Simple question - if Ohio State joins the SEC, doesn't that end the conference battle & set up a 1 super conference, 4 next level conference battle?
I think Ohio State, by itself, joining the SEC makes the SEC so far beyond the rest of the Big 10 that this would happen.
I also think that similar to UCLA following USC to the Big 10, Michigan would follow Ohio State the the SEC. If Michigan turned the offer down, Penn State would quickly jump at the chance.
So - SEC can win the big $$ prize if they can convince Ohio State to join.
Image the TV power of this 9 game conference schedule, assuming only Ohio State joins:
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Kentucky
Tennessee
Missouri
South Carolina
Wow - play Michigan non-conference plus 2 MAC schools - wow! This doesn't even include games with Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss - those would do huge ratings too.
Ohio State is the most powerful school in realignment - more than Notre Dame - they can effectively kill the Big 10 and crown the SEC.
Done?
lol
Not by a long shot : )
If that happened - which would indeed be interesting - The B10 would likely take followup action, and the dominoes would continue...
(07-17-2022 03:19 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ]Simple question - if Ohio State joins the SEC, doesn't that end the conference battle & set up a 1 super conference, 4 next level conference battle?
I think Ohio State, by itself, joining the SEC makes the SEC so far beyond the rest of the Big 10 that this would happen.
I also think that similar to UCLA following USC to the Big 10, Michigan would follow Ohio State the the SEC. If Michigan turned the offer down, Penn State would quickly jump at the chance.
So - SEC can win the big $$ prize if they can convince Ohio State to join.
Image the TV power of this 9 game conference schedule, assuming only Ohio State joins:
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Kentucky
Tennessee
Missouri
South Carolina
Wow - play Michigan non-conference plus 2 MAC schools - wow! This doesn't even include games with Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss - those would do huge ratings too.
Ohio State is the most powerful school in realignment - more than Notre Dame - they can effectively kill the Big 10 and crown the SEC.
That would probably signal the fast end of college football...it would blow up like a super nova. But what a few years it would be!
(07-17-2022 03:19 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ]Simple question - if Ohio State joins the SEC, doesn't that end the conference battle & set up a 1 super conference, 4 next level conference battle?
I think Ohio State, by itself, joining the SEC makes the SEC so far beyond the rest of the Big 10 that this would happen.
I also think that similar to UCLA following USC to the Big 10, Michigan would follow Ohio State the the SEC. If Michigan turned the offer down, Penn State would quickly jump at the chance.
So - SEC can win the big $$ prize if they can convince Ohio State to join.
Image the TV power of this 9 game conference schedule, assuming only Ohio State joins:
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Kentucky
Tennessee
Missouri
South Carolina
Wow - play Michigan non-conference plus 2 MAC schools - wow! This doesn't even include games with Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss - those would do huge ratings too.
Ohio State is the most powerful school in realignment - more than Notre Dame - they can effectively kill the Big 10 and crown the SEC.
Yep, particularly if ND, PSU, and Michigan came as well. The SEC would simply become the BEC (Big Enchilada Conference) and Dos Equis would be served at every game and chips and salsa would be courtesy ESPN.
Yes.
You’d get a cascading of BIG to SEC.
(07-17-2022 04:39 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 03:19 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ]Simple question - if Ohio State joins the SEC, doesn't that end the conference battle & set up a 1 super conference, 4 next level conference battle?
I think Ohio State, by itself, joining the SEC makes the SEC so far beyond the rest of the Big 10 that this would happen.
I also think that similar to UCLA following USC to the Big 10, Michigan would follow Ohio State the the SEC. If Michigan turned the offer down, Penn State would quickly jump at the chance.
So - SEC can win the big $$ prize if they can convince Ohio State to join.
Image the TV power of this 9 game conference schedule, assuming only Ohio State joins:
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Kentucky
Tennessee
Missouri
South Carolina
Wow - play Michigan non-conference plus 2 MAC schools - wow! This doesn't even include games with Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss - those would do huge ratings too.
Ohio State is the most powerful school in realignment - more than Notre Dame - they can effectively kill the Big 10 and crown the SEC.
Yep, particularly if ND, PSU, and Michigan came as well. The SEC would simply become the BEC (Big Enchilada Conference) and Dos Equis would be served at every game and chips and salsa would be courtesy ESPN.
The more I think about this, the less likely I think it is.
I think that it would be more likely for OH state and ND to create a new conference, and the ten best from all of football join. That way, it's worth it for schools to leave the P2. This mega conference could demand quite a bit more money, especially if it stayed solidly at 12 members.
(07-17-2022 04:39 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 03:19 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ]Simple question - if Ohio State joins the SEC, doesn't that end the conference battle & set up a 1 super conference, 4 next level conference battle?
I think Ohio State, by itself, joining the SEC makes the SEC so far beyond the rest of the Big 10 that this would happen.
I also think that similar to UCLA following USC to the Big 10, Michigan would follow Ohio State the the SEC. If Michigan turned the offer down, Penn State would quickly jump at the chance.
So - SEC can win the big $$ prize if they can convince Ohio State to join.
Image the TV power of this 9 game conference schedule, assuming only Ohio State joins:
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Kentucky
Tennessee
Missouri
South Carolina
Wow - play Michigan non-conference plus 2 MAC schools - wow! This doesn't even include games with Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss - those would do huge ratings too.
Ohio State is the most powerful school in realignment - more than Notre Dame - they can effectively kill the Big 10 and crown the SEC.
Yep, particularly if ND, PSU, and Michigan came as well. The SEC would simply become the BEC (Big Enchilada Conference) and Dos Equis would be served at every game and chips and salsa would be courtesy ESPN.
USC's availability means that they bump Penn STate. Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan.
I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
(07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
In my opinion, no, not over - but I have to admit, that was a great response : )
(07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
(07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Forgetting the money for a moment, why on earth would Ohio State want to leave the B1G, where they are the center of the universe, to be just another team that isn’t Alabama? Texas is going tin for a bit a shock when they realize they are no longer special in the SEC, but the increase in revenue will be too much to pass up. The difference in what Ohio State could make in the SEC is negligible, compared to what they will be giving up in the Big Ten.
(07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
No, I don't think there is a single school that would relegate the SEC to secondary status vs the Big 10. That is why I think Ohio State is the most powerful school - if just Alabama for example left the SEC, it would help the Big 10 football rep but the SEC is so deep that I don't see a drop off. Alabama would own the conference like Ohio State does & play a SEC school each year in the playoff. Alabama's fans would rebel at the move & never allow it to happen.
Additionally - politically Ohio seems to moving closer to the SEC states vs Michigan, Penn, Ill, Minnesota - maybe this moderates, but Ohio is moving from swing state to Red state. Michigan seems to becoming more blue, joining with Illinois & Penn. I think many Ohio State fans would be happy to join the SEC.
Ohio State would have many built in rivalries in the SEC - Kentucky is a border state, huge Ohio migration to Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia & Texas, plus king battles with Alabama & Oklahoma - fans would absolutely love the schedule.
Last - I'm surprised OSU is only 19.5% of the Big 10's value - I would have expected 25%+. Ohio State is essentially always on ABC or Fox. Big 10 has a group of schools - Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois - wonderful schools - but athletically these are AAC range value schools outside of the Big 10. They have poor football history, poor fan support, poor recruiting territory, admins that don't spend the $$ needed & survive in national image because of ties to Ohio State & Michigan. The conference was historically called the Big 2 Little 8 for good reason. Pull the OSU, Michigan, Penn State games off the schedule & they look like Temple or Memphis. When you look at the SEC - only Vanderbilt & maybe Miss State are in this category. Plus Maryland is in danger of joining this group.
Overall - Ohio State is the king maker - they could end the conference war if they want.
(07-17-2022 06:42 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Forgetting the money for a moment, why on earth would Ohio State want to leave the B1G, where they are the center of the universe, to be just another team that isn’t Alabama? Texas is going tin for a bit a shock when they realize they are no longer special in the SEC, but the increase in revenue will be too much to pass up. The difference in what Ohio State could make in the SEC is negligible, compared to what they will be giving up in the Big Ten.
Hey, I'm not saying they will, it's the hypothetical of the OP. I was just arguing the actual merit of Frank's reply.
(07-17-2022 06:42 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Forgetting the money for a moment, why on earth would Ohio State want to leave the B1G, where they are the center of the universe, to be just another team that isn’t Alabama? Texas is going tin for a bit a shock when they realize they are no longer special in the SEC, but the increase in revenue will be too much to pass up. The difference in what Ohio State could make in the SEC is negligible, compared to what they will be giving up in the Big Ten.
Because money - they can make more $$ in the SEC by moving all the big brands together. Why did Texas leave the Big 12, USC leave the Pac 12, Maryland leave the ACC - money. Big 10 is too snobby to admit the schools necessary to earn the most money & has too many schools to kick out. Consolidation must happen in the SEC if it is going to happen. Plus Ohio State thinks it can win the SEC.
(07-17-2022 03:19 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ]Simple question - if Ohio State joins the SEC, doesn't that end the conference battle & set up a 1 super conference, 4 next level conference battle?
I think Ohio State, by itself, joining the SEC makes the SEC so far beyond the rest of the Big 10 that this would happen.
I also think that similar to UCLA following USC to the Big 10, Michigan would follow Ohio State the the SEC. If Michigan turned the offer down, Penn State would quickly jump at the chance.
So - SEC can win the big $$ prize if they can convince Ohio State to join.
Image the TV power of this 9 game conference schedule, assuming only Ohio State joins:
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Kentucky
Tennessee
Missouri
South Carolina
Wow - play Michigan non-conference plus 2 MAC schools - wow! This doesn't even include games with Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss - those would do huge ratings too.
Ohio State is the most powerful school in realignment - more than Notre Dame - they can effectively kill the Big 10 and crown the SEC.
And nobody would watch CFB ever again.
(07-17-2022 07:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:42 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Forgetting the money for a moment, why on earth would Ohio State want to leave the B1G, where they are the center of the universe, to be just another team that isn’t Alabama? Texas is going tin for a bit a shock when they realize they are no longer special in the SEC, but the increase in revenue will be too much to pass up. The difference in what Ohio State could make in the SEC is negligible, compared to what they will be giving up in the Big Ten.
Because money - they can make more $$ in the SEC by moving all the big brands together. Why did Texas leave the Big 12, USC leave the Pac 12, Maryland leave the ACC - money. Big 10 is too snobby to admit the schools necessary to earn the most money & has too many schools to kick out. Consolidation must happen in the SEC if it is going to happen. Plus Ohio State thinks it can win the SEC.
There are "drags" on
potential total money per conference in the SEC too.
So let's look at the 4 JRsec suggested.
If it's about the money, Would the SEC be willing to drop AR, MS state, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, in order to pick up ND, OH state, Penn state, and Michigan?
If not, why not? If it's all about the money...
But if it's not all about the money, then you also have your answer to why those schools are less-than-likely to join the SEC.
(07-17-2022 07:09 PM)Skyhawk Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 07:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:42 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Forgetting the money for a moment, why on earth would Ohio State want to leave the B1G, where they are the center of the universe, to be just another team that isn’t Alabama? Texas is going tin for a bit a shock when they realize they are no longer special in the SEC, but the increase in revenue will be too much to pass up. The difference in what Ohio State could make in the SEC is negligible, compared to what they will be giving up in the Big Ten.
Because money - they can make more $$ in the SEC by moving all the big brands together. Why did Texas leave the Big 12, USC leave the Pac 12, Maryland leave the ACC - money. Big 10 is too snobby to admit the schools necessary to earn the most money & has too many schools to kick out. Consolidation must happen in the SEC if it is going to happen. Plus Ohio State thinks it can win the SEC.
There are "drags" on potential total money per conference in the SEC too.
So let's look at the 4 JRsec suggested.
If it's about the money, Would the SEC be willing to drop AR, MS state, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, in order to pick up ND, OH state, Penn state, and Michigan?
If not, why not? If it's all about the money...
But if it's not all about the money, then you also have your answer to why those schools are less-than-likely to join the SEC.
Can you provide an example of a conference kicking out a full member? I am not aware of it ever happening. I see no path for the SEC to kick out a team. Why does that matter?
If you think power is more valuable than money, its fine to have that that opinion, but in the last year Texas, Oklahoma, USC & UCLA all picked money over power. Why would Ohio State pick power over money? Does having power over an athletic conference really get you anything if the conference has sold its soul to Fox & ESPN?
(07-17-2022 07:09 PM)Skyhawk Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 07:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:42 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Forgetting the money for a moment, why on earth would Ohio State want to leave the B1G, where they are the center of the universe, to be just another team that isn’t Alabama? Texas is going tin for a bit a shock when they realize they are no longer special in the SEC, but the increase in revenue will be too much to pass up. The difference in what Ohio State could make in the SEC is negligible, compared to what they will be giving up in the Big Ten.
Because money - they can make more $$ in the SEC by moving all the big brands together. Why did Texas leave the Big 12, USC leave the Pac 12, Maryland leave the ACC - money. Big 10 is too snobby to admit the schools necessary to earn the most money & has too many schools to kick out. Consolidation must happen in the SEC if it is going to happen. Plus Ohio State thinks it can win the SEC.
There are "drags" on potential total money per conference in the SEC too.
So let's look at the 4 JRsec suggested.
If it's about the money, Would the SEC be willing to drop AR, MS state, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, in order to pick up ND, OH state, Penn state, and Michigan?
If not, why not? If it's all about the money...
But if it's not all about the money, then you also have your answer to why those schools are less-than-likely to join the SEC.
That wasn't my point. Ohio State is ~20% of the B1G's total value. Your media payout is an average of all 14 schools right now. That means 13 are pulling OSU's value down. Where did I say the Big 10 should cut anyone? I didn't. The issue of the OP is Ohio State.
In the SEC Alabama represents 14% of the SEC's value in a 14-member SEC. Now let that sink in. Yes, everyone else is below them but the real drag is in the bottom 5. In the Big 10 like the Big 12 Michigan is 17% of the total value and the bottom 8 are the drag on revenue.
Therefore, Ohio State would have more upside in a move to the SEC than Alabama would have in a move to the Big 10, especially with UT and OU included.
(07-17-2022 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 07:09 PM)Skyhawk Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 07:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:42 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Forgetting the money for a moment, why on earth would Ohio State want to leave the B1G, where they are the center of the universe, to be just another team that isn’t Alabama? Texas is going tin for a bit a shock when they realize they are no longer special in the SEC, but the increase in revenue will be too much to pass up. The difference in what Ohio State could make in the SEC is negligible, compared to what they will be giving up in the Big Ten.
Because money - they can make more $$ in the SEC by moving all the big brands together. Why did Texas leave the Big 12, USC leave the Pac 12, Maryland leave the ACC - money. Big 10 is too snobby to admit the schools necessary to earn the most money & has too many schools to kick out. Consolidation must happen in the SEC if it is going to happen. Plus Ohio State thinks it can win the SEC.
There are "drags" on potential total money per conference in the SEC too.
So let's look at the 4 JRsec suggested.
If it's about the money, Would the SEC be willing to drop AR, MS state, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky, in order to pick up ND, OH state, Penn state, and Michigan?
If not, why not? If it's all about the money...
But if it's not all about the money, then you also have your answer to why those schools are less-than-likely to join the SEC.
That wasn't my point. Ohio State is ~20% of the B1G's total value. Your media payout is an average of all 14 schools right now. That means 13 are pulling OSU's value down. Where did I say the Big 10 should cut anyone? I didn't. The issue of the OP is Ohio State.
In the SEC Alabama represents 14% of the SEC's value in a 14-member SEC. Now let that sink in. Yes, everyone else is below them but the real drag is in the bottom 5. In the Big 10 like the Big 12 Michigan is 17% of the total value and the bottom 8 are the drag on revenue.
Therefore, Ohio State would have more upside in a move to the SEC than Alabama would have in a move to the Big 10, especially with UT and OU included.
I understand that, and you kind of made my point about the drag from the bottom. Ohio state has to
want to move.
If the arguement is about drag from the bottom, over institutional fit, etc etc. then wouldn't Ohio state look at the SEC and pretty much see the same thing as the B10? And honestly, for them to join the SEC that way, it would be the SEC using Ohio state to up their media deal. Ohio state could stay at home and get that done for itself. Negotiations are going on right now, after all.
Everyone keeps wanting to add schools to gain more money. That's an unsustainable path. Eventually schools are either going to need to be dropped, or (more likely) the more valuable schools will leave to form a new conference.
It's not rocket science. Just ask the WAC and the MWC how it works (and to be sure, that split up was rather messy.)
At some point the core SEC schools will eventually start a new conference, it's really just a matter of when. Until then, we're unlikely to see big ten schools move.
and this while only talking about media deals. As you've mentioned there are other things and other revenue sources to consider as well.
(07-17-2022 06:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2022 06:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t stand these types of click bait hot take threads as a general matter.
Even playing along, Ohio State would be taking a PAY CUT to go to the SEC. The Big Ten has been making more TV money than the SEC this entire time and it will continue to be the case going forward. Many people also don’t seem to understand that Michigan is also the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. (Yes, more than Stanford and Northwestern since Michigan is always striving to be seen as on par with elite of the elite in academia. Northwestern voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU, but Michigan voted to kick them out.)
So, considering that the Big Ten is the higher paying league plus better academically, let’s throw it back at the OP: if Florida (or Texas or whoever you want to pick) joins the Big Ten, is the conference battle done? I find that to be just as or more likely than any B1G school going to the SEC considering that the Big Ten has long been superior on maximizing revenue despite the SEC being the better on-the-field football conference.
Frank you have been consistently wrong on the revenue point. Yes you make more media money, but if Ohio State came to the SEC, which is the premise, they would make even more in the SEC because Ohio State is 19.5% of the B1G's total value and would find the rest of the SEC, which is more balanced in value throughout than the Big 10 accretive to its media value. Ohio State is the top B1G value. That means the rest of you drag their value down.
Now name me the last year when the total sports revenue of the Big 10 exceeded that of the B1G? I'll wait but won't hold my breath because it's been a long time. The SEC averages 5 million most years in total revenue than does the Big 10. You like to pick on media revenue because it is the only sports revenue facet you lead in, that is until last year! You'll lead again for a few and then the SEC is projected to pull ahead.
Now if you want to talk academic endowments and grant money I'll gladly concede. But we are talking sports revenue, so apples to apples. SEC gate, SEC donations, SEC licensing, SEC attendance, and the SEC market impact numbers all exceed that of the B1G.
As Joe Friday would say, "Nothing but the facts Ma'am!"
Because media revenue is what the *conference* provides and what is driving realignment! You yourself has stated that the drive to mega-conferences (e.g. 20-plus teams in each of the B1G and SEC) is all about an ESPN/FOX-driven initiative.
I know you keep pointing to these figures that supposedly show the Big Ten being too heavy in value, but here’s the facts: the Big Ten actually makes a ton of money off of even its least valuable schools like Maryland, Rutgers and Illinois via the BTN and the league doesn’t have anyone that’s the equivalent of Mississippi State.
In any event, this is why I hate idiotic threads like this one. We’re arguing about something - Big Ten schools going to the SEC or vice versa - that’s straight up idiotic. It’s not your fault - the OP put in an incendiary headline and I took the bait. I’ll exit this thread now.