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(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

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(10-14-2021 08:56 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC should take two from CUSA and two from SBC.

UAB, GSU, ASU, FAU.

This way it would push CUSA and SBC to regionalize what is left over. 20 total schools for two conferences of 10.

If regionalization like that occurred I’d hope App would try to schedule regular H&Hs with Louisiana and stAte.

Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

(10-14-2021 08:54 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 07:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 01:16 PM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 12:48 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 12:35 PM)everyone Wrote: [ -> ]I really wish UAB would back off of the AAC. UAB, USM, Marshall, LT to SB is a powerplay and puts the SB in a position of strength vs the AAC.

I was told today that the AAC is back in the market train. UAB is 100% in, Charlotte, FAU and one other are strong possibilities.

USM and Marshall are holding informal invites right now.

USM and Marshal are holding invites to the SBC?

Not an official invite no. There is a general agreement with USM that an invite will arrive whenever they signal they are ready.

I don't think Marshall has anything similar, though there are certainly several scenarios where they get the other spot.

. . . wait . . . what? ? Marshall’s back in play? The whiplash will snap heardfan129’s neck . . .

I don't know that Marshall has ever been "out of play" from the actual decision makers standpoint. I know there's been talks with the SBC and I know there is some general interest from Marshall. I do think a lot of things have to fall in to place before we would join the SBC though.

We are definitely in play for the AAC, but I don't think we get invited.

I think us joining the SBC depends on which teams the AAC poaches from CUSA and whether or not the MWC takes any of the Texas teams off of our hands.

There's positives and negatives to joining the SBC and same for staying in CUSA. I like that the SBC schools are football first, but I'm not sure we have a lot in common (from the mission of our Universities standpoint) outside of that.....but maybe I'm wrong.

Either way, I'll cheer for Marshall wherever we end up.

(10-14-2021 08:56 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC should take two from CUSA and two from SBC.

UAB, GSU, ASU, FAU.

This way it would push CUSA and SBC to regionalize what is left over. 20 total schools for two conferences of 10.

Knowing the SBC, I don't think that would do it. The league simply fills those slots and moves on.

There's too many available options, and too much opposition to regionalization in this league.

(10-14-2021 08:54 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 07:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 01:16 PM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 12:48 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 12:35 PM)everyone Wrote: [ -> ]I really wish UAB would back off of the AAC. UAB, USM, Marshall, LT to SB is a powerplay and puts the SB in a position of strength vs the AAC.

I was told today that the AAC is back in the market train. UAB is 100% in, Charlotte, FAU and one other are strong possibilities.

USM and Marshall are holding informal invites right now.

USM and Marshal are holding invites to the SBC?

Not an official invite no. There is a general agreement with USM that an invite will arrive whenever they signal they are ready.

I don't think Marshall has anything similar, though there are certainly several scenarios where they get the other spot.

. . . wait . . . what? ? Marshall’s back in play? The whiplash will snap heardfan129’s neck . . .

I never said they were out, I said that the league was considering alternatives if the AAC went after the Herd.

(10-14-2021 10:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:58 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:56 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC should take two from CUSA and two from SBC.

UAB, GSU, ASU, FAU.

This way it would push CUSA and SBC to regionalize what is left over. 20 total schools for two conferences of 10.

If regionalization like that occurred I’d hope App would try to schedule regular H&Hs with Louisiana and stAte.

Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

(10-14-2021 10:34 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:54 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 07:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 01:16 PM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 12:48 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]I was told today that the AAC is back in the market train. UAB is 100% in, Charlotte, FAU and one other are strong possibilities.

USM and Marshall are holding informal invites right now.

USM and Marshal are holding invites to the SBC?

Not an official invite no. There is a general agreement with USM that an invite will arrive whenever they signal they are ready.

I don't think Marshall has anything similar, though there are certainly several scenarios where they get the other spot.

. . . wait . . . what? ? Marshall’s back in play? The whiplash will snap heardfan129’s neck . . .

I don't know that Marshall has ever been "out of play" from the actual decision makers standpoint. I know there's been talks with the SBC and I know there is some general interest from Marshall. I do think a lot of things have to fall in to place before we would join the SBC though.

We are definitely in play for the AAC, but I don't think we get invited.

I think us joining the SBC depends on which teams the AAC poaches from CUSA and whether or not the MWC takes any of the Texas teams off of our hands.

There's positives and negatives to joining the SBC and same for staying in CUSA. I like that the SBC schools are football first, but I'm not sure we have a lot in common (from the mission of our Universities standpoint) outside of that.....but maybe I'm wrong.

Either way, I'll cheer for Marshall wherever we end up.

Mission as in research based universities? The SBC is littered with research universities. USM would be another if added. Just not many metro based ones if that's what you mean? But Huntington isn't exactly metro, so I'm a bit confused at what you mean here?

(10-14-2021 08:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 07:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 07:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 01:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]My hunch is USM is basically at a handshake deal but the administration wants to let the AAC thing play out.

Remember CUSA 3.0 up until immediately preceding the vote was expected to be a one team or two team addition, not six.

Nothing lost in waiting

Arkstfan,

I'm totally lost here. What vote? Who's a one team or two addition? The AAC or the SB?

CUSA got clogged up and six teams when one or two was the talk until the last minute.

AAC has some of those same players. Why jump before you know for sure.

Same thing basically happened in the big WAC expansion to 16. If I remember correctly---that was originally only supposed to be a 2 team expansion and instead ended up ballooning the conference to 16.

That is correct. Still amuses me thinking what it must have been like for Benson getting hired by a 10 team conference that says they are going to 12 going back home to get ready to move and getting a call saying hey we added six.

(10-14-2021 11:54 PM)TealNation Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 10:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:58 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:56 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC should take two from CUSA and two from SBC.

UAB, GSU, ASU, FAU.

This way it would push CUSA and SBC to regionalize what is left over. 20 total schools for two conferences of 10.

If regionalization like that occurred I’d hope App would try to schedule regular H&Hs with Louisiana and stAte.

Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

App is the only true rival we have in the SBC, App is the only school within 5 hours of Huntington. App is one of only two SBC football programs that most Marshall fans have a history with.

I get it that you guys are only looking through SBC glasses, but the only thing the SBC has that's an improvement over CUSA is App football and ESPN.

(10-14-2021 11:54 PM)TealNation Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 10:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:58 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:56 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC should take two from CUSA and two from SBC.

UAB, GSU, ASU, FAU.

This way it would push CUSA and SBC to regionalize what is left over. 20 total schools for two conferences of 10.

If regionalization like that occurred I’d hope App would try to schedule regular H&Hs with Louisiana and stAte.

Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

As a Marshall fan and Alumn and someone who has lived in Huntington my whole life surrounded by Marshall fans. We would want App, GaSouthern and Coastal for sure.

(10-15-2021 10:15 AM)GreenBison Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 11:54 PM)TealNation Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 10:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:58 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: [ -> ]If regionalization like that occurred I’d hope App would try to schedule regular H&Hs with Louisiana and stAte.

Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

As a Marshall fan and Alumn and someone who has lived in Huntington my whole life surrounded by Marshall fans. We would want App, GaSouthern and Coastal for sure.

It would be a good fit. I did not anticipate the academic snobbery from one of your fans but there's one in every crowd.

(10-13-2021 11:07 PM)cyc46 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2021 06:27 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ]

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(10-13-2021 04:19 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]USM needs to be seen by boosters as at least trying to get into a league with the AAC schools somehow.

Smart thinking. Thanks.

I think most have come over to the idea of the Sunbelt. Be nice if we could join up and have a period of stability and growth.

Who are you bringing with you?

Honestly don’t know. Us UAB and Marshall seem to have great relationships but I think both of them are eyeing the AAC. From everything I’ve seen I’m for JMU and ODU if UAB and Marshall are out.

Marshall cant afford the AAC IMO. We belong in the SBC and I am hoping it happens sooner than later.

(10-15-2021 09:52 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 11:54 PM)TealNation Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 10:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:58 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: [ -> ]If regionalization like that occurred I’d hope App would try to schedule regular H&Hs with Louisiana and stAte.

Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

App is the only true rival we have in the SBC, App is the only school within 5 hours of Huntington. App is one of only two SBC football programs that most Marshall fans have a history with.

I get it that you guys are only looking through SBC glasses, but the only thing the SBC has that's an improvement over CUSA is App football and ESPN.

I actually think most are looking at Marshall historically as a football first school and a small rural area like many in the SBC, who are also football first, and that being why Marshall is a good fit.

However I could honestly not care less anymore if Marshall got the invite. I want Southern Miss in the SBC more than anything. If Marshall, JMU, Missouri State, WKU, Jacksonville State, Kennesaw State, ETSU for example are the 2nd I'm cool with it.

(10-13-2021 11:48 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]I’m hearing UAB is getting cold feet. Mainly due to future instability of the AAC. They want to be in a league with Memphis. The AAC is less appealing to them if Memphis isn’t there.

The real question is, is it worth the exit/entrance fee to join a league as a short term solution?

The SBC is the most stable G5 conference and is continuing to improve. I’m sure there are discussions ongoing between who the SBC and AAC are willing to take on. But there is an outside chance the SBC adds 4. Most likely 2, I’m just ready for it to be over….at least for another 3-5 years.

I'd be interested to know where you're hearing that, because I haven't heard that at all.

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(10-15-2021 11:09 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2021 09:52 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 11:54 PM)TealNation Wrote: [ -> ]

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(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

App is the only true rival we have in the SBC, App is the only school within 5 hours of Huntington. App is one of only two SBC football programs that most Marshall fans have a history with.

I get it that you guys are only looking through SBC glasses, but the only thing the SBC has that's an improvement over CUSA is App football and ESPN.

I actually think most are looking at Marshall historically as a football first school and a small rural area like many in the SBC, who are also football first, and that being why Marshall is a good fit.

However I could honestly not care less anymore if Marshall got the invite. I want Southern Miss in the SBC more than anything. If Marshall, JMU, Missouri State, WKU, Jacksonville State, Kennesaw State, ETSU for example are the 2nd I'm cool with it.

I'd think the majority of Marshall fans would be open to playing other SBC schools not named App but then again, I don't know the full picture of the fan base. That being said there are certainly some other solid adds to pair with USM if they were to join, to fit the identity the SBC is trying to go after.

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(10-13-2021 11:48 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]I’m hearing UAB is getting cold feet. Mainly due to future instability of the AAC. They want to be in a league with Memphis. The AAC is less appealing to them if Memphis isn’t there.

The real question is, is it worth the exit/entrance fee to join a league as a short term solution?

The SBC is the most stable G5 conference and is continuing to improve. I’m sure there are discussions ongoing between who the SBC and AAC are willing to take on. But there is an outside chance the SBC adds 4. Most likely 2, I’m just ready for it to be over….at least for another 3-5 years.

I'd be interested to know where you're hearing that, because I haven't heard that at all.

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I’m not hearing that either. UAb wants those AAC basketball matchups, that unfortunately won’t be there once they actually join the AAC. Memphis will be the only one, and who knows how long they may actually be there.

(10-15-2021 11:48 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2021 11:18 AM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2021 11:48 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]I’m hearing UAB is getting cold feet. Mainly due to future instability of the AAC. They want to be in a league with Memphis. The AAC is less appealing to them if Memphis isn’t there.

The real question is, is it worth the exit/entrance fee to join a league as a short term solution?

The SBC is the most stable G5 conference and is continuing to improve. I’m sure there are discussions ongoing between who the SBC and AAC are willing to take on. But there is an outside chance the SBC adds 4. Most likely 2, I’m just ready for it to be over….at least for another 3-5 years.

I'd be interested to know where you're hearing that, because I haven't heard that at all.

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I’m not hearing that either. UAb wants those AAC basketball matchups, that unfortunately won’t be there once they actually join the AAC. Memphis will be the only one, and who knows how long they may actually be there.

Memphis has been the next call up for decades. I believe they're in the Big 12 when it happens.

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(10-15-2021 11:51 AM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2021 11:48 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2021 11:18 AM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2021 11:48 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]I’m hearing UAB is getting cold feet. Mainly due to future instability of the AAC. They want to be in a league with Memphis. The AAC is less appealing to them if Memphis isn’t there.

The real question is, is it worth the exit/entrance fee to join a league as a short term solution?

The SBC is the most stable G5 conference and is continuing to improve. I’m sure there are discussions ongoing between who the SBC and AAC are willing to take on. But there is an outside chance the SBC adds 4. Most likely 2, I’m just ready for it to be over….at least for another 3-5 years.

I'd be interested to know where you're hearing that, because I haven't heard that at all.

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I’m not hearing that either. UAb wants those AAC basketball matchups, that unfortunately won’t be there once they actually join the AAC. Memphis will be the only one, and who knows how long they may actually be there.

Memphis has been the next call up for decades. I believe they're in the Big 12 when it happens.

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Is there really anyone in the current CUSA or SBC that wets the appetite for UAb in basketball??? You guys were top 25 with Memphis, Cincinnati and Louisville on the schedule. Now you guys play F_U, UNT and UTSA, that’s just sad.

(10-15-2021 11:09 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2021 09:52 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(10-14-2021 09:06 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]Well the SBC if it lost App State would have a more difficult time recruiting someone like Marshall or ODU to join.

You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

App is the only true rival we have in the SBC, App is the only school within 5 hours of Huntington. App is one of only two SBC football programs that most Marshall fans have a history with.

I get it that you guys are only looking through SBC glasses, but the only thing the SBC has that's an improvement over CUSA is App football and ESPN.

I actually think most are looking at Marshall historically as a football first school and a small rural area like many in the SBC, who are also football first, and that being why Marshall is a good fit.

However I could honestly not care less anymore if Marshall got the invite. I want Southern Miss in the SBC more than anything. If Marshall, JMU, Missouri State, WKU, Jacksonville State, Kennesaw State, ETSU for example are the 2nd I'm cool with it.

I'm an East Tennessean at heart (the region, not the school) so I would love for ETSU to make the jump, however, I think that there is a fairly clear line of demarcation between JMU and other FCS calls up, with JMU having over twice the budget of ETSU, and about double that of Missouri St.

If it is USM plus one, I'm wondering if it would be a more western school and then send USA to the east, but budget wise, JMU, ODU or FAU might be the better options.

Athletically speaking (with budget as a consideration), UNT back to the Sun Belt makes some sense, as does WKU.

(I recognize that I am not a normal Sun Belt forum poster and just along for the ride in terms of conference realignment stuff. I don't mean to disparage any school, and I don't know what kind of relationships the Sun Belt has with especially UNT after they left.)

(10-14-2021 10:49 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2021 08:54 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(10-14-2021 12:48 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote: [ -> ]I was told today that the AAC is back in the market train. UAB is 100% in, Charlotte, FAU and one other are strong possibilities.

USM and Marshall are holding informal invites right now.

USM and Marshal are holding invites to the SBC?

Not an official invite no. There is a general agreement with USM that an invite will arrive whenever they signal they are ready.

I don't think Marshall has anything similar, though there are certainly several scenarios where they get the other spot.

. . . wait . . . what? ? Marshall’s back in play? The whiplash will snap heardfan129’s neck . . .

I never said they were out, I said that the league was considering alternatives if the AAC went after the Herd.

That is correct . . . and, I never said that you said they were out . . .

. . . more my commenting on herdfan129’s “position” . . .

. . . the: we’re coming to the Belt

No, we’re off to the AAC

And we’re back to the belt . . . . If it doesn’t give him whiplash, it may have so affected me . . .

(10-15-2021 11:58 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2021 11:09 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(10-14-2021 10:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]You misspelled "impossible".

So Marshall would only join the SBC just to play App in football? That's a bit weird. Isn't App the main one that wants Marshall? Ga Southern to an extent too? Coastal is on board for the large amount of West Virgina transplants in the area. Not too sure of the ties to anyone else?

App is the only true rival we have in the SBC, App is the only school within 5 hours of Huntington. App is one of only two SBC football programs that most Marshall fans have a history with.

I get it that you guys are only looking through SBC glasses, but the only thing the SBC has that's an improvement over CUSA is App football and ESPN.

I actually think most are looking at Marshall historically as a football first school and a small rural area like many in the SBC, who are also football first, and that being why Marshall is a good fit.

However I could honestly not care less anymore if Marshall got the invite. I want Southern Miss in the SBC more than anything. If Marshall, JMU, Missouri State, WKU, Jacksonville State, Kennesaw State, ETSU for example are the 2nd I'm cool with it.

I'm an East Tennessean at heart (the region, not the school) so I would love for ETSU to make the jump, however, I think that there is a fairly clear line of demarcation between JMU and other FCS calls up, with JMU having over twice the budget of ETSU, and about double that of Missouri St.

If it is USM plus one, I'm wondering if it would be a more western school and then send USA to the east, but budget wise, JMU, ODU or FAU might be the better options.

Athletically speaking (with budget as a consideration), UNT back to the Sun Belt makes some sense, as does WKU.

(I recognize that I am not a normal Sun Belt forum poster and just along for the ride in terms of conference realignment stuff. I don't mean to disparage any school, and I don't know what kind of relationships the Sun Belt has with especially UNT after they left.)

Welcome aboard! Leave all the disparaging of former belt scabs to the professionals

All sarcasm aside, hasn't ETSU only had the football program up a running for like 3-4 years now? (I know they've built a new stadium and from a few games I've watched looks quaint). I dunno if they're ready for an FBS jump though