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Shane Beamer or Willie Taggert.

(11-07-2019 09:38 AM)ODBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 09:31 AM)AimHigh Wrote: [ -> ]If we go the uninspired route naming Stiney or Blackwell as the next head coach we probably should get a few old ODU players who can relate to the younger guys and the culture at ODU.

A few old ODU player's names come to mind, who knows if they can coach.

Both Tommy Reamon Jr and Charles Walls are both in the NFL as scouts. I like Charles Walls interviews.




Craig Wilkins spent two years as a GA
TH, NFL experience
David Washington, some high school coaching experience and an amateur football player.
Isaiah Harper wants to be a coach.

A team preacher wouldn't hurt. BL spends his days studying the word and playing flag football.

I fully support a team preacher, since Divine Intervention is the only thing that can help us now.

Don't we already have a Messiah on the team?

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(11-07-2019 11:36 AM)bigblueodu Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 09:38 AM)ODBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 09:31 AM)AimHigh Wrote: [ -> ]If we go the uninspired route naming Stiney or Blackwell as the next head coach we probably should get a few old ODU players who can relate to the younger guys and the culture at ODU.

A few old ODU player's names come to mind, who knows if they can coach.

Both Tommy Reamon Jr and Charles Walls are both in the NFL as scouts. I like Charles Walls interviews.




Craig Wilkins spent two years as a GA
TH, NFL experience
David Washington, some high school coaching experience and an amateur football player.
Isaiah Harper wants to be a coach.

A team preacher wouldn't hurt. BL spends his days studying the word and playing flag football.

I fully support a team preacher, since Divine Intervention is the only thing that can help us now.

Don't we already have a Messiah on the team?

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He sure did lead us to the promise land

(11-07-2019 11:28 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Shane Beamer or Willie Taggert.

Pass on Taggert. He's done absolutely nothing to warrant another HC job.

(11-07-2019 12:32 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 11:28 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Shane Beamer or Willie Taggert.

Pass on Taggert. He's done absolutely nothing to warrant another HC job.

Hmmm, I didn't realize Taggart was at WKY back in the day......

He had some success at South Florida, but he certainly wouldn't be my first choice. I would choose him over Blackwell though.

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 12:41 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019 09:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I would hate to see Heinicke's name drug through the mud.

He would not start as an OC. He woul dneed to learn the ropes as a position coach.

So then .... Heinicke would need to "learn the ropes as a position coach". Is that so he could hopefully one day end up as solid as the guy ODU has as their Offensive Coordinator today? My guess is that Heinicke would be an improvement over what we have been seeing, starting with the very first game that he was calling the plays. Even if it was next season.

Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

(11-08-2019 11:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 12:41 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019 09:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I would hate to see Heinicke's name drug through the mud.

He would not start as an OC. He woul dneed to learn the ropes as a position coach.

So then .... Heinicke would need to "learn the ropes as a position coach". Is that so he could hopefully one day end up as solid as the guy ODU has as their Offensive Coordinator today? My guess is that Heinicke would be an improvement over what we have been seeing, starting with the very first game that he was calling the plays. Even if it was next season.

Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

This is like the stars don't matter argument for recruiting. Is it possible that someone who has never coached at the college level could jump right into a D1 program and find success, I guess anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely. We have seen this attempted in basketball the last few years with almost no success, and running a football program is a much more expansive task than a basketball program.

(11-08-2019 11:08 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 12:41 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019 09:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I would hate to see Heinicke's name drug through the mud.

He would not start as an OC. He woul dneed to learn the ropes as a position coach.

So then .... Heinicke would need to "learn the ropes as a position coach". Is that so he could hopefully one day end up as solid as the guy ODU has as their Offensive Coordinator today? My guess is that Heinicke would be an improvement over what we have been seeing, starting with the very first game that he was calling the plays. Even if it was next season.

Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

This is like the stars don't matter argument for recruiting. Is it possible that someone who has never coached at the college level could jump right into a D1 program and find success, I guess anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely. We have seen this attempted in basketball the last few years with almost no success, and running a football program is a much more expansive task than a basketball program.

Look at FSU, there is some talk about Deion being a head coach. Anyone think that works out well?

There have been tons of high profile football players that thought they could dip their toes into coaching and they are soon out of the game. It's safe to say someone that has no coaching experience would not do good in charge of a side of the ball (offensive coordinator in this instance).

Heinicke could be worse. Much worse.

(11-08-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:08 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 12:41 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]So then .... Heinicke would need to "learn the ropes as a position coach". Is that so he could hopefully one day end up as solid as the guy ODU has as their Offensive Coordinator today? My guess is that Heinicke would be an improvement over what we have been seeing, starting with the very first game that he was calling the plays. Even if it was next season.

Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

This is like the stars don't matter argument for recruiting. Is it possible that someone who has never coached at the college level could jump right into a D1 program and find success, I guess anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely. We have seen this attempted in basketball the last few years with almost no success, and running a football program is a much more expansive task than a basketball program.

Look at FSU, there is some talk about Deion being a head coach. Anyone think that works out well?

There have been tons of high profile football players that thought they could dip their toes into coaching and they are soon out of the game. It's safe to say someone that has no coaching experience would not do good in charge of a side of the ball (offensive coordinator in this instance).

Heinicke could be worse. Much worse.

I don't think there is any chance that Dion is the next coach of FSU. I think it is more of a situation where Dion said he would like to be considered and the people in charge at FSU decided not to laugh him out of the building because you don't do that to one of your legendary players.

(11-08-2019 11:08 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 12:41 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019 09:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]I would hate to see Heinicke's name drug through the mud.

He would not start as an OC. He woul dneed to learn the ropes as a position coach.

So then .... Heinicke would need to "learn the ropes as a position coach". Is that so he could hopefully one day end up as solid as the guy ODU has as their Offensive Coordinator today? My guess is that Heinicke would be an improvement over what we have been seeing, starting with the very first game that he was calling the plays. Even if it was next season.

Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

This is like the stars don't matter argument for recruiting. Is it possible that someone who has never coached at the college level could jump right into a D1 program and find success, I guess anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely. We have seen this attempted in basketball the last few years with almost no success, and running a football program is a much more expansive task than a basketball program.

It's not like addressing a high school basketball player's talent at all. Athleticism, size, and skill sets (i.e. handling the ball, shooting stats, rebounding stats, etc.) are easy to see and obtain. For example, back in the 70's I had never heard the name Ronnie Valentine before. I went to see a basketball game between Portsmouth Catholic and Norfolk Catholic with a student of the Portsmouth school. I had been a big ODU fan for several years at the time. Within 10 minutes of watching Ronnie play I wished that he was being recruited by ODU. Little did I know that he was. I felt sure that he would be an extremely good player for them, and he was.

We are talking about replacing the offensive coordinator in this case. He does not "run the football program". That's the head coach's job.

Heinicke has a very good head on his shoulders. He was an Engineering grad. One of his strengths has always been reading defenses. He has been under the tutelage of several good professional (NFL) head coaches and offensive coordinators since he left ODU. He has learned the play books of at least 3 or 4 different pro teams during that time, in addition to the one he learned at ODU. He has actually called plays in games already in the form of calling audibles, so calling plays would not be a foreign element to him. Sure there are never any guarantees with this sort of thing, but it isn't that far fetched to believe that he would/could do a better job than what we have been seeing the past few seasons.

There is waaaaay more to do in being an offensive coordinator than calling audibles. How much recruiting has he done? How often has he had to babysit 60 student athletes? Paperwork, practice schedules?

This is like saying that you can take a line worker at a factory for a multi-million dollar company and make them a Senior Vice President, and there will be no learning curve.

(11-08-2019 11:32 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:08 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 12:41 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]So then .... Heinicke would need to "learn the ropes as a position coach". Is that so he could hopefully one day end up as solid as the guy ODU has as their Offensive Coordinator today? My guess is that Heinicke would be an improvement over what we have been seeing, starting with the very first game that he was calling the plays. Even if it was next season.

Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

This is like the stars don't matter argument for recruiting. Is it possible that someone who has never coached at the college level could jump right into a D1 program and find success, I guess anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely. We have seen this attempted in basketball the last few years with almost no success, and running a football program is a much more expansive task than a basketball program.

It's not like addressing a high school basketball player's talent at all. Athleticism, size, and skill sets (i.e. handling the ball, shooting stats, rebounding stats, etc.) are easy to see and obtain. For example, back in the 70's I had never heard the name Ronnie Valentine before. I went to see a basketball game between Portsmouth Catholic and Norfolk Catholic with a student of the Portsmouth school. I had been a big ODU fan for several years at the time. Within 10 minutes of watching Ronnie play I wished that he was being recruited by ODU. Little did I know that he was. I felt sure that he would be an extremely good player for them, and he was.

We are talking about replacing the offensive coordinator in this case. He does not "run the football program". That's the head coach's job.

Heinicke has a very good head on his shoulders. He was an Engineering grad. One of his strengths has always been reading defenses. He has been under the tutelage of several good professional (NFL) head coaches and offensive coordinators since he left ODU. He has learned the play books of at least 3 or 4 different pro teams during that time, in addition to the one he learned at ODU. He has actually called plays in games already in the form of calling audibles, so calling plays would not be a foreign element to him. Sure there are never any guarantees with this sort of thing, but it isn't that far fetched to believe that he would/could do a better job than what we have been seeing the past few seasons.

Not a knock on Taylor but he didn't graduate. Last I heard he plans to pursue a mathematics degree.

So the question would be can someone without a bachelor's degree be a college coach?

(11-08-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:08 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 12:41 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]So then .... Heinicke would need to "learn the ropes as a position coach". Is that so he could hopefully one day end up as solid as the guy ODU has as their Offensive Coordinator today? My guess is that Heinicke would be an improvement over what we have been seeing, starting with the very first game that he was calling the plays. Even if it was next season.

Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

This is like the stars don't matter argument for recruiting. Is it possible that someone who has never coached at the college level could jump right into a D1 program and find success, I guess anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely. We have seen this attempted in basketball the last few years with almost no success, and running a football program is a much more expansive task than a basketball program.

Look at FSU, there is some talk about Deion being a head coach. Anyone think that works out well?

There have been tons of high profile football players that thought they could dip their toes into coaching and they are soon out of the game. It's safe to say someone that has no coaching experience would not do good in charge of a side of the ball (offensive coordinator in this instance).

Heinicke could be worse. Much worse.

How much worse could he be than what ODU has? Even if he was, how could anyone tell the difference? They have won 1 game. A game they pulled out late in the 4th quarter at home, before a packed house, against a mediocre FCS opponent. Their play calling has been both pitiful and predictable. They have had 1 winning season in what, the last 5 seasons? The bar is so low this season that it is hard to imagine any way for it to be any lower no matter who is coaching.

For the record ..... I'm not touting Heinicke for the position. I don't know him personally, and have no idea if he would have any interest at all in coaching at ODU or anywhere else (ever). I just said what I said because he was already brought up by someone else and one or two acted like it was crazy. What is going on now is what is crazy. All I'm saying is that the guys flying the plane have all but crashed it into the ground. Whoever the new OC (and HC) is next season, no matter who it is, it is doubtful that anyone would be here a year from now saying ... man where is the guy we had last year, we need him back.

(11-08-2019 07:28 PM)AimHigh Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:32 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:08 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2019 11:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-07-2019 08:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

Football coaches have to earn their stripes through years of grinding long hours. It's silly to think he could walk in with no coaching experience and be the offensive coordinator. Just because you can play doesn't mean you can coach.

Just because you can play doesn't mean that you CAN'T coach either Giles. Anybody can through out statements like that.

As far as the "earn their stripes" rhetoric goes, how is that working for ODU the last few years? That guy has been a coach at ODU for several years so he has plenty of "stripes". To use your kind of analogy ..... just because someone has plenty of "stripes" doesn't mean they can coach. ODU's play calling the last few years has largely been predictable, unimaginative, and maybe the worst that I have seen from any team during that period. Heinicke (for example) would have a difficult time being any worse than what we have seen, and most anybody - him included - would likely be an improvement.

This is like the stars don't matter argument for recruiting. Is it possible that someone who has never coached at the college level could jump right into a D1 program and find success, I guess anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely. We have seen this attempted in basketball the last few years with almost no success, and running a football program is a much more expansive task than a basketball program.

It's not like addressing a high school basketball player's talent at all. Athleticism, size, and skill sets (i.e. handling the ball, shooting stats, rebounding stats, etc.) are easy to see and obtain. For example, back in the 70's I had never heard the name Ronnie Valentine before. I went to see a basketball game between Portsmouth Catholic and Norfolk Catholic with a student of the Portsmouth school. I had been a big ODU fan for several years at the time. Within 10 minutes of watching Ronnie play I wished that he was being recruited by ODU. Little did I know that he was. I felt sure that he would be an extremely good player for them, and he was.

We are talking about replacing the offensive coordinator in this case. He does not "run the football program". That's the head coach's job.

Heinicke has a very good head on his shoulders. He was an Engineering grad. One of his strengths has always been reading defenses. He has been under the tutelage of several good professional (NFL) head coaches and offensive coordinators since he left ODU. He has learned the play books of at least 3 or 4 different pro teams during that time, in addition to the one he learned at ODU. He has actually called plays in games already in the form of calling audibles, so calling plays would not be a foreign element to him. Sure there are never any guarantees with this sort of thing, but it isn't that far fetched to believe that he would/could do a better job than what we have been seeing the past few seasons.

Not a knock on Taylor but he didn't graduate. Last I heard he plans to pursue a mathematics degree.

So the question would be can someone without a bachelor's degree be a college coach?

I wasn't sure if he graduated or not. Doesn't matter. My message was that he has a good head on his shoulders by evidence of his being in the study of Engineering - or Math if he switches over to that as well.

Bump. Thanks Bobby. Bye Bobby.

He can't coach with the lead gets too conservative on play calling

What happened to all the slants and cross the middle patterns Wolff was having success with in the first half? Did UTSA adjust to take them away or did Scott stop calling what was working?

If Fitzgerald can get his emotions in check he could be a very good receiver. He definitely has the body for it.

Please ODU don't hire Taylor as an OC!

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(11-09-2019 07:23 PM)VB Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]What happened to all the slants and cross the middle patterns Wolff was having success with in the first half? Did UTSA adjust to take them away or did Scott stop calling what was working?

If Fitzgerald can get his emotions in check he could be a very good receiver. He definitely has the body for it.

They hit a couple crossing patterns but the offense was essentially go routes vs man coverage. They widened safeties and Wolf hit more shorter passes over the middle in 2H.

I dont think team got conservative. Defense used safeties in 2 deep and prevented the 1v1s outside.