought..
A school with an 8M dollar budget getting into FBS if increased is not realistic.
There is no G5 school in the teens and some of the schools in question are below 10M.
Lol. Dude, the budgets will increase. You’re comical with this. Haha .
So you are saying they can increase there budget from 8M to 20M? TBH the need to be aleast 25M. That is not realistic.
I have no idea. And neither do you. Those are the facts here.
Quote:So you are saying they can increase there budget from 8M to 20M? TBH the need to be aleast 25M. That is not realistic.
The beauty of this plan is that we can move slower. When you just jump into an existing FBS conference you better be close to fully ready or you're going to get pounded for a while. In this scenario, the group can go together. One of us is GOING to win a conference title in year 1.
Meanwhile, we play a few money games, we take the higher payouts, and we build.
(12-11-2022 04:56 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 04:56 PM)jones682 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 04:50 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 04:40 PM)jones682 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 02:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, as a fellow Kennesaw State guy, let's stop pounding the budget hammer..Yes, schools are going to have to increase budgets, as FCS to FBS call ups ALWAYS have to do unless you are JMU, who competed for years at the FCS level with a low P5, high G5 budget.. If you look thru athletic budgets for the G5s, you will find more than 1 school operating in the mid teens. It can be done, it's just tight..
As far as getting NCAA approval.. I think a stroke of genius idea would be to invite Jackson State and FAMU as affiliate football members. Both fit the general geography, both have expressed desire for an FBS future, both have had recent success, and the public sentiment would make it very difficult for an NCAA board member to deny an HBCU a chance for FBS.. Just a thought..
A school with an 8M dollar budget getting into FBS if increased is not realistic.
There is no G5 school in the teens and some of the schools in question are below 10M.
Lol. Dude, the budgets will increase. You’re comical with this. Haha .
So you are saying they can increase there budget from 8M to 20M? TBH the need to be aleast 25M. That is not realistic.
I have no idea. And neither do you. Those are the facts here.
That does not make any sense. No schools has ever transition to the FBS with a budget below 15M. The reclassification fees alone are expensive. That FACTS.
(12-11-2022 04:59 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:So you are saying they can increase there budget from 8M to 20M? TBH the need to be aleast 25M. That is not realistic.
The beauty of this plan is that we can move slower. When you just jump into an existing FBS conference you better be close to fully ready or you're going to get pounded for a while. In this scenario, the group can go together. One of us is GOING to win a conference title in year 1.
Meanwhile, we play a few money games, we take the higher payouts, and we build.
What about the reclassification fees, the operation requirements etc, all of these teams have to meet those rules. The NCAA does enforce those rules unlike the attendance rule. What happens if CUSA take EKU and SFA?
(12-11-2022 05:22 PM)jones682 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 04:59 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:So you are saying they can increase there budget from 8M to 20M? TBH the need to be aleast 25M. That is not realistic.
The beauty of this plan is that we can move slower. When you just jump into an existing FBS conference you better be close to fully ready or you're going to get pounded for a while. In this scenario, the group can go together. One of us is GOING to win a conference title in year 1.
Meanwhile, we play a few money games, we take the higher payouts, and we build.
What about the reclassification fees, the operation requirements etc, all of these teams have to meet those rules. The NCAA does enforce those rules unlike the attendance rule. What happens if CUSA take EKU and SFA?
From the ESPN article:
The agreement includes the goal to "immediately explore expansion opportunities," sources said. League officials have begun early conversations with at least four other high-profile FCS football programs, sources said.
Anyone want to speculate on these other four FCS programs?
I think McNeese is a given.
(12-11-2022 05:45 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone want to speculate on these other four FCS programs?
I think McNeese is a given.
I would say one of the others, but people from that conference that they are in will get their panties so wadded, it will be too much...
(12-11-2022 07:14 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022 05:45 PM)unalions Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone want to speculate on these other four FCS programs?
I think McNeese is a given.
According to McNesse Ad that school hasn’t been contacted.
https://www.americanpress.com/2022/12/10...-drowning/
Interesting article especially when mentioning that the SLC is looking to expand. I wish UWF would go D1 soon.
If it’s not McNeese, which I didn’t really consider “high-profile” as the article states, I think you’d have to assume successful programs like the Montana schools and NDSU/SDSU.