(06-11-2021 03:43 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2021 01:38 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2021 08:20 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2021 07:19 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]There are only two things that would put UCONN above the others mentioned:
1) They are in ESPN’s back yard
2) Their $89,000,000 budget
JMU over UMASS and Liberty every day of the week and twice on Sundays
No reasonable or unbiased person would put JMU above Liberty or UCONN. Like it or not, perception is half the battle. UCONN is a former P5 with lots of name recognition.
Liberty has proven to be a solid FBS program while JMU is still swimming in the kiddie pool.
Yep!
UConn recently made a big move to rejoin the Big East. As good a chance that they drop football altogether then try to move conferences again.
Yep. At best, UMass and UConn go back to FCS. College football in the northeast just isn’t supported outside of Penn St. The NFL reigns supreme in that part of the country.
UMass and UConn both passed on conference affiliation that favored football for conferences they felt aided basketball. That tells you all you need to know about their football future.
Why can't JMU join FBS independent while keeping the other sports in the CAA until they find a home? CAA Football is separate from the CAA.
Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
(06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
(06-12-2021 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
I can’t really say any more than that. I just see people going down the same rabbit hole day after day. And many seem to parrot a narrative that those making decisions have their heads in the sand (or worse). They don’t. There is much focus and activity and there is much to consider beyond football.
(06-12-2021 10:31 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
I can’t really say any more than that. I just see people going down the same rabbit hole day after day. And many seem to parrot a narrative that those making decisions have their heads in the sand (or worse). They don’t. There is much focus and activity and there is much to consider beyond football.
yep. as i have said time and again, we bring more to the table than football and fcs is not the anchor most on here think it is.
(06-12-2021 10:31 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
I can’t really say any more than that. I just see people going down the same rabbit hole day after day. And many seem to parrot a narrative that those making decisions have their heads in the sand (or worse). They don’t. There is much focus and activity and there is much to consider beyond football.
So if it isn't football then it has to be BB. No conference is going to drive their decision on softball or WLAX or soccer. It's football or basketball. Those others may be influencers and are 'icings on the cake' but a conference is going to look at revenue sports primarily and everything else is tertiary.
(06-12-2021 10:31 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
I can’t really say any more than that. I just see people going down the same rabbit hole day after day. And many seem to parrot a narrative that those making decisions have their heads in the sand (or worse). They don’t. There is much focus and activity and there is much to consider beyond football.
Your statement jives w/ Earl Watford's tweet the other day:
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Again. From an alum who played football. The ladies will be the reason we make that jump!"
I want to be clear- I love this message board. I may visit this site more than any other I frequent. I learn a lot here and enjoy reading peoples’ opinions. There are some real hardcore Dukes on here and, ultimately, we all love JMU. I think its important from time to time to remind the more casual fan that the sky isn’t falling and those in charge of JMU athletics aren’t all incompetents hell bent on tanking our athletic program.
There is quite literally no CAA4Life movement. The CAA is horrible and we need to leave for many reasons. Let’s just say, that’s a universally accepted premise. I have no idea, at this point where we will end up but we will end up somewhere else.
Be honest with yourselves. How many conference realignments have happened in the last 20 years based on another sport other than football? Only one I can think of is the Big East for basketball, but that’s a totally different beast than what some of you are promoting here.
(06-12-2021 12:21 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]Be honest with yourselves. How many conference realignments have happened in the last 20 years based on another sport other than football? Only one I can think of is the Big East for basketball, but that’s a totally different beast than what some of you are promoting here.
Well I think was TX is getting at is that it's not just football where JMU wants the hell out of the CAA. Which I think is very good to hear, I'd like to be somewhere where winning the conference tourney in basketball doesn't mean a 16 seed and where the sports we're strong in face actual competition. A conference where going 34-1 in softball with a 17-0 conference championship win doesn't leave everyone going "yeah they're 34-1 but they didn't play anybody."
Yeah JMU isn't gonna make a conference move based primarily on softball and women's lacrosse, but hopefully they find a way to upgrade in all sports instead of just taking care of football while leaving everything else in a conference where a good season means we stomp everyone on flo sports and then get criminally underseeded.
I don't think TX meant it as in other sports are what will primarily get us the invite, he meant football isn't the only sport where the CAA isn't good enough.
(06-11-2021 03:46 PM)JMad03 Wrote: [ -> ]So far, JMU's athletics brand is stronger than it ever has been. Does anyone doubt that? And we've done it by not making moves that many thought would be the end of donations and JMU athletics as we knew it.
They've been successful despite the CAA being a ghost of what it once was.
You can say this validates a stay in the CAA, but I wholeheartedly disagree. We are already way ahead of our CAA foes, yet we continue to grow and continue to set ourselves apart. Our admin openly rejects the media deal. We speak out against things that screw us instead of remaining complicit. Those aren't things you do or say when your plan is to forever stay and be fat and happy as the big fish in the small pond.
As much as I hate to say it, JMU (so far) has made the best moves and non-moves for us. They have yet to make a decision or not make a decision that puts us in a struggling position. ODU cannot say the same.
Some of those decisions looked bad at the time and had me screaming for change. Whether it be dumb luck or a calculated decision, they were right.
These next few years may be the absolute most important ones. A change has to be made, but now isn't the time. The end of the media deals are going to lead to many, many changes. Until that happens, we are stuck.
I have been against going Indy, but even that should be on the table. However, it needs to be a last option for no other reason than it is far riskier than going to a conference.
Can you explain to me the HUGE risk in going indy?
(06-12-2021 08:52 AM)hburg Wrote: [ -> ]Why can't JMU join FBS independent while keeping the other sports in the CAA until they find a home? CAA Football is separate from the CAA.
Yes, we can do that, and should do exactly that!
(06-12-2021 10:31 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
I can’t really say any more than that. I just see people going down the same rabbit hole day after day. And many seem to parrot a narrative that those making decisions have their heads in the sand (or worse). They don’t. There is much focus and activity and there is much to consider beyond football.
Then please explain why We the Mushrooms are being kept in the dark on all of these developments that you seem to be privy to. Why can't the rest of us just be told what the hell is going on, what direction we are headed? Is that too much to ask?
(06-12-2021 04:24 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 12:21 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: [ -> ]Be honest with yourselves. How many conference realignments have happened in the last 20 years based on another sport other than football? Only one I can think of is the Big East for basketball, but that’s a totally different beast than what some of you are promoting here.
Well I think was TX is getting at is that it's not just football where JMU wants the hell out of the CAA. Which I think is very good to hear, I'd like to be somewhere where winning the conference tourney in basketball doesn't mean a 16 seed and where the sports we're strong in face actual competition. A conference where going 34-1 in softball with a 17-0 conference championship win doesn't leave everyone going "yeah they're 34-1 but they didn't play anybody."
Yeah JMU isn't gonna make a conference move based primarily on softball and women's lacrosse, but hopefully they find a way to upgrade in all sports instead of just taking care of football while leaving everything else in a conference where a good season means we stomp everyone on flo sports and then get criminally underseeded.
I don't think TX meant it as in other sports are what will primarily get us the invite, he meant football isn't the only sport where the CAA isn't good enough.
Ahhhhh ok. I def agree with you all from that perspective.
(06-12-2021 04:42 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 10:31 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
I can’t really say any more than that. I just see people going down the same rabbit hole day after day. And many seem to parrot a narrative that those making decisions have their heads in the sand (or worse). They don’t. There is much focus and activity and there is much to consider beyond football.
Then please explain why We the Mushrooms are being kept in the dark on all of these developments that you seem to be privy to. Why can't the rest of us just be told what the hell is going on, what direction we are headed? Is that too much to ask?
Mushrooms require it to be dark in order to fruit
(06-12-2021 04:34 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2021 03:46 PM)JMad03 Wrote: [ -> ]So far, JMU's athletics brand is stronger than it ever has been. Does anyone doubt that? And we've done it by not making moves that many thought would be the end of donations and JMU athletics as we knew it.
They've been successful despite the CAA being a ghost of what it once was.
You can say this validates a stay in the CAA, but I wholeheartedly disagree. We are already way ahead of our CAA foes, yet we continue to grow and continue to set ourselves apart. Our admin openly rejects the media deal. We speak out against things that screw us instead of remaining complicit. Those aren't things you do or say when your plan is to forever stay and be fat and happy as the big fish in the small pond.
As much as I hate to say it, JMU (so far) has made the best moves and non-moves for us. They have yet to make a decision or not make a decision that puts us in a struggling position. ODU cannot say the same.
Some of those decisions looked bad at the time and had me screaming for change. Whether it be dumb luck or a calculated decision, they were right.
These next few years may be the absolute most important ones. A change has to be made, but now isn't the time. The end of the media deals are going to lead to many, many changes. Until that happens, we are stuck.
I have been against going Indy, but even that should be on the table. However, it needs to be a last option for no other reason than it is far riskier than going to a conference.
Can you explain to me the HUGE risk in going indy?
People have covered the risks plenty, and sure indy is working out for some other schools but that doesn't mean it isn't a risk... However I would think it's more of a risk if you go with the "go indy if we get left out" mindset. Doing it before we get left out helps make sure we don't get left out, doing it after we get left out makes it much more likely that it really needs to be sustainable for more than a couple years.
I don't think it'll happen, but if it is a possibility then I think sooner makes more sense than later.
(06-12-2021 04:42 PM)Purple Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 10:31 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 09:19 AM)TXGiant Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone ever stop and consider that football may not be the driving sport behind making a conference move?
Go on
I can’t really say any more than that. I just see people going down the same rabbit hole day after day. And many seem to parrot a narrative that those making decisions have their heads in the sand (or worse). They don’t. There is much focus and activity and there is much to consider beyond football.
Then please explain why We the Mushrooms are being kept in the dark on all of these developments that you seem to be privy to. Why can't the rest of us just be told what the hell is going on, what direction we are headed? Is that too much to ask?
Transparent communication about conference positioning is all I have ever asked...what are we trying to accomplish and what are we doing to give us the best chances to realize the vision?
There is an online DNR article (very recent) about the likely changes to the CFP that offer G5s a chance to compete. All JB says this will lead to dialogue at the G5 level...Ya think? Is JB still unable to speak on the issue like some have suggested?
Is JMU full tilt trying to ensure JMU is involved in the coming changes is what we want to know. If yes, why not say it?
I think you should go play golf with JB again. Have some brews, chat about JMU, and get a feel on what the man is thinking off the record. If I remember correctly, I think last time you had some sort of revelation.
Wouldn't we all like to be able to have off record conversations with Jeff Bourne? Most of us can't. I can't.
Are athletic plans at JMU max sensitive top secret to the point they cannot be shared with anyone outside the bov and top five donors?
High level wish list plans, not detailed phone logs, just at what are we pointed?