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(05-19-2022 06:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 11:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 10:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 03:49 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]Did you wear gloves regularly during 10 visits to 5 drop in ballot boxes each, with each ballot box getting multiple ballots?

Come to think of it, yes!!!

Awesome. Video that response and send it my way. I’m all in to catch a little reward money extra.

They will say anything to avoid admitting their side cheated.

Lighten up, Francis.

I've lost 67 pounds. Light enough yet? 297 -> 230.

fact is, you and lad are searching for any explanation (notice I didn't say plausible) to say it didn't happen. maybe this, maybe that, to explain why people would make multiple trips to multiple drop boxes to drop off multiple mail in votes while wearing gloves and then remove them once the votes were dropped. people are doing life without parole on proof like that.

Follow the science.

Of course, this kind of stuttering explanation is coming from some of the same people who brought the myth that Trump was a Putin puppet and supported a three year investigation into it. makes these fairy tale explanations particularly galling.

I did note your "admission", and it did bring a smile to my face, but it was not particularly helpful. So to you, and lad, I would say, "get real".

(05-18-2022 05:08 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]You're the one dodging and weaving to avoid being wrong - my God, the lack of self-awareness is astounding. You're even making up quotes to try and "prove" that you're right.

Laughable. Dodge, parry

Quote:For starters, your first post was about "people handling food," which is why I asked for clarification on what you meant because of how common it is to call someone who is serving food a "food handler." I wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing, since I wasn't sure if you had misunderstood me.

I was directly responding to your comment about grocery stores. Grocery stores by definition have food. As I said, grocers handle food; Patrons of grocers handle food. I even explained how I personally wore a SINGLE glove and why... because I didn't want to touch food that had been touched by numerous others and then touch my wallet and debit card. For me to bring up any other context of 'handling food' would be to deflect and dodge. I did not. I made up no quotes whatsoever, and you know it. Quit lying. I have made it quite clear that I did not in any way misunderstand what you wrote. You even admit this later.

Quote:You're now accusing me of being evasive because I asked for clarification on your post, and I've provided clarification on mine.

Not remotely the same thing, Lad. I needed no clarification of yours.... obviously. You simply now claim that you didn't mean what you wrote. That's not on me.

Quote:Seriously, you're accusing me of being evasive because, as I admitted, I didn't specify that I was speaking of patrons in the original post and NOT grocery store employees and I'm now telling you what I meant. And you're also trying to argue that my initial post was meant to be limited, and not just an example of an activity that occurred more broadly (like what 93 posted about).

Nope, Never said anything like this. I told you that I addressed both patrons and employees of the store. You are being evasive because you ignore the differences between 'what you do' when going to a grocery store and 'what you do' when voting or dropping off ballots. THIS is what I said, and what you CONTINUE to ignore, focusing instead upon something that doesn't exist. The only limitation I mentioned was that you only mentioned grocery stores, so I only responded about grocery stores. It doesn't mean it couldn't apply in other contexts. This is you dodging again. I spoke about handling food because you spoke about grocery stores. That doesn't limit the conversation, it simply keeps it in the context that YOU chose.

If you asked about grocery stores and I changed the context to restaurants, THAT would have been wrong... because the situations/how you act/what you do there isn't the same. People wore nitrile gloves to serve your food at restaurants LONG BEFORE the pandemic.

So even when you try and deflect things back to me, you fail.

Quote:Second, here is the first time I said anything about a glove shortage, to which you pushed back initially, arguing that there wasn't a shortage in January.

Quote:I don’t even live in that big of a city, but I saw plenty of people wearing them. So much so, that there was even a national shortage…

Did you or did you not say what I quoted? The above comment doesn't in any way conflict with the other. You may be talking about the same period, or they could be different periods... but you ABSOLUTELY said that 'demand around the election caused a shortage'. That's what you said. It is unclear and immaterial if you were referring to the same 'demand' above or a different 'demand'. LOGIC would imply that it was a 'different' demand, since the demand that caused the shortage was driven by the pandemic which began many months before the election... hence my supposition that you meant a second wave. Either way, your comment that 'demand around the election caused a shortage' is patently false. It doesn't matter if you meant a first or second wave. Demand around the election didn't cause a shortage. The pandemic caused a shortage. Once again, you say something wrong and its my fault for reacting to what you said??

Quote:You were clearly off on your timing because January 2020, prior to the pandemic, isn't relevant to the discussion of November 2020. But I digress...

Dude... 1) I didn't say it started in January... I think I said feb-april, which was NOT 'prior to the pandemic'. If I mentioned January, it was because in January, I had no trouble receiving supplies for centers I was opening in February. The fact that you have to lie again about what I said to try and make your weak point is telling.
2) Any conflation I made between the periods was the result of YOUR now admitted (in the next line) poorly worded comment. You said the election in November caused the shortage, but the shortage began in Feb-April. You're blaming me for something you clearly caused??? Typical

Quote:You're now in this weird gotcha attempt about an, admittedly, poorly worded follow up about the high demand around election time causing a shortage. The point I was trying to make is regardless of the election timing. My point was that average people were wearing nitrile gloves during 2020 - that it was not uncommon. And that went well up through the election (I'd probably peg it at mid-year 2021 when the first dose of vaccine roll outs were mostly done). Whether or not it was difficult to get gloves isn't germane.

So your comment that demand around the election caused a shortage wasn't only poorly worded, but not germane. I appreciate the admission, but I am AMAZED at how you've turned this around on me. I didn't make the poorly worded and non-germane comment... YOU did... so why am I the 'bad guy' here? Oh yeah, because I responded to what you said and then noticed when you tried to change what you said.

Yes, as I said, I think you absolutely intended to imply that things were 'worse' around the election in order to make your opinion about this guy wearing gloves seem even more reasonable... and the problem for you now is that you realize that you can't support what you actually wrote... so you're trying to walk it back, but still somehow blame ME for your 'poorly worded' and 'non-germane' comments?? You can't make this sort of **** up.

Quote:If it makes you feel better, I can remove any reference to a shortage of PPE - whether and when there was a shortage is not at all the most important issue here, yet you feel the need to gnaw on it aggressively. A lack of a shortage (perhaps because supply increased!) doesn't change the logic that's present - which is that regular people did wear nitriles out in public to avoid touching things with bare hands.

I do think the simplest answer as to why someone accessing a public drop box in the middle of a pandemic, especially pre-vaccine, is that they were being overly cautious and avoiding touching common objects. I say that because I saw many, many examples of it during the pandemic. Again, it looks like we had very different pandemic experiences, since you say you did not see that.

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Sure... and I addressed this... but you STILL can't explain why this person made multiple drops. As I said, you've taken ONE action (the wearing of gloves) and acted as if that is the only 'unusual' thing. As I said many posts ago... it is the COMBINATION of actions that creates the suspicion. One person wearing gloves dropping off one ballot would not be that unusual at all. That is your scenario. One person dropping off 20? A little suspicious, but still okay. Wearing gloves? A little more suspicious, but okay... Doing it numerous times? Hmmmm... Doing it in numerous jurisdictions?? Okay, NOW I've got questions. You?? Nope, its all just normal. That's a pretty strange set of events. Does it PROVE anything? Of course not. It COULD be a simple strange confluence of events... but it's hardly the simplest answer.... especially when you note that it wasn't just this one guy doing this... but was instead numerous.

You're right that the shortage makes no difference, since also as I said, this guy apparently had no trouble getting them. The simplest answer there to ME is that the whole reason you made this 'poorly worded comment' was that you were trying to 'up the ante' in terms of how bad things were with the pandemic around the election... which serves the sole purpose of making someone wearing gloves even less suspicious. That's why you said it, and you know it. The problem is, there is more to it than that...

I wonder if you'd think it were the simplest answer if Trump had won by a few thousand votes in numerous jurisdictions? I'm betting not.

(05-19-2022 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-19-2022 06:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 11:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 10:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 03:49 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]Come to think of it, yes!!!

Awesome. Video that response and send it my way. I’m all in to catch a little reward money extra.

They will say anything to avoid admitting their side cheated.

Lighten up, Francis.

I've lost 67 pounds. Light enough yet? 297 -> 230.

fact is, you and lad are searching for any explanation (notice I didn't say plausible) to say it didn't happen. maybe this, maybe that, to explain why people would make multiple trips to multiple drop boxes to drop off multiple mail in votes while wearing gloves and then remove them once the votes were dropped. people are doing life without parole on proof like that.

Follow the science.

Of course, this kind of stuttering explanation is coming from some of the same people who brought the myth that Trump was a Putin puppet and supported a three year investigation into it. makes these fairy tale explanations particularly galling.

I did note your "admission", and it did bring a smile to my face, but it was not particularly helpful. So to you, and lad, I would say, "get real".

plus...I heard some of the mules were smoking...so there was smoke...you know what that means...

(05-18-2022 06:12 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2022 12:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Again, haven't followed this thread so not co-opting anything beyond what I said... but People wearing nitrile gloves who are handling food vs people wearing gloves handling ballots is not REMOTELY the same thing.

When you mean handling food, you’re talking about serving it to others? Or are you talking about picking up shopping items, like boxes of cereal, laundry detergent, bananas, etc?

In this line, did you not see people wearing nitriles when they were out and about at other stores? I saw people in clothing stores wearing them, and there was nary a piece of food to handle in sight. I picked a grocery store because it was the most common public place that most of us went during the pre-vaccine time period.

People, pre-vaccine, managed risk differently. And some people would go the whole nine yards - nitriles, masks, face shields, etc., and that had nothing to do with keeping their finger prints off of things.

Maybe things were very different in Texas, though.

Sure, the person could have been wearing the gloves to keep their fingerprints off of the ballots. I think it’s equally (or more) likely that they were wearing them because it was the early stages of the pandemic (e.g., pre-vaccine).

so...you thought OJ was innocent...okaybee then...

(05-18-2022 06:35 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2022 02:11 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2022 12:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2022 05:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2022 01:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Because they were done handling an envelope someone else had touched? Perhaps they picked them up from family members who didn’t live in the same household, so they used gloves to handle them. Perhaps it was even more people (and idk the law or the state, so maybe that is problematic in and of itself).

But the first thought in the middle of a pandemic that someone wearing nitriles is to cover up finger prints doesn’t seem as believable as they were worried about COVID. Remember, people washed their groceries at some point because we didn’t yet understand how the virus spread…

I didn’t respond because I thought the answer was incredibly obvious.

Sure, and the guy climbing through the window could have just been avoiding touching a doorjamb that somebody who may have been infected may have touched. yeah, that's it. Completely innocent and obvious.

Use Occam's Razor. Stop depending on convoluted reasoning and calling it obvious.

Of course you want to defend the Blue Team, but let's keep it reasonable.

I have said from the beginning that even if there was cheating, it was successful. Admitting you cheated will not mean one of the Ga. Senators will have to quit.

Hard to believe the guy who believed the Russia scam on the basis of smoke stretches to find any possible far out explanation for this.

maybe it was the expiration date of the gloves.

It boggles my mind that you think a “far out explanation” for someone wearing nitrile gloves in public is that there was a global pandemic.

Honest question - did you go to a big city before vaccines were available? If so, did you not witness someone wearing nitrile gloves in say, the grocery store?

I don’t even live in that big of a city, but I saw plenty of people wearing them. So much so, that there was even a national shortage…

Yeah, Occam’s Razor is that these people were part of an elaborate plan to cheat an election and not have their fingerprints on ballots that never would have been traced back to them… Christ.

Also, note that I am admittedly focusing on one element, because it stuck out to me as being obviously doubtful. The other evidence seems much more reasonable, so please don’t fall down Tanq’s path and start exaggerating what I am saying to try and win points. It’s a cheap method to deploy.

You retort is quite humorous....

(05-13-2022 08:58 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]<whiny stuff about exagerrating to win points>.... preceded by "ELABORATE plan ".

Please do tell what us so fing "elaborate" about muling votes?

Btw love the self-caricature nature if your whiny complaint. Lolz. You really have to work hard to match yourself on that one.... double lolz

Honest Question, Lad, since you brought it up: if someone 'innocently' 'dropping off ballots for sick relatives' (even though those same people have been documented as repeatedly dropping off multiple ballots on multiple consecutive days at multiple dropbox locations 30, 40 or even more miles from each other over the course of two or more week periods, and many of them were documented to be from out of the state where they just "happened" to spend those two weeks dropping hundreds of ballots off over and over)) okay that's not my question here, because it is not even laughable that anyone would be so gullible to actually believe such utter nonsense, but even to post about it and expect others to...but nevertheless, IF we ignore that giant burrito, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS: why did these mules who were "so concerned" about the alleged "global pandemic (run for yo' lives!) that they HAD to wear nitrile gloves at their dropoffs not to hide their fingerprints but to AVOID CONTRACTING, CATCHING or Spreading The ChinaVirus (as you alleged above) why then did they immediately dispose of these gloves every time in garbage cans that most on video are shown to never have even looked at before they stuffed their multiple ballots in the dropboxes? If the were so "cponcerned" about the alleged "pandemic" and thus were wearing nitrile gloves all the time, why didn't they keep them on? Or if they needed to dispose of them then and there, why did they merrily skip along their ways without immediately putting new gloves on? (Magic: ChinaVirus go away after ballot-stuff in dropbox?) I mean, over and over again. And WHY did all the nitrile glove-wearing of all the mules documented just "happen" to start wearing them all on the EXACT SAME DAY during their ballot-stuffing activities (documented by govt hundreds of cameras)? They all watch CNN and comply with the dictates of their overlords is just happenstance? I mean, even for you, this is a new low of stupidity.

Fact: paid mules stuffed ballots into thousands of boxes. Fact: government video cameras captured theses illegal activities Fact: the elections ere compromised. Fact: using a very high standard where most of the actual mules are not even counted, there is enough illegal ballot-stuffing activity shown and admissible into court as evidence to change the outcome of the election results. Fact: there are other election irregularities documented as alleged "ballots" printed on the wrong paper and/or plain paper, checksums and check marks for calibration way off or non-existent on alleged "ballots", allegedly "mailed in" ballots with no fold marks magically getting thru the postal system over days of handling with zero fold marks on them, et cetera, et cetera...The fact that the uni-party members want to sweep this under the rug yet again (it has been happening for decades) does not negate the facts that it did happen and it did affect the outcome of the elections.

I always thought that people wearing nitriles out in public was over the top, so I can’t speak to the mental gymnastics of when to wear them and when to take them off. But if I had to, I think someone touching an object handled by literally hundreds of people (public drop box) might take off the gloves once they’re done touching it to so they don’t, in their mind, cross contaminate their own property (car door, cell phone, etc). In my line of work, I wear nitriles a lot and we take them off after we’ve touched something that might result in cross-contamination.

Regardless, I know the some people were overly intense and wore nitriles as an extra level of precaution.

Just because you (or I) don’t agree with wearing nitrile gloves in these instances has no bearing on whether or not people actually did that.

But sure, Occam’s Razor is that the person videoed wearing gloves is trying to hide their fingerprints as part of organized election fraud. When someone is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Picture of RiceLad found, folks:


RiceLad in his now former job (identifying as craycray) (AP Getter-outta-here Images)

lock her up

Smoke!

This may be germane to the question of whether or not Democrats will cheat...

High turnout…

…indicates new election laws are not suppressing voters.

Images from surveillence video of woman droppng a large stack of ballots for an electon dropbox in Detroit in 2000 election. How many "family members" does she have? Loooks like over 20 or more at least. Hmmmmmmm. Yet another stunning video clip from the Wayne County, MI drop box surveillance footage of the fraudulently claimed "most secure election ever." Yeah sure, right.

link: BREAKING: Detroit Surveillance Footage Shows Woman Dropping Large Stack of Absentee Ballot Envelopes Into Drop Box On Day Before 2020 Election, While Woman Accompanying Her Appears To Be Filming

For the record, according to Michigan law, nursing home employees or nurses are NOT allowed to deliver absentee ballots on behalf of patients to drop boxes or voting centers. But she sure seemed to be careful to take phone videos of dropping all the ballots in the dropbox so they'd get paid for each and every one, which is also illegal.

(05-27-2022 08:37 AM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]Breaking: Yuma County School Board Member Set To Plead Guilty For 2020 Election Ballot Trafficking Crimes As Exposed In “2000 Mules”- State Senate Candidate Gary Snyder Who Busted the Fraud Weighs In (VIDEO)

Quote:Guillermina Fuentes, the Gadsden Elementary School District Board Member and Ex-Mayor of San Luis, Arizona, will appear in court next Thursday for a plea hearing.

Fuentes was indicted for trafficking ballots in San Luis, Arizona,

Quote:She was originally scheduled to appear on May 12, 2022, and plead “not guilty,” however, the plea has been changed because of the evidence presented in True The Vote’s “2000 Mules

Wait...she didn't get the memo/talking points from the DNC and Chicoms that all this was fake news? Why doesn't she plead that in court?
Oh, because the fraud that STOLE the election is TRUE. But, but, muh Lad...

CISA Releases Much-Anticipated CISA Report on Dominion Voting Machines

Report Reveals Software Is Exploitable and Attackers Are Able to Insert Malicious Code to Alter Results.

But...wait...Dems and RINOs swore that was not possible???
Data has been out since before the stolen 2020 Election that showed that people suspected and then provided proof that the machines were able to be manipulated and that alleged vote tabulatons could not be trusted and were subject to fraud.

Last Saturday, CNN admitted that Dominion Voting Machine Software has flaws that can be exploited. Federal authorities also finally admitted to this truth last Saturday during the long holiday weekend, when they thought no one would be paying attention.

The report shows that software could be leveraged by an attacker to gain elevated privileges and to install malicious code.



Now, how many posters here and Dems have shouted repeatedly this was not so? But now the government says it is and that they are wrong and those are not conspiracy theories after all, but actual facts?

I know most of you here don’t like GO, and the farther left you vote, the more you dislike him, but I haven’t heard one peep disproving his allegations.

It appears to be an article of faith with some of you that there was no significant cheating.

Just saying”no” proves nothing, even if said in a loud chorus.

I think there may been significant cheating inGeorgia, at least. I have no doubt that most Democrats would be OK with it, since most democrats seem OK with any means to achieve what they consider good ends. For example, the member of Congress who has threatened to blow up the the filibuster, and if that fails, to pack the court, to get the gun control he wants.


Aside: I think Democrats will be very happy with the filibuster after November.

(06-04-2022 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you here don’t like GO, and the farther left you vote, the more you dislike him, but I haven’t heard one peep disproving his allegations.

It appears to be an article of faith with some of you that there was no significant cheating.

Just saying”no” proves nothing, even if said in a loud chorus.

I think there may been significant cheating inGeorgia, at least. I have no doubt that most Democrats would be OK with it, since most democrats seem OK with any means to achieve what they consider good ends. For example, the member of Congress who has threatened to blow up the the filibuster, and if that fails, to pack the court, to get the gun control he wants.


Aside: I think Democrats will be very happy with the filibuster after November.

He has created a boy who cries wolf situation for himself. He routinely posts so much incredible garbage here that if he happens to post some valid things they will likely be assumed to be garbage. I have Zero interest in digging through all of his poorly-sourced garbage in order to determine if there happens to be some interspersed valid information.

(06-04-2022 10:01 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you here don’t like GO, and the farther left you vote, the more you dislike him, but I haven’t heard one peep disproving his allegations.

It appears to be an article of faith with some of you that there was no significant cheating.

Just saying”no” proves nothing, even if said in a loud chorus.

I think there may been significant cheating inGeorgia, at least. I have no doubt that most Democrats would be OK with it, since most democrats seem OK with any means to achieve what they consider good ends. For example, the member of Congress who has threatened to blow up the the filibuster, and if that fails, to pack the court, to get the gun control he wants.


Aside: I think Democrats will be very happy with the filibuster after November.

He has created a boy who cries wolf situation for himself. He routinely posts so much incredible garbage here that if he happens to post some valid things they will likely be assumed to be garbage. I have Zero interest in digging through all of his poorly-sourced garbage in order to determine if there happens to be some interspersed valid information.

The hallmark of a closed mind is a refusal to look or listen.

My position after the election was that even if there was cheating, it was successful. The first line of defense against against allegations of cheating is the wholesale refusal to admit to even the possibility of cheating. The MSM routinely refers to “Trump’s lies”, as though the falsehood is a given, and the veracity of the election is proven.

I don’t know. But I am negatively impressed by the position that what is reported is the gospel, truth, so STFU, we are not listening.

(06-04-2022 10:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:01 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you here don’t like GO, and the farther left you vote, the more you dislike him, but I haven’t heard one peep disproving his allegations.

It appears to be an article of faith with some of you that there was no significant cheating.

Just saying”no” proves nothing, even if said in a loud chorus.

I think there may been significant cheating inGeorgia, at least. I have no doubt that most Democrats would be OK with it, since most democrats seem OK with any means to achieve what they consider good ends. For example, the member of Congress who has threatened to blow up the the filibuster, and if that fails, to pack the court, to get the gun control he wants.


Aside: I think Democrats will be very happy with the filibuster after November.

He has created a boy who cries wolf situation for himself. He routinely posts so much incredible garbage here that if he happens to post some valid things they will likely be assumed to be garbage. I have Zero interest in digging through all of his poorly-sourced garbage in order to determine if there happens to be some interspersed valid information.

The hallmark of a closed mind is a refusal to look or listen.

My position after the election was that even if there was cheating, it was successful. The first line of defense against against allegations of cheating is the wholesale refusal to admit to even the possibility of cheating. The MSM routinely refers to “Trump’s lies”, as though the falsehood is a given, and the veracity of the election is proven.

I don’t know. But I am negatively impressed by the position that what is reported is the gospel, truth, so STFU, we are not listening.

But the veracity of the election has been proven. Most, if not all, law suits have been thrown out.

Even with all of the focus by many groups and people central to Republican politics, there has not been a credible example of proven election fraud. Just suspicion and anecdotes that don’t have an airtight story.

The person who is dedicated to reading and sharing every conspiracy theory will be in a better position to defend those theories than those who aren’t in so deep. And even when there is pushback on obvious issues with theories, issues that are just as plausible as massive voter fraud, conservative posters here seem more interested in the theory of fraud.

Even this most recent claim from GoodOwl is that the Dominion machines could be hacked, not that they were.

Quote: The ImageCast X can be configured to allow a voter to produce a paper record or to record votes electronically. While these vulnerabilities present risks that should be mitigated as soon as possible, CISA has no evidence that these vulnerabilities have been exploited in any elections.

(05-27-2022 08:43 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

Images from surveillence video of woman droppng a large stack of ballots for an electon dropbox in Detroit in 2000 election. How many "family members" does she have? Loooks like over 20 or more at least. Hmmmmmmm. Yet another stunning video clip from the Wayne County, MI drop box surveillance footage of the fraudulently claimed "most secure election ever." Yeah sure, right.

link: BREAKING: Detroit Surveillance Footage Shows Woman Dropping Large Stack of Absentee Ballot Envelopes Into Drop Box On Day Before 2020 Election, While Woman Accompanying Her Appears To Be Filming

For the record, according to Michigan law, nursing home employees or nurses are NOT allowed to deliver absentee ballots on behalf of patients to drop boxes or voting centers. But she sure seemed to be careful to take phone videos of dropping all the ballots in the dropbox so they'd get paid for each and every one, which is also illegal.

(05-27-2022 08:37 AM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]Breaking: Yuma County School Board Member Set To Plead Guilty For 2020 Election Ballot Trafficking Crimes As Exposed In “2000 Mules”- State Senate Candidate Gary Snyder Who Busted the Fraud Weighs In (VIDEO)

Quote:Guillermina Fuentes, the Gadsden Elementary School District Board Member and Ex-Mayor of San Luis, Arizona, will appear in court next Thursday for a plea hearing.

Fuentes was indicted for trafficking ballots in San Luis, Arizona,

Quote:She was originally scheduled to appear on May 12, 2022, and plead “not guilty,” however, the plea has been changed because of the evidence presented in True The Vote’s “2000 Mules

Wait...she didn't get the memo/talking points from the DNC and Chicoms that all this was fake news? Why doesn't she plead that in court?
Oh, because the fraud that STOLE the election is TRUE. But, but, muh Lad...

Was she wearing a face mask to protect here identity?

Lolololol

(06-04-2022 10:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:01 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you here don’t like GO, and the farther left you vote, the more you dislike him, but I haven’t heard one peep disproving his allegations.

It appears to be an article of faith with some of you that there was no significant cheating.

Just saying”no” proves nothing, even if said in a loud chorus.

I think there may been significant cheating inGeorgia, at least. I have no doubt that most Democrats would be OK with it, since most democrats seem OK with any means to achieve what they consider good ends. For example, the member of Congress who has threatened to blow up the the filibuster, and if that fails, to pack the court, to get the gun control he wants.


Aside: I think Democrats will be very happy with the filibuster after November.

He has created a boy who cries wolf situation for himself. He routinely posts so much incredible garbage here that if he happens to post some valid things they will likely be assumed to be garbage. I have Zero interest in digging through all of his poorly-sourced garbage in order to determine if there happens to be some interspersed valid information.

The hallmark of a closed mind is a refusal to look or listen.

My position after the election was that even if there was cheating, it was successful. The first line of defense against against allegations of cheating is the wholesale refusal to admit to even the possibility of cheating. The MSM routinely refers to “Trump’s lies”, as though the falsehood is a given, and the veracity of the election is proven.

I don’t know. But I am negatively impressed by the position that what is reported is the gospel, truth, so STFU, we are not listening.

For the record I am open to the possibility that there was some nefarious stuff going on with voting.

As for your closed mind comment, go back to my boy that cried wolf comment. Your friend is simply not a source that I’m going to take seriously based on lots of experience.

(06-04-2022 12:46 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]But the veracity of the election has been proven. Most, if not all, law suits have been thrown out.

Perhaps you should understand the difference between a dismissal based on standing and one that actually makes a decision based on the merits.

Please cut with the above canard. It is disingenuous and irrelevant at its best, and conspiratorial to a shut down of the discussion with zero germane relevance to the truth or non-truth of the subject matter at its worst.

Quote:Even with all of the focus by many groups and people central to Republican politics, there has not been a credible example of proven election fraud. Just suspicion and anecdotes that don’t have an airtight story.

There is undeniable fact that Democrats loosened up ballot security, and made fraud far more susceptible. In many cases through illegal actions by state executives or county clerks --- provably so in Wisconsin, Texas, Arizona, and Pennsylvania.

If one dared even mention even the remote possibility of fraud -- no more facebook, no more twitter. There was utmost importance to shut down that talk from the Left, as opposed to an airing it out, mind you.

Democrats did their utmost to quash every public airing of the environment that *they* put into place.

To the point of making the asinine comment now that 'no successful lawsuit', such as you put forward in the beginning of your post. Huge difference between 'no tangible notion after a full airing of the issue' and 'no tangible notion with zero cases decided on the merits and the full blown excoriation of *any* talk about potential fraud.'

Which is what your comment above is based on.

So get off your fing high horse of your above post.

When there is a full airing of these, I'll listen. Documentaries such as 2000 Mules make a pretty good case of Democrat-type people taking full advantage of the loosening of the ballot by Democrats.

I would prefer a full airing, if the facts dont wash then so be it.

But Democrats have gone full bore to shut down such a full airing. So please, cut with false implication as you have supplied above with lawsuits.

When there is a lawsuit that renders a decision based on an airing of facts, I will grant your comment above has room. But the raw comment you have above of 'every lawsuit has been dismissed' as to the veracity of the vote is disingenuous when one realizes the ending style of of those lawsuits. Please stop doing this. It is borderline duplicitous.

(06-04-2022 01:18 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:01 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you here don’t like GO, and the farther left you vote, the more you dislike him, but I haven’t heard one peep disproving his allegations.

It appears to be an article of faith with some of you that there was no significant cheating.

Just saying”no” proves nothing, even if said in a loud chorus.

I think there may been significant cheating inGeorgia, at least. I have no doubt that most Democrats would be OK with it, since most democrats seem OK with any means to achieve what they consider good ends. For example, the member of Congress who has threatened to blow up the the filibuster, and if that fails, to pack the court, to get the gun control he wants.


Aside: I think Democrats will be very happy with the filibuster after November.

He has created a boy who cries wolf situation for himself. He routinely posts so much incredible garbage here that if he happens to post some valid things they will likely be assumed to be garbage. I have Zero interest in digging through all of his poorly-sourced garbage in order to determine if there happens to be some interspersed valid information.

The hallmark of a closed mind is a refusal to look or listen.

My position after the election was that even if there was cheating, it was successful. The first line of defense against against allegations of cheating is the wholesale refusal to admit to even the possibility of cheating. The MSM routinely refers to “Trump’s lies”, as though the falsehood is a given, and the veracity of the election is proven.

I don’t know. But I am negatively impressed by the position that what is reported is the gospel, truth, so STFU, we are not listening.

For the record I am open to the possibility that there was some nefarious stuff going on with voting.

As for your closed mind comment, go back to my boy that cried wolf comment. Your friend is simply not a source that I’m going to take seriously based on lots of experience.

Oh, I think there is no doubt that there was some nefarious stuff going on. The question is whether it was enough to change the outcome of a given jurisdiction.

But I guess we shall never know, since the accused perpetrators have declared their innocence. Case closed. Any doubters are just liars. STFU.

We are into the second year after the election. Biden is president, whether he won it or stole it. Georgia has two Dem Senators, whether they won their seats or stole them.

Mainly, I want to be sure it is not stolen again again, if it was. I trust Abrams as far as I can throw her. Well, about 1/10 that distance.

I am not sure if GO would be considered a friend. I met him for about 20 minutes at halftime of the 2013 Liberty Bowl. Otherwise, our relationship is very similar to your and mine, even to the point of lots of disagreement on various things, from abortion to vaccination to Bailiff. I respect him,, even as I respect you. I listen to you, and I listen to him. I don't stick my fingers in my ears and go LA la la, I CAN'T HEAR YOU for either of you. I expect you, for instance, to expound certain views. Rather than dismiss you as a source, I listen and then comment. Which is two steps more than you give him.

(06-04-2022 02:34 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 01:18 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:01 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you here don’t like GO, and the farther left you vote, the more you dislike him, but I haven’t heard one peep disproving his allegations.

It appears to be an article of faith with some of you that there was no significant cheating.

Just saying”no” proves nothing, even if said in a loud chorus.

I think there may been significant cheating inGeorgia, at least. I have no doubt that most Democrats would be OK with it, since most democrats seem OK with any means to achieve what they consider good ends. For example, the member of Congress who has threatened to blow up the the filibuster, and if that fails, to pack the court, to get the gun control he wants.


Aside: I think Democrats will be very happy with the filibuster after November.

He has created a boy who cries wolf situation for himself. He routinely posts so much incredible garbage here that if he happens to post some valid things they will likely be assumed to be garbage. I have Zero interest in digging through all of his poorly-sourced garbage in order to determine if there happens to be some interspersed valid information.

The hallmark of a closed mind is a refusal to look or listen.

My position after the election was that even if there was cheating, it was successful. The first line of defense against against allegations of cheating is the wholesale refusal to admit to even the possibility of cheating. The MSM routinely refers to “Trump’s lies”, as though the falsehood is a given, and the veracity of the election is proven.

I don’t know. But I am negatively impressed by the position that what is reported is the gospel, truth, so STFU, we are not listening.

For the record I am open to the possibility that there was some nefarious stuff going on with voting.

As for your closed mind comment, go back to my boy that cried wolf comment. Your friend is simply not a source that I’m going to take seriously based on lots of experience.

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I am not sure if GO would be considered a friend. I met him for about 20 minutes at halftime of the 2013 Liberty Bowl. Otherwise, our relationship is very similar to your and mine, even to the point of lots of disagreement on various things, from abortion to vaccination to Bailiff. I respect him,, even as I respect you. I listen to you, and I listen to him. I don't stick my fingers in my ears and go LA la la, I CAN'T HEAR YOU for either of you. I expect you, for instance, to expound certain views. Rather than dismiss you as a source, I listen and then comment. Which is two steps more than you give him.

Thank you for the lecture, dad. But honestly, give me a break.

First of all, I do not post links to completely ridiculous information on a regular basis. Maybe you think that he does not either, but then you would be wrong.

Second of all, those few times that I have tried to engage him by asking him questions about things that he has posted he almost never responds. It is more of a hit-and-run type of posting that some of you have complained about in the past from people on the other side. When he does tend to comment, it is nearly always incredibly belligerent and offensive.

So GO and I are completely dissimilar when it comes to posting behavior. As are GO and every other poster on this forum. Thank goodness for that.

But thank you again about the condescending lecture about the virtues of keeping an open mind.

(06-04-2022 03:25 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 02:34 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 01:18 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:01 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]He has created a boy who cries wolf situation for himself. He routinely posts so much incredible garbage here that if he happens to post some valid things they will likely be assumed to be garbage. I have Zero interest in digging through all of his poorly-sourced garbage in order to determine if there happens to be some interspersed valid information.

The hallmark of a closed mind is a refusal to look or listen.

My position after the election was that even if there was cheating, it was successful. The first line of defense against against allegations of cheating is the wholesale refusal to admit to even the possibility of cheating. The MSM routinely refers to “Trump’s lies”, as though the falsehood is a given, and the veracity of the election is proven.

I don’t know. But I am negatively impressed by the position that what is reported is the gospel, truth, so STFU, we are not listening.

For the record I am open to the possibility that there was some nefarious stuff going on with voting.

As for your closed mind comment, go back to my boy that cried wolf comment. Your friend is simply not a source that I’m going to take seriously based on lots of experience.

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I am not sure if GO would be considered a friend. I met him for about 20 minutes at halftime of the 2013 Liberty Bowl. Otherwise, our relationship is very similar to your and mine, even to the point of lots of disagreement on various things, from abortion to vaccination to Bailiff. I respect him,, even as I respect you. I listen to you, and I listen to him. I don't stick my fingers in my ears and go LA la la, I CAN'T HEAR YOU for either of you. I expect you, for instance, to expound certain views. Rather than dismiss you as a source, I listen and then comment. Which is two steps more than you give him.

Thank you for the lecture, dad. But honestly, give me a break.

First of all, I do not post links to completely ridiculous information on a regular basis. Maybe you think that he does not either, but then you would be wrong.

Second of all, those few times that I have tried to engage him by asking him questions about things that he has posted he almost never responds. It is more of a hit-and-run type of posting that some of you have complained about in the past from people on the other side. When he does tend to comment, it is nearly always incredibly belligerent and offensive.

So GO and I are completely dissimilar when it comes to posting behavior. As are GO and every other poster on this forum. Thank goodness for that.

But thank you again about the condescending lecture about the virtues of keeping an open mind.

Glad you get the theory.

Now if only we could get you to do that in practice.

I too am guilty of speed reading through certain posts. But at least I read. Or skim.

It is maddening when people post and then will not engage in defending their posts. I agree on that. I call that "throwing a rock and running away". Although in GO's case, I suspect he really has gone away, whereas in others, I suspect they just don't want to engage.

(06-04-2022 05:46 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 03:25 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 02:34 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 01:18 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2022 10:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]The hallmark of a closed mind is a refusal to look or listen.

My position after the election was that even if there was cheating, it was successful. The first line of defense against against allegations of cheating is the wholesale refusal to admit to even the possibility of cheating. The MSM routinely refers to “Trump’s lies”, as though the falsehood is a given, and the veracity of the election is proven.

I don’t know. But I am negatively impressed by the position that what is reported is the gospel, truth, so STFU, we are not listening.

For the record I am open to the possibility that there was some nefarious stuff going on with voting.

As for your closed mind comment, go back to my boy that cried wolf comment. Your friend is simply not a source that I’m going to take seriously based on lots of experience.

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I am not sure if GO would be considered a friend. I met him for about 20 minutes at halftime of the 2013 Liberty Bowl. Otherwise, our relationship is very similar to your and mine, even to the point of lots of disagreement on various things, from abortion to vaccination to Bailiff. I respect him,, even as I respect you. I listen to you, and I listen to him. I don't stick my fingers in my ears and go LA la la, I CAN'T HEAR YOU for either of you. I expect you, for instance, to expound certain views. Rather than dismiss you as a source, I listen and then comment. Which is two steps more than you give him.

Thank you for the lecture, dad. But honestly, give me a break.

First of all, I do not post links to completely ridiculous information on a regular basis. Maybe you think that he does not either, but then you would be wrong.

Second of all, those few times that I have tried to engage him by asking him questions about things that he has posted he almost never responds. It is more of a hit-and-run type of posting that some of you have complained about in the past from people on the other side. When he does tend to comment, it is nearly always incredibly belligerent and offensive.

So GO and I are completely dissimilar when it comes to posting behavior. As are GO and every other poster on this forum. Thank goodness for that.

But thank you again about the condescending lecture about the virtues of keeping an open mind.

Glad you get the theory.

Now if only we could get you to do that in practice.

I think I’m going to start referring to you as CO (Condescending Owl).

Seriously, my friend, f right off with the above. When exactly was the last time that you complained about me not responding to a query? I think it was that time that you demanded that I explain some far liberal attitude that I did not personally share.

Please don’t come at me with an accusation that I am not engaged. I am engaged way more than I probably should be when pluses and minuses are calculated from a standpoint of what makes me happy.

Quote:I too am guilty of speed reading through certain posts. But at least I read. Or skim.

What is your point here? That I don’t read posts? That is stupid.

If your point is that I do not read all the links that GoodOwl posts then you are right. Lad and I do not post the kind of garbage that he does so you don’t have to worry about wading through that type of crap.

Quote:It is maddening when people post and then will not engage in defending their posts. I agree on that. I call that "throwing a rock and running away". Although in GO's case, I suspect he really has gone away, whereas in others, I suspect they just don't want to engage.

The times when I disappear from here are when I get sick of the interactions or when I get really busy with IRL stuff. None of this is significant enough to feel the need to “run away” from a topic.