(11-30-2019 10:13 PM)AeroCat Wrote: [ -> ]I will quote Mr. Bains and agree that Bryant should start. And enough with the running Des vs the passing Ben. I thought Bryant ran very well and has a cannon for an arm. He ran more like Collaros than Pike.
”Cincinnati had 2 first downs through the air against Temple, they had 4 against South Florida. UC had ELEVEN (11!!!) passing first downs tonight against Memphis. If anything, that stat alone should make Bryant a starter next week.”[/i]
I agree with you and think Bryant has a lot more to offer. Obviously he's way better in the air, but I also think he's effective enough in the run to keep a defense honest. I would think Bryant's arm would open up the run game more than ridder's running ability would, right?
He made some throws Dez will never make. I love Dez, but it’s true. That one deep out that was over the corner and under the safety was particularly impressive. And it wasn’t just one. The only issue is the turnovers.
(11-30-2019 01:28 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if it matters if we run up the middle every first down.
1000% this
(12-01-2019 11:15 AM)mikecat Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2019 01:28 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if it matters if we run up the middle every first down.
1000% this
Amen.
Something that's been bothering me the last few games - I know for a fact Denbrock was on the field/sideline for the USF game. Was he on the sideline for the Temple game? It really appears that he is not seeing the field on his play calling - ie how the defense is lined up and what they are doing.
I'm more concerned about the play calling then who is starting at QB. Prime example, first half, throwing on first down enabled UC to sustain drives when they were down 17-3. Second half, run up middle on first down putting UC behind the chains every freaking time. Second half was too predictable.
Ideally, playing both is the right call. Bryant starting, Des for situational RPO.
Are we building a new Munchie Lequax situation? I wonder what kind of receiver Des could be. I suspect he is not fast enough.
I also believe Ben’s ceiling is the highest of the two. That said, it is hard to not let the performance of the injured Des not overly color my opinion.
(12-02-2019 08:56 AM)Bcatbog Wrote: [ -> ]Are we building a new Munchie Lequax situation? I wonder what kind of receiver Des could be. I suspect he is not fast enough.
I also believe Ben’s ceiling is the highest of the two. That said, it is hard to not let the performance of the injured Des not overly color my opinion.
I was actually just talking about this with a buddy...this really is starting to feel like a Munchie/Kay situation. I just hope it won't take a stretch like Toledo/Louisville for our coaches to make the decision.
I don't understand people acting like Ridder is some prolific running QB. He ran for 572 yards on 150 carries (3.8 ppc) and 5 tds last year and 432 yards and 1 TD. For reference, Justin Fields has 472 yards and 10 TD's against a much much much more difficult schedule. Jalen Hurts has 1217 and 18 td's.
Putting it differently, he is not a good enough running QB to justify his inability to pass consistently or to read defenses. If we had a dynamic RPO game working I'd say keep him in but we don't.
(12-02-2019 09:43 AM)skylinecat Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand people acting like Ridder is some prolific running QB. He ran for 572 yards on 150 carries (3.8 ppc) and 5 tds last year and 432 yards and 1 TD. For reference, Justin Fields has 472 yards and 10 TD's against a much much much more difficult schedule. Jalen Hurts has 1217 and 18 td's.
Putting it differently, he is not a good enough running QB to justify his inability to pass consistently or to read defenses. If we had a dynamic RPO game working I'd say keep him in but we don't.
If you go to ESPN QBR and filter by their running efficiency he is the 10th most efficient runner although he is behind the guys you mentioned.
FWIW I've never understood the Ridder apologists. He's the 87th best QB in the country and we're a top 25 team. The only reason for continuing with Ridder was that Bryant may be worse but I at least saw enough last week to say Bryant should have gotten a look a lot earlier rather than live with poor QB play for 11 weeks and even continue with an poor and injured QB in games 10 & 11.
But 21-3 I guess...
(12-02-2019 10:05 AM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019 09:43 AM)skylinecat Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand people acting like Ridder is some prolific running QB. He ran for 572 yards on 150 carries (3.8 ppc) and 5 tds last year and 432 yards and 1 TD. For reference, Justin Fields has 472 yards and 10 TD's against a much much much more difficult schedule. Jalen Hurts has 1217 and 18 td's.
Putting it differently, he is not a good enough running QB to justify his inability to pass consistently or to read defenses. If we had a dynamic RPO game working I'd say keep him in but we don't.
If you go to ESPN QBR and filter by their running efficiency he is the 10th most efficient runner although he is behind the guys you mentioned.
FWIW I've never understood the Ridder apologists. He's the 87th best QB in the country and we're a top 25 team. The only reason for continuing with Ridder was that Bryant may be worse but I at least saw enough last week to say Bryant should have gotten a look a lot earlier rather than live with poor QB play for 11 weeks and even continue with an poor and injured QB in games 10 & 11.
But 21-3 I guess...
I know NCAA football is a multi-billion dollar business, and there's no room for sentiment, but it would be seriously difficult to look that guy Ridder in the eye and tell him that he's been demoted. He has played his guts out behind a poor OL in managing to make chicken salad out of chicken sh**.
(12-02-2019 10:56 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019 10:05 AM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019 09:43 AM)skylinecat Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand people acting like Ridder is some prolific running QB. He ran for 572 yards on 150 carries (3.8 ppc) and 5 tds last year and 432 yards and 1 TD. For reference, Justin Fields has 472 yards and 10 TD's against a much much much more difficult schedule. Jalen Hurts has 1217 and 18 td's.
Putting it differently, he is not a good enough running QB to justify his inability to pass consistently or to read defenses. If we had a dynamic RPO game working I'd say keep him in but we don't.
If you go to ESPN QBR and filter by their running efficiency he is the 10th most efficient runner although he is behind the guys you mentioned.
FWIW I've never understood the Ridder apologists. He's the 87th best QB in the country and we're a top 25 team. The only reason for continuing with Ridder was that Bryant may be worse but I at least saw enough last week to say Bryant should have gotten a look a lot earlier rather than live with poor QB play for 11 weeks and even continue with an poor and injured QB in games 10 & 11.
But 21-3 I guess...
I know NCAA football is a multi-billion dollar business, and there's no room for sentiment, but it would be seriously difficult to look that guy Ridder in the eye and tell him that he's been demoted. He has played his guts out behind a poor OL in managing to make chicken salad out of chicken sh**.
That's the bad side of being in management...sometimes you have to tell good people that there are others who are better. If you have a coach who can't make that call for that reason, then he needs to check himself.
(12-02-2019 10:56 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]I know NCAA football is a multi-billion dollar business, and there's no room for sentiment, but it would be seriously difficult to look that guy Ridder in the eye and tell him that he's been demoted. He has played his guts out behind a poor OL in managing to make chicken salad out of chicken sh**.
They have 85 scholarship players and countless walk ons who come and put in the same effort every day. They owe it to those guys to give the team the best chance to win, period.
(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019 10:56 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019 10:05 AM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019 09:43 AM)skylinecat Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand people acting like Ridder is some prolific running QB. He ran for 572 yards on 150 carries (3.8 ppc) and 5 tds last year and 432 yards and 1 TD. For reference, Justin Fields has 472 yards and 10 TD's against a much much much more difficult schedule. Jalen Hurts has 1217 and 18 td's.
Putting it differently, he is not a good enough running QB to justify his inability to pass consistently or to read defenses. If we had a dynamic RPO game working I'd say keep him in but we don't.
If you go to ESPN QBR and filter by their running efficiency he is the 10th most efficient runner although he is behind the guys you mentioned.
FWIW I've never understood the Ridder apologists. He's the 87th best QB in the country and we're a top 25 team. The only reason for continuing with Ridder was that Bryant may be worse but I at least saw enough last week to say Bryant should have gotten a look a lot earlier rather than live with poor QB play for 11 weeks and even continue with an poor and injured QB in games 10 & 11.
But 21-3 I guess...
I know NCAA football is a multi-billion dollar business, and there's no room for sentiment, but it would be seriously difficult to look that guy Ridder in the eye and tell him that he's been demoted. He has played his guts out behind a poor OL in managing to make chicken salad out of chicken sh**.
That's the bad side of being in management...sometimes you have to tell good people that there are others who are better. If you have a coach who can't make that call for that reason, then he needs to check himself.
I think his injury is such that you can tell him you're not going to play him next week for his own safety/future. Let's be real, the kid didn't look like he was one week of not playing from being fully healthy. Rest him and let him try to get healthy for bowl practices.
On the flip side, you owe it to Bryant to give him a real chance to start. Are you gonna tell the kid "sorry, we know you're better than Dez but we aren't going to play you based on his past results, half of which came while we redshirted you." They wouldn't do that to any other position on the field and shouldn't do it with the QB.
(12-02-2019 11:53 AM)skylinecat Wrote: [ -> ]On the flip side, you owe it to Bryant to give him a real chance to start. Are you gonna tell the kid "sorry, we know you're better than Dez but we aren't going to play you based on his past results, half of which came while we redshirted you." They wouldn't do that to any other position on the field and shouldn't do it with the QB.
Yeah, if you're not willing to reevaluate the position there's no reason for anyone to commit to you after you have a young starter.
This isn't hard. Bryant was a much higher rated prospect. If Ridder were a under-recruited gem and playing at an above average level this is a different discussion. This is a lowly rated recruit who was thrown into duty out of necessity who has not shown any development as a passer in two full years of starter. If we didn't have a talented recruit behind him this might be a different conversation.
When does the talented recruit get a chance to prove himself? Just because Ridder is older and gets thrown into duty out of necessity means he gets 4 years to start? Ridder is much like Munchie to me and may develop into a solid QB by the end. But Munchie never earned sacred cow status and Ridder shouldn't be a sacred cow.
(12-02-2019 01:42 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Luke Fickell made it clear during Monday's AAC teleconference: If Desmond Ridder can play Saturday at Memphis, he'll return to his spot as Cincinnati football's starting quarterback.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...586032001/
And Des is hurt, so he won't be playing.
But comparing Ridder's running to OSU is simply the silliest thing from anyone not named Duane. Ridder is running behind a patchwork OL including a guy that is just learning football. And yes he is 21-3.
But Bryant will start. Throws a much stronger ball. Will drop his eyes quicker when pressured. Is not elusive at all. Will make more mistakes. AND thanks to the AAC officials trying to make sure of a Cotton Bowl bid, Ben Bryant will be 0-2 as a starter.
The real question: does Bryant get to start the Gasparilla Bowl?
(12-02-2019 02:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019 01:42 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Luke Fickell made it clear during Monday's AAC teleconference: If Desmond Ridder can play Saturday at Memphis, he'll return to his spot as Cincinnati football's starting quarterback.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...586032001/
And Des is hurt, so he won't be playing.
But comparing Ridder's running to OSU is simply the silliest thing from anyone not named Duane. Ridder is running behind a patchwork OL including a guy that is just learning football. And yes he is 21-3.
But Bryant will start. Throws a much stronger ball. Will drop his eyes quicker when pressured. Is not elusive at all. Will make more mistakes. AND thanks to the AAC officials trying to make sure of a Cotton Bowl bid, Ben Bryant will be 0-2 as a starter.
The real question: does Bryant get to start the Gasparilla Bowl?
Yes
Perhaps the most important aspect of this moving forward is that Bryant showed enough in the Memphis game to ensure that there will be a true off season competition for next year's starting job.
Going to be a fierce competition in 2022 when redshirt SR Ben Bryant and RS Soph Evan Prater are given a chance to compete for a starting position.
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