(01-16-2023 09:44 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023 09:26 AM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2023 06:14 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2023 12:51 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]The high number of pre and early season line injuries, is that just my perception or has that been a reality? Are those numbers normal for a college team? Maybe it's something everyone expects to deal with.
Last time I looked at the roster from this year, we had something like 20 guys eligible to come back for the OL. Then we lost one to the portal (Dumont) and I haven't been following any other losses since then. That seems like an excessive number of players for the OL, but unless you get a stud recruit in, they rarely start many games until sophomore year after a RS year and their freshman year. Injuries hit every team, but we seem to lead the nation in casualties on the OL before the season starts.
There will be some serious size for the Rocket OL in 2023…
Two transfers Nagguchu 6-5 310 and Orr 6-6 300-(HS height & weight 6-7 296)
S.Gales redshirt fr. 6-6 320 and (HS 6-8 300)probably 6-7
Cole Rhett incoming fr. 6-7 315
Need for speed. Quick feet. Big isn't good if the DE just run around and the LBs through. Get them into dancing class.
Ever wonder how the QBs see over and around these guys? So much not seen on the tv screen.
I will point out that Pinkle and Toledo Tom had some very big O-linemen.
Also I believe at one time we had the biggest O-line
(01-16-2023 12:31 PM)Babes boy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023 09:44 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023 09:26 AM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2023 06:14 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2023 12:51 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]The high number of pre and early season line injuries, is that just my perception or has that been a reality? Are those numbers normal for a college team? Maybe it's something everyone expects to deal with.
Last time I looked at the roster from this year, we had something like 20 guys eligible to come back for the OL. Then we lost one to the portal (Dumont) and I haven't been following any other losses since then. That seems like an excessive number of players for the OL, but unless you get a stud recruit in, they rarely start many games until sophomore year after a RS year and their freshman year. Injuries hit every team, but we seem to lead the nation in casualties on the OL before the season starts.
There will be some serious size for the Rocket OL in 2023…
Two transfers Nagguchu 6-5 310 and Orr 6-6 300-(HS height & weight 6-7 296)
S.Gales redshirt fr. 6-6 320 and (HS 6-8 300)probably 6-7
Cole Rhett incoming fr. 6-7 315
Need for speed. Quick feet. Big isn't good if the DE just run around and the LBs through. Get them into dancing class.
Ever wonder how the QBs see over and around these guys? So much not seen on the tv screen.
I will point out that Pinkle and Toledo Tom had some very big O-linemen.
Also I believe at one time we had the biggest O-line
Eric Faasen 6-9 353, other tackle Nick Kazur 6-5 320 (pro career-Patriots)
Had one OL that was on the roster during the Pinkel years that was 6-10 320 (never played) but coaches said he looked good coming off the bus !!
OL quickness is good if the guys are strong and tough, but our line (and blocking in general-receivers, TE) has been soft the past couple years. I see a lot guys getting pushed around. Plus, our smaller oline was still whiffing on blocks and missing assignments. I'm fine w 6-3 280 lb linemen if they are smart and play mean, but, if not, I'd rather have a 6-6 305 bully who can at least open up the run game.
(01-16-2023 02:23 PM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]OL quickness is good if the guys are strong and tough, but our line (and blocking in general-receivers, TE) has been soft the past couple years. I see a lot guys getting pushed around. Plus, our smaller oline was still whiffing on blocks and missing assignments. I'm fine w 6-3 280 lb linemen if they are smart and play mean, but, if not, I'd rather have a 6-6 305 bully who can at least open up the run game.
280?
We weren't quite THAT light. My googling says ave across all football is 305 and growing fast. A lot of the average is high screwed by a small number of programs. This is kind of fun from 2018
Top 25 reranked by line size
Wash below 280, wow!
Our OL seems about average for a mid-level B10. I compared rosters and could line ours against Purdue's almost man for man in weight.
The problem wasn't size, it was quality and more likely coaching, training, injuries... GENERALLY, my impression was that defenses ran around and between, not over our OL. Our RBs and men in motion weren't picking up the blocks.
A few quality programs and BYU can get a 305-310 average let alone 6'6" of quality OL. That leaves lighter quality OL for the rest to pick over.
These comments of bigger is better seems to be a mindset that the defense is obligated to run at our OL. Strangely, they have refused to acknowledge that demand. 7 on the line is long ago in history. It's a speed and leverage game now. Some teams have 315 lb very quick footed OL. Those teams number in the tens.
2015 Offensive Line Depth (pre-season)
LT
Storm Norton 6-8,310
Brant Weiss 6-6,280
Alex Pfeiffer 6-5,292
LG
Paul Perschon 6-6,310
Sami Kassem 6-4,320
Darius Bradford 6-2,320
C
Nate Jepperson 6-3,292
Bill Weber 6-4, 305
Bryce Harris 6-5,285
RG
Ruben Carter 6-4,306
Yazeed Atariwa 6-4,300
Ramon Miles 6-4,271
RT
Mike Ebert 6-6,292
Elijah Nkansah 6-5,295
Jordan Fair 6-5,281
(01-16-2023 08:12 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]2015 Offensive Line Depth (pre-season)
LT
Storm Norton 6-8,310
Brant Weiss 6-6,280
Alex Pfeiffer 6-5,292
LG
Paul Perschon 6-6,310
Sami Kassem 6-4,320
Darius Bradford 6-2,320
C
Nate Jepperson 6-3,292
Bill Weber 6-4, 305
Bryce Harris 6-5,285
RG
Ruben Carter 6-4,306
Yazeed Atariwa 6-4,300
Ramon Miles 6-4,271
RT
Mike Ebert 6-6,292
Elijah Nkansah 6-5,295
Jordan Fair 6-5,281
Campbel's last year? Lost to NIU, WMU. Beat Temple in Bowl. NIU had 4/20 OL over 300 (one at 370). OL as low as 230. Ave and Median 280, general ht 6'3"-6'5" agile and quick.
Finding the relevant metrics that aren't apples and oranges is tough. I'll stick with the need for quick and fast. They're not going to out muscle or out lard without grabbing and getting penalites. Slow feet gets penalties. Knowing someone is capable of running around you causes false starts. A 320-340 lump is not going to out-perform a 280-305 quick on QB reads. Maybe 3 inches from the line, but Candle is just going to over think that anyhow and run a pass.
The big p5 have a lock on most of those really big OL that are also muscle and quick. Get the quality you can or that are motivated and can be trained.
(01-16-2023 01:36 PM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Eric Faasen 6-9 253 other tackle Nick Kazur 6-5 320 (pro career-Patriots)
Had one OL that was on the roster during the Pinkel years that was 6-10 320 (never played) but coaches said he looked good coming off the bus !!
I think you meant 353 for Faasen. Wasn't he the guy with the fake punt run for about 60 yards for Toledo? Guessing at the yards, but seem to remember it being Faasen when the ball was snapped to him and he took off. Can't remember who it was against - thought it was CMU.
(01-17-2023 09:07 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023 01:36 PM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Eric Faasen 6-9 253 other tackle Nick Kazur 6-5 320 (pro career-Patriots)
Had one OL that was on the roster during the Pinkel years that was 6-10 320 (never played) but coaches said he looked good coming off the bus !!
I think you meant 353 for Faasen. Wasn't he the guy with the fake punt run for about 60 yards for Toledo? Guessing at the yards, but seem to remember it being Faasen when the ball was snapped to him and he took off. Can't remember who it was against - thought it was CMU.
It was CMU !!
I was at that game when Faasen, all 353 pounds of him rumbled for that 17 yards …
He still might have the highest yards per carry average in UT history !!
(01-18-2023 09:28 AM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2023 09:07 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2023 01:36 PM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Eric Faasen 6-9 253 other tackle Nick Kazur 6-5 320 (pro career-Patriots)
Had one OL that was on the roster during the Pinkel years that was 6-10 320 (never played) but coaches said he looked good coming off the bus !!
I think you meant 353 for Faasen. Wasn't he the guy with the fake punt run for about 60 yards for Toledo? Guessing at the yards, but seem to remember it being Faasen when the ball was snapped to him and he took off. Can't remember who it was against - thought it was CMU.
It was CMU !!
I was at that game when Faasen, all 353 pounds of him rumbled for that 17 yards …
He still might have the highest yards per carry average in UT history !!
I thought it was in 2001 - the week after the week of 9/11. I looked at the stats for that game - and no yardage shown for Faasen. I was at that game and thought it was in that game it happened.
I then looked at 2000 and 2002 - nothing there either (would have been in Toledo and I know it didn't happen in the Glass Bowl) Then found it in 2003 up in Mount Pleasant. I was at the game, but somehow got it confused with the 2001 game - which I remembered very well. Was back up there in 2005 - a game we lost and started a long losing streak against CMU.
Man, it sure seemed like it was for 60 yards, maybe because he was 10 yards deep when he took the snap and ran for enough time that a running back would have had 60...
I looked at the box score of that game - and it showed Faasen with 1 carry and 22 yards rushing.
Found
Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
(01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
Thanks for info
Marshall is a "leftover" as they were not part of Conference USA's mass exodus to the AAC. Marshall perceived a major upgrade going to C-USA but now C-USA has Kennesaw State. The times they are a changin' and Marshall could have had better rivalries with the MAC. UT and MU had a great intense rivalry in late 90's and early 2000's. They never again developed the fan interest they had while in the MAC.
Go Rockets!
(01-22-2023 05:50 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
Thanks for info
Marshall is a "leftover" as they were not part of Conference USA's mass exodus to the AAC. Marshall perceived a major upgrade going to C-USA but now C-USA has Kennesaw State. The times they are a changin' and Marshall could have had better rivalries with the MAC. UT and MU had a great intense rivalry in late 90's and early 2000's. They never again developed the fan interest they had while in the MAC.
Go Rockets!
I didn't realize they had so fallen off the rails. Part of me says "Yay!" and part "that's a shame." They had a .... rabid fanbase.
(01-22-2023 08:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 05:50 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
Thanks for info
Marshall is a "leftover" as they were not part of Conference USA's mass exodus to the AAC. Marshall perceived a major upgrade going to C-USA but now C-USA has Kennesaw State. The times they are a changin' and Marshall could have had better rivalries with the MAC. UT and MU had a great intense rivalry in late 90's and early 2000's. They never again developed the fan interest they had while in the MAC.
Go Rockets!
I didn't realize they had so fallen off the rails. Part of me says "Yay!" and part "that's a shame." They had a .... rabid fanbase.
Marshall is in the Sun Belt. Pretty good conference.
(01-22-2023 05:50 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
Thanks for info
Marshall is a "leftover" as they were not part of Conference USA's mass exodus to the AAC. Marshall perceived a major upgrade going to C-USA but now C-USA has Kennesaw State. The times they are a changin' and Marshall could have had better rivalries with the MAC. UT and MU had a great intense rivalry in late 90's and early 2000's. They never again developed the fan interest they had while in the MAC.
Go Rockets!
I do not like marshall at all. I hope they rot forever at the bottom of cusa
(01-22-2023 09:32 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 08:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 05:50 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
Thanks for info
Marshall is a "leftover" as they were not part of Conference USA's mass exodus to the AAC. Marshall perceived a major upgrade going to C-USA but now C-USA has Kennesaw State. The times they are a changin' and Marshall could have had better rivalries with the MAC. UT and MU had a great intense rivalry in late 90's and early 2000's. They never again developed the fan interest they had while in the MAC.
Go Rockets!
I didn't realize they had so fallen off the rails. Part of me says "Yay!" and part "that's a shame." They had a .... rabid fanbase.
Marshall is in the Sun Belt. Pretty good conference.
Gross error on my part.... My bad. Looks like I owe MU an apology
Bad post.
Should do more research before making a post.
(01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
They lost to Marshall the week after beating Notre Dame in South Bend. No verification that Candle coached Marshall the week before the BG game...
(01-26-2023 07:40 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
They lost to Marshall the week after beating Notre Dame in South Bend. No verification that Candle coached Marshall the week before the BG game...
Who "they" beat Notre Dame, then lost to Marshall? I'm SO confused. I'm suspecting snark with the actors accidently reversed.
(01-22-2023 09:56 PM)Babes boy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 05:50 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2023 01:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]Marshal just offered two Toledo area OLs. Eh, Marshall lost to BG in OT, they probably couldn't have made the team at UT under Candle anyhow.
Thanks for info
Marshall is a "leftover" as they were not part of Conference USA's mass exodus to the AAC. Marshall perceived a major upgrade going to C-USA but now C-USA has Kennesaw State. The times they are a changin' and Marshall could have had better rivalries with the MAC. UT and MU had a great intense rivalry in late 90's and early 2000's. They never again developed the fan interest they had while in the MAC.
Go Rockets!
I do not like marshall at all. I hope they rot forever at the bottom of cusa
Me too. Hate(d) them back in the day. It made for a great rivalry and games.
Go Rockets!