(01-20-2022 07:25 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 09:02 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 08:51 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, don't blame us for wanting to go to a place where the can no longer say "but they don't play anybody."
Oh are you in for a surprise
I tried to be nice, but I'll rephrase...
Don't blame us for wanting to go to a place where they can no longer say "but some of their wins are against USF, Temple and Tulane."
Listen. I’m one of those that have kept saying those leaving are going to a better situation but I’m also tired of hearing some of those leaving acting like they are going to SEC or BigTen. The fact is that none of the remaining Big12 teams have ever made playoffs, so those in power will still say hey well they beat Kansas, Kansas State etc. so yes it will look better than the AAC but you will still be dismissed by those pumping the SEC and BigTen. This while at the same time talking doom and gloom about those remaining in the AAC.
This is why I said earlier the split can’t come soon enough, because we all need to move on.
(01-19-2022 04:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.
As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025.
Great stuff ACoog. But again, I don't understand any criticism [beyond trolling] about making less money in the B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma when the AAC has its own revenue issues to deal with moving forward. Good luck with the hoops product FWIW. That really started when UConn bolted.
You know who Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans sound like right now?
Boise, UCF, and TCU fans when they were all off to the Big East and were going to make soooooooo much money and be part of a BCS conference. TCU made it, by switing to an actual p5.
Meanwhile you are bragging about a deal that IF you make it in (remember play off expansion was guarenteed) you don't get paid and a hypothetical contract from 2025 onward for a big 12 who will have to survive over a 50% value drop and any raids by the PAC to up their own contract before the B12 comes up.
To be fair, I think Houston is likely to turn out to be the lucky dog TCU in this situation and end up in the PAC, of course it's just as likely that team is SMU. But beyond the fact we know you won't get paid out of this contract the rest is just speculation about how three urban schools are going to add massive value to Stillwater, Manhattan (Ks), and Ames not a lot of value in those metros. Considering Houston and Cincy don't even dominate their cities the way OU or Texas do states it's unlikely you are adding enough value to make it anywhere close to the numbers you all like to trot out.
But carry on.
Oh and I wasn't wrong about alignment, when the announcement was made I said this seems like a dumb move. Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans crowed about getting B12 money and being autonomous (which every conference will be shortly). I said let's wait for the actual deal. Turns out you don't get big 12 money and you'll have to wait and hope espn doesn't kneecap what's left of the B12 in 2025 or you'll be begging the same AAC teams you did last time to join and save Cincy from getting to big for its britches and being left behind with no home again. Also it seems pretty obvious the Sugar bowl like the Orange before it plans on dropping the big time conference that got demoted
right as you can get in the conference to qualify.
History repeats for those to stubborn to learn its lessons.
(01-20-2022 10:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.
As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025.
Great stuff ACoog. But again, I don't understand any criticism [beyond trolling] about making less money in the B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma when the AAC has its own revenue issues to deal with moving forward. Good luck with the hoops product FWIW. That really started when UConn bolted.
You know who Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans sound like right now?
Boise, UCF, and TCU fans when they were all off to the Big East and were going to make soooooooo much money and be part of a BCS conference. TCU made it, by switing to an actual p5.
Meanwhile you are bragging about a deal that IF you make it in (remember play off expansion was guarenteed) you don't get paid and a hypothetical contract from 2025 onward for a big 12 who will have to survive over a 50% value drop and any raids by the PAC to up their own contract before the B12 comes up.
To be fair, I think Houston is likely to turn out to be the lucky dog TCU in this situation and end up in the PAC, of course it's just as likely that team is SMU. But beyond the fact we know you won't get paid out of this contract the rest is just speculation about how three urban schools are going to add massive value to Stillwater, Manhattan (Ks), and Ames not a lot of value in those metros. Considering Houston and Cincy don't even dominate their cities the way OU or Texas do states it's unlikely you are adding enough value to make it anywhere close to the numbers you all like to trot out.
But carry on.
Oh and I wasn't wrong about alignment, when the announcement was made I said this seems like a dumb move. Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans crowed about getting B12 money and being autonomous (which every conference will be shortly). I said let's wait for the actual deal. Turns out you don't get big 12 money and you'll have to wait and hope espn doesn't kneecap what's left of the B12 in 2025 or you'll be begging the same AAC teams you did last time to join and save Cincy from getting to big for its britches and being left behind with no home again. Also it seems pretty obvious the Sugar bowl like the Orange before it plans on dropping the big time conference that got demoted right as you can get in the conference to qualify.
History repeats for those to stubborn to learn its lessons.
LMAO!! Don’t try to change history and cover how wrong you were. Should I go back and quote evry post where you said I was wrong when I told you the Big 12 was going to fold? Or should I quote the posts where you were adamant the AAC was going to poach the Big 12?
And literally every source with knowledge has said the TV deal won’t go below $15 million a year at worst.
And no the sugar bowl has no plans of dropping the big 12, but please keep pulling things out of thin air.
You really are just a bitter Tulsa fan it’s fun watching you continuously be wrong about everything.
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(01-20-2022 10:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.
As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025.
Great stuff ACoog. But again, I don't understand any criticism [beyond trolling] about making less money in the B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma when the AAC has its own revenue issues to deal with moving forward. Good luck with the hoops product FWIW. That really started when UConn bolted.
You know who Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans sound like right now?
Boise, UCF, and TCU fans when they were all off to the Big East and were going to make soooooooo much money and be part of a BCS conference. TCU made it, by switing to an actual p5.
Meanwhile you are bragging about a deal that IF you make it in (remember play off expansion was guarenteed) you don't get paid and a hypothetical contract from 2025 onward for a big 12 who will have to survive over a 50% value drop and any raids by the PAC to up their own contract before the B12 comes up.
To be fair, I think Houston is likely to turn out to be the lucky dog TCU in this situation and end up in the PAC, of course it's just as likely that team is SMU. But beyond the fact we know you won't get paid out of this contract the rest is just speculation about how three urban schools are going to add massive value to Stillwater, Manhattan (Ks), and Ames not a lot of value in those metros. Considering Houston and Cincy don't even dominate their cities the way OU or Texas do states it's unlikely you are adding enough value to make it anywhere close to the numbers you all like to trot out.
But carry on.
Oh and I wasn't wrong about alignment, when the announcement was made I said this seems like a dumb move. Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans crowed about getting B12 money and being autonomous (which every conference will be shortly). I said let's wait for the actual deal. Turns out you don't get big 12 money and you'll have to wait and hope espn doesn't kneecap what's left of the B12 in 2025 or you'll be begging the same AAC teams you did last time to join and save Cincy from getting to big for its britches and being left behind with no home again. Also it seems pretty obvious the Sugar bowl like the Orange before it plans on dropping the big time conference that got demoted right as you can get in the conference to qualify.
History repeats for those to stubborn to learn its lessons.
Hey bud, you know who you sound like???? You sound like Marshall and USM fans when UCF, Houston etc were moving to the Big East. Sure we know what happened to them........ they may not have gotten the P5 label at the time or bowl tie in...... but they did get the access bowl most years, make quite a bit more money than the left behind CUSA schools, and even had CFP representation this year.
Those left behind CUSA schools currently feel like its Christmas when the get the opportunity to be on TV for a single game during the season.
So carry on.... make fun of the schools that are leaving.....like you said......history repeats for those stubborn to learn its lessons.......Tulsa fan, look no further than the CUSA that was left behind.
Maybe is time for threads like this one to be moved to the Big12 board. As we all head into 2022 lame duck season I see this board becoming more divided and more antagonist.
I wish those leaving the best and is time for everyone to move on.
(01-20-2022 11:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe is time for threads like this one to be moved to the Big12 board. As we all head into 2022 lame duck season I see this board becoming more divided and more antagonist.
I wish those leaving the best and is time for everyone to move on.
This thread topic directly impacts the AAC?
Same topic is on the Big 12 board where division alignment and scheduling is primarily being discussed. No talk/discussion of whether the Big XII was a good move for the 3 universities or whether the Big XII is better than the American.
(01-20-2022 11:50 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2022 11:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe is time for threads like this one to be moved to the Big12 board. As we all head into 2022 lame duck season I see this board becoming more divided and more antagonist.
I wish those leaving the best and is time for everyone to move on.
This thread topic directly impacts the AAC?
Same topic is on the Big 12 board where division alignment and scheduling is primarily being discussed. No talk/discussion of whether the Big XII was a good move for the 3 universities or whether the Big XII is better than the American.
Obviously a thread like this on a Big12 board would go differently than on this board.
It was a suggestion if you want to continue as is, go right ahead but dont be surprised when the posts from both sides get nastier.
I just wish they would keep it to a thread here and there but every single thread on this forum turns into a circle jerk between the 3 schools.....and yes they will come back look another Tulsa fan....
(01-20-2022 11:57 AM)TUCandoit Wrote: [ -> ]I just wish they would keep it to a thread here and there but every single thread on this forum turns into a circle jerk between the 3 schools.....and yes they will come back look another Tulsa fan....
You are correct. And as much as they keep complaining about the negative posts about the Big12 on this board, many of them are doing the same about the new AAC.
That’s the reason that I said maybe Big12 news should be on that board and not here. If they want to discuss that they can do it there.
(01-20-2022 11:57 AM)TUCandoit Wrote: [ -> ]I just wish they would keep it to a thread here and there but every single thread on this forum turns into a circle jerk between the 3 schools.....and yes they will come back look another Tulsa fan....
Don’t think anyone has a problem with you or Tulsa fans in general. Just one that goes out of his way to be negative despite evidence to the contrary.
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(01-20-2022 11:57 AM)TUCandoit Wrote: [ -> ]I just wish they would keep it to a thread here and there but every single thread on this forum turns into a circle jerk between the 3 schools.....and yes they will come back look another Tulsa fan....
Unlike...oh say...Tulane winning basketball games?
(01-20-2022 10:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.
As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025.
Great stuff ACoog. But again, I don't understand any criticism [beyond trolling] about making less money in the B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma when the AAC has its own revenue issues to deal with moving forward. Good luck with the hoops product FWIW. That really started when UConn bolted.
You know who Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans sound like right now?
Boise, UCF, and TCU fans when they were all off to the Big East and were going to make soooooooo much money and be part of a BCS conference. TCU made it, by switing to an actual p5.
Meanwhile you are bragging about a deal that IF you make it in (remember play off expansion was guarenteed) you don't get paid and a hypothetical contract from 2025 onward for a big 12 who will have to survive over a 50% value drop and any raids by the PAC to up their own contract before the B12 comes up.
To be fair, I think Houston is likely to turn out to be the lucky dog TCU in this situation and end up in the PAC, of course it's just as likely that team is SMU. But beyond the fact we know you won't get paid out of this contract the rest is just speculation about how three urban schools are going to add massive value to Stillwater, Manhattan (Ks), and Ames not a lot of value in those metros. Considering Houston and Cincy don't even dominate their cities the way OU or Texas do states it's unlikely you are adding enough value to make it anywhere close to the numbers you all like to trot out.
But carry on.
Oh and I wasn't wrong about alignment, when the announcement was made I said this seems like a dumb move. Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans crowed about getting B12 money and being autonomous (which every conference will be shortly). I said let's wait for the actual deal. Turns out you don't get big 12 money and you'll have to wait and hope espn doesn't kneecap what's left of the B12 in 2025 or you'll be begging the same AAC teams you did last time to join and save Cincy from getting to big for its britches and being left behind with no home again. Also it seems pretty obvious the Sugar bowl like the Orange before it plans on dropping the big time conference that got demoted right as you can get in the conference to qualify.
History repeats for those to stubborn to learn its lessons.
Come on…Tulsa barely averages 20,000 a game in football and what 7,000 maybe in basketball…you have never been relevant…you don’t move the needle..why the AAC invited Tulsa is a mystery..
(01-20-2022 12:22 PM)uchoops Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2022 10:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.
As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025.
Great stuff ACoog. But again, I don't understand any criticism [beyond trolling] about making less money in the B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma when the AAC has its own revenue issues to deal with moving forward. Good luck with the hoops product FWIW. That really started when UConn bolted.
You know who Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans sound like right now?
Boise, UCF, and TCU fans when they were all off to the Big East and were going to make soooooooo much money and be part of a BCS conference. TCU made it, by switing to an actual p5.
Meanwhile you are bragging about a deal that IF you make it in (remember play off expansion was guarenteed) you don't get paid and a hypothetical contract from 2025 onward for a big 12 who will have to survive over a 50% value drop and any raids by the PAC to up their own contract before the B12 comes up.
To be fair, I think Houston is likely to turn out to be the lucky dog TCU in this situation and end up in the PAC, of course it's just as likely that team is SMU. But beyond the fact we know you won't get paid out of this contract the rest is just speculation about how three urban schools are going to add massive value to Stillwater, Manhattan (Ks), and Ames not a lot of value in those metros. Considering Houston and Cincy don't even dominate their cities the way OU or Texas do states it's unlikely you are adding enough value to make it anywhere close to the numbers you all like to trot out.
But carry on.
Oh and I wasn't wrong about alignment, when the announcement was made I said this seems like a dumb move. Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans crowed about getting B12 money and being autonomous (which every conference will be shortly). I said let's wait for the actual deal. Turns out you don't get big 12 money and you'll have to wait and hope espn doesn't kneecap what's left of the B12 in 2025 or you'll be begging the same AAC teams you did last time to join and save Cincy from getting to big for its britches and being left behind with no home again. Also it seems pretty obvious the Sugar bowl like the Orange before it plans on dropping the big time conference that got demoted right as you can get in the conference to qualify.
History repeats for those to stubborn to learn its lessons.
Come on…Tulsa barely averages 20,000 a game in football and what 7,000 maybe in basketball…you have never been relevant…you don’t move the needle..why the AAC invited Tulsa is a mystery..
I'll never understand the add and from our time in the same conference, is the only school I'll root against if I come across their games. You'd think they were Oklahoma or Nebraska based on their fans here.
I'll definitely still follow and generally root for of all the other orginal AAC schools + UAB. This conference grew into a lot more than most had anticipated during the early years and interested to see where the conference as a whole goes from here. See you soon Memphis!
(01-20-2022 11:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe is time for threads like this one to be moved to the Big12 board. As we all head into 2022 lame duck season I see this board becoming more divided and more antagonist.
I wish those leaving the best and is time for everyone to move on.
from posts like yours and forever.... you literally started this thread with an antagonistic post
from attacks on the remaining teams from teams leaving have only been counter attacks from bitter post (with wrong information) about the leaving teams...
the majority of posters that are leaving have been respectful of this league, most are even rooting for its success
(01-20-2022 01:11 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2022 11:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe is time for threads like this one to be moved to the Big12 board. As we all head into 2022 lame duck season I see this board becoming more divided and more antagonist.
I wish those leaving the best and is time for everyone to move on.
from posts like yours and forever.... you literally started this thread with an antagonistic post
from attacks on the remaining teams from teams leaving have only been counter attacks from bitter post (with wrong information) about the leaving teams...
the majority of posters that are leaving have been respectful of this league, most are even rooting for its success
Wow, really? Tell me where on this thread have I done that. I will repeat for the 1000th time. I think those leaving made the right choice, I think that the new Big12 is better and will pay more than the AAC.
What I am tired of, is the posters that come on this board all giddy about the fact they are leaving and that they are going to a conference that will be the same or better than what it is with OU and UT. That’s what I have called out. Funny also that is ok on an AAC board for some to continually point out that the AAC is losing “ it’s three best teams” and that the incoming are weak but it becomes an attack to point out that the Big 12 is losing its best two teams and that those replacing them are not on same level.
I wish all of those leaving the best as I have said before but I will call out those that want to make it a circle jerk gloat while putting down that are staying. If that doesn’t apply to you or others posting then you don’t have to worry about what I post.
So if that’s the way posters are going to behave on this board, get ready because 2022-23 is going to be a wild ride on this board.
I’m giddy we are leaving. Tough.
This thread is the bomb.
As an UCF fan I have enjoyed my time in the AAC and wish and think they will do fine moving forward. While it will take a step backwards, it will again become the King of the G5 or maybe even a tweener like had in reality become.
I am also excited about the move to the B12, and yes, the B12 will take a step back from where it was with TX and OK in the fold. I don't think it is losing P5/A5 status and expect new TV deal in the High teens to 20 mil.
(01-20-2022 02:11 PM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]This thread is the bomb.
As an UCF fan I have enjoyed my time in the AAC and wish and think they will do fine moving forward. While it will take a step backwards, it will again become the King of the G5 or maybe even a tweener like had in reality become.
I am also excited about the move to the B12, and yes, the B12 will take a step back from where it was with TX and OK in the fold. I don't think it is losing P5/A5 status and expect new TV deal in the High teens to 20 mil.
Agree 100% with what you have said
(01-20-2022 12:51 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2022 12:22 PM)uchoops Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2022 10:40 AM)Foreverandever Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2022 04:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.
As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025.
Great stuff ACoog. But again, I don't understand any criticism [beyond trolling] about making less money in the B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma when the AAC has its own revenue issues to deal with moving forward. Good luck with the hoops product FWIW. That really started when UConn bolted.
You know who Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans sound like right now?
Boise, UCF, and TCU fans when they were all off to the Big East and were going to make soooooooo much money and be part of a BCS conference. TCU made it, by switing to an actual p5.
Meanwhile you are bragging about a deal that IF you make it in (remember play off expansion was guarenteed) you don't get paid and a hypothetical contract from 2025 onward for a big 12 who will have to survive over a 50% value drop and any raids by the PAC to up their own contract before the B12 comes up.
To be fair, I think Houston is likely to turn out to be the lucky dog TCU in this situation and end up in the PAC, of course it's just as likely that team is SMU. But beyond the fact we know you won't get paid out of this contract the rest is just speculation about how three urban schools are going to add massive value to Stillwater, Manhattan (Ks), and Ames not a lot of value in those metros. Considering Houston and Cincy don't even dominate their cities the way OU or Texas do states it's unlikely you are adding enough value to make it anywhere close to the numbers you all like to trot out.
But carry on.
Oh and I wasn't wrong about alignment, when the announcement was made I said this seems like a dumb move. Houston, UCF, and Cincy fans crowed about getting B12 money and being autonomous (which every conference will be shortly). I said let's wait for the actual deal. Turns out you don't get big 12 money and you'll have to wait and hope espn doesn't kneecap what's left of the B12 in 2025 or you'll be begging the same AAC teams you did last time to join and save Cincy from getting to big for its britches and being left behind with no home again. Also it seems pretty obvious the Sugar bowl like the Orange before it plans on dropping the big time conference that got demoted right as you can get in the conference to qualify.
History repeats for those to stubborn to learn its lessons.
Come on…Tulsa barely averages 20,000 a game in football and what 7,000 maybe in basketball…you have never been relevant…you don’t move the needle..why the AAC invited Tulsa is a mystery..
I'll never understand the add and from our time in the same conference, is the only school I'll root against if I come across their games. You'd think they were Oklahoma or Nebraska based on their fans here.
I'll definitely still follow and generally root for of all the other orginal AAC schools + UAB. This conference grew into a lot more than most had anticipated during the early years and interested to see where the conference as a whole goes from here. See you soon Memphis!
Happy for the Big 12 adds and more power to you. Geographically the Big12 never would work for an ECU, but I would have loved for you guys to stay.
With that being said, I've read quite of bit information on multiple variables that can affect the outcome on numerous scenarios with the future of college football. I would advise at this point not to count your chickens on the Big12 deal.
There are landmines everywhere in the next 3 years to navigate that can effect everyone. Primarily media contracts, realignment, and the Big12 really has poor leadership. You may be wiser to count eggs!!
