(11-18-2019 12:40 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-16-2019 05:30 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: [ -> ]I heard Bobby made a promise ala Joe Namath.... "We will not lose this week!"
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Was he talking about the bye week?
Yes
I know i am talking to myself here but i am waiting for Bobby to come forward and admit he was/is a failure at FBS and resign as the HC as soon as the season is over. I am sure many of us are waiting for this clustercluck of a season to end but it would be sweet if Bobby steps down by himself rather than us firing his ass. That might not happen but one can hope. I really wish and hope we hold onto Blackwell no matter what.
He sits down for an interview at the next college. "So coach Wilder, let me get this straight.... you quit the team at ODU..... (yes) ....and this is the program you started from scratch..... (yes) ....and now you want to coach my program? (yes) Do you tell your players to work hard and never quit? (yes) Why would any of my players listen to you when you tell them to never quit?" .............
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(11-22-2019 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: [ -> ]He sits down for an interview at the next college. "So coach Wilder, let me get this straight.... you quit the team at ODU..... (yes) ....and this is the program you started from scratch..... (yes) ....and now you want to coach my program? (yes) Do you tell your players to work hard and never quit? (yes) Why would any of my players listen to you when you tell them to never quit?" .............
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LOL. I am not sure if its any different from "Coach Wilder, Did you start a program from scratch and you almost put that program back in the coffin before that program canned you?...yes". Anyways i don't think he will have an easy interview anywhere he goes but he is a good PR piece and he will sell it to them one way or the other.
(11-22-2019 02:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: [ -> ]He sits down for an interview at the next college. "So coach Wilder, let me get this straight.... you quit the team at ODU..... (yes) ....and this is the program you started from scratch..... (yes) ....and now you want to coach my program? (yes) Do you tell your players to work hard and never quit? (yes) Why would any of my players listen to you when you tell them to never quit?" .............
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LOL. I am not sure if its any different from "Coach Wilder, Did you start a program from scratch and you almost put that program back in the coffin before that program canned you?...yes". Anyways i don't think he will have an easy interview anywhere he goes but he is a good PR piece and he will sell it to them one way or the other.
They went from not having a football team to entry into the CAA and then FBS football while winning a bowl game and having a .500 record (until this year). The program is nowhere near....back in the coffin.
Just read an article that was up posted last week addressing what's in store for the future. I love how Blackwell has turned around the defense in so little time compared to previous DCs but Wilder stated that this year is the first time in program history ODU has had a top 50 defense....I wonder how he forgot about the bowl team who's defense was ranked in the top 50 as well
(11-22-2019 02:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: [ -> ]He sits down for an interview at the next college. "So coach Wilder, let me get this straight.... you quit the team at ODU..... (yes) ....and this is the program you started from scratch..... (yes) ....and now you want to coach my program? (yes) Do you tell your players to work hard and never quit? (yes) Why would any of my players listen to you when you tell them to never quit?" .............
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LOL. I am not sure if its any different from "Coach Wilder, Did you start a program from scratch and you almost put that program back in the coffin before that program canned you?...yes". Anyways i don't think he will have an easy interview anywhere he goes but he is a good PR piece and he will sell it to them one way or the other.
They went from not having a football team to entry into the CAA and then FBS football while winning a bowl game and having a .500 record (until this year). The program is nowhere near....back in the coffin.
He is apparently a very good FCS coach if he has the best QB in the nation at that level playing for him. If I were an FCS school, I would consider giving him a shot, at least as an assistant coach. I think thats what he's going to have to do though. Take an assistant role at the FCS level and work back up to a FCS HC. I bet it only takes a few years before someone gives him a shot.
They went from not having a football team to entry into the CAA and then FBS football while winning a bowl game and having a .500 record (until this year). The program is nowhere near....back in the coffin.
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Saying our early success negates our recent failures is reaching. We may have been near an overall .500 record for our history, but the last few years have been awful. ODU football is like a terminal cancer patient. They were doing great until they weren't.
(11-22-2019 04:48 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: [ -> ]He sits down for an interview at the next college. "So coach Wilder, let me get this straight.... you quit the team at ODU..... (yes) ....and this is the program you started from scratch..... (yes) ....and now you want to coach my program? (yes) Do you tell your players to work hard and never quit? (yes) Why would any of my players listen to you when you tell them to never quit?" .............
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LOL. I am not sure if its any different from "Coach Wilder, Did you start a program from scratch and you almost put that program back in the coffin before that program canned you?...yes". Anyways i don't think he will have an easy interview anywhere he goes but he is a good PR piece and he will sell it to them one way or the other.
They went from not having a football team to entry into the CAA and then FBS football while winning a bowl game and having a .500 record (until this year). The program is nowhere near....back in the coffin.
He is apparently a very good FCS coach if he has the best QB in the nation at that level playing for him. If I were an FCS school, I would consider giving him a shot, at least as an assistant coach. I think thats what he's going to have to do though. Take an assistant role at the FCS level and work back up to a FCS HC. I bet it only takes a few years before someone gives him a shot.
If he got fired here he'd probably find an FCS HC or G5 assistant job. Maybe if Maine loses their coach they'd bring him back. I don't think he'd fall all the way back to FCS assistant at this point.
What would be ideal for him is to steer another new program. Maybe he's like a startup CEO, doing his best work laying the foundation and building community support for it. I don't think there's any D1 programs coming online in the near future though. Or if he were to take a D2 program about to transition to D1.
(11-22-2019 04:48 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote: [ -> ]He sits down for an interview at the next college. "So coach Wilder, let me get this straight.... you quit the team at ODU..... (yes) ....and this is the program you started from scratch..... (yes) ....and now you want to coach my program? (yes) Do you tell your players to work hard and never quit? (yes) Why would any of my players listen to you when you tell them to never quit?" .............
Next!
LOL. I am not sure if its any different from "Coach Wilder, Did you start a program from scratch and you almost put that program back in the coffin before that program canned you?...yes". Anyways i don't think he will have an easy interview anywhere he goes but he is a good PR piece and he will sell it to them one way or the other.
They went from not having a football team to entry into the CAA and then FBS football while winning a bowl game and having a .500 record (until this year). The program is nowhere near....back in the coffin.
He is apparently a very good FCS coach if he has the best QB in the nation at that level playing for him. If I were an FCS school, I would consider giving him a shot, at least as an assistant coach. I think thats what he's going to have to do though. Take an assistant role at the FCS level and work back up to a FCS HC. I bet it only takes a few years before someone gives him a shot.
Wilder took a team from scratch and was almost immediately a top 10 FCS school and who's best FCS level team moved up to FBS. I would be shocked if FCS teams didn't line up to open their wallet for him. At least ones interested in winning.
I would be surprised if he went from FBS head coach to FCS assistant coach. I can't think of that happening often, but I could be wrong.
I say he gets a 3 year extension at a reduced cost and the money will go to new OC and QB coaches. This is our time to renegotiate a contract to our benefit. After all who is going to hire a 1-11 FBS coach ? If he wants to keep his job he will have to make substantially less and will have to reshape to O staff.
(11-22-2019 07:21 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I say he gets a 3 year extension at a reduced cost and the money will go to new OC and QB coaches. This is our time to renegotiate a contract to our benefit. After all who is going to hire a 1-11 FBS coach ? If he wants to keep his job he will have to make substantially less and will have to reshape to O staff.
This is an interesting idea. Leave BW to do the things he does well and put the $$ into good coordinators and staff that will run the games.
(11-22-2019 07:21 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I say he gets a 3 year extension at a reduced cost and the money will go to new OC and QB coaches. This is our time to renegotiate a contract to our benefit. After all who is going to hire a 1-11 FBS coach ? If he wants to keep his job he will have to make substantially less and will have to reshape to O staff.
Only if you're trying to force him out instead of firing him. You might see coaches restructure their contracts on their own volition (Shaka leveraged a couple of dalliances with other programs into better money for his assistants at VCU), but you don't see them taking pay cuts at the school's prompting. If you're cutting his salary you're obviously thinking long and hard about firing him. Might as well rip the band-aid off in one yank instead of pulling hair by hair.
(11-22-2019 08:08 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019 07:21 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I say he gets a 3 year extension at a reduced cost and the money will go to new OC and QB coaches. This is our time to renegotiate a contract to our benefit. After all who is going to hire a 1-11 FBS coach ? If he wants to keep his job he will have to make substantially less and will have to reshape to O staff.
This is an interesting idea. Leave BW to do the things he does well and put the $$ into good coordinators and staff that will run the games.
Then just promote the assistants. They’re doing the real work then anyway.
If this admin is serious about positioning ourselves for a possible promotion in conferences, paying the head coach the lowest salary in the league probably isn't a good way of doing it.
I agree with the others, if you are going to phase him out then just do it now. It can't get much worse than now. Let the new coach rebuild the program starting now.
(11-23-2019 07:21 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]If this admin is serious about positioning ourselves for a possible promotion in conferences, paying the head coach the lowest salary in the league probably isn't a good way of doing it.
I agree with the others, if you are going to phase him out then just do it now. It can't get much worse than now. Let the new coach rebuild the program starting now.
salary level of the head coach vs the rest of the conference does not guarantee success. The point is simple...he has not performed. Lower his salary and use it to elevate the pay of his assistants and find quality OC and QB coaches. Then if he succeeded and brings us back up reward him. If not then you let him go.
I don’t trust that plan. I’m not sure we can afford both Steiny and Blackwell once the UMD stipend runs out either. Even if we lower BWs salary. Maybe if we cut him all the way down to coordinator pay, and pay the two assistants more than him. But that sounds crazy. He’d be HC on paper, but we’d all know who was really in charge. Can’t see why anyone would agree to this. If Bobby stays it better be as an assistant. We need a new head coach as of a year ago.
Try recruiting under that scenario.
Bobby isn't going to step down, that'd be foolish. ODU is goin to have to fire him, and it should. JB and WS hopefully have a plan in the works. It's dereliction of duty if they don't.
I pray this extension/shadow demotion is just some crazy message board idea that didn’t get quickly dismissed as very crazy. Bobby should have been shown the door last year. If he is allowed to remain after this year Wood and J-Brod are venturing in Dan Snyder territory in terms of crazy and overall disconnect with reality.