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got dang, Houston.

(12-22-2018 06:48 PM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]Houston you have a problem, you suck!

70-14 as Major Applewhite is reduced in rank to unemployed perhaps.

Army is good but not that good.

Did Houston consult TT on bowlcationing?

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Did Houston consult TT on bowlcationing?
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Amen!

Saturday, Dec. 22
SoFi Hawai'i Bowl/10:30 p.m. ET, ESPN
Louisiana Tech vs. Hawaii +1
La Tech 31 (8-5)
Hawaii 14 (8-6)

That takes care of the bowl games until Wednesday...

Conference Results:
ACC (1-0)
Sun (3-1)
CUSA (4-2)
MW (2-2)
AAC (1-3)
MAC (1-5)
P12 (0-1)

The AAC: We're still better than the MAC!

(12-23-2018 01:34 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC: We're still better than the MAC!

Temple, Cincinnati and UCF will take care of business in their bowls. The beasts are in the East this year.

With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

(12-23-2018 04:02 PM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

(12-23-2018 01:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 01:34 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC: We're still better than the MAC!

Temple, Cincinnati and UCF will take care of business in their bowls. The beasts are in the East this year.

UCF without Milton is vulnerable.

(12-23-2018 04:54 PM)Recluse1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 01:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 01:34 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC: We're still better than the MAC!

Temple, Cincinnati and UCF will take care of business in their bowls. The beasts are in the East this year.

UCF without Milton is vulnerable.

I don't know. UCF has been on this stage before and still has a chip on their shoulder. Teams get motivated to play for different reasons and it will be interesting to see how LSU responds. I still like UCF in this game despite the loss of Milton. I think I would be more concerned if the backup took the reigns just a few weeks before this game.

Games on the slate today...

Wednesday, Dec. 26
SERVPRO First Responder Bowl/1:30 p.m. ET, ESPN
Boston College vs. Boise State -2.5

Quick Lane Bowl/5:15 p.m. ET, ESPN
Minnesota vs. Georgia Tech -6

Cheez-It Bowl/9 p.m. ET, ESPN
California vs. TCU +1

(12-23-2018 04:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:02 PM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

(12-26-2018 11:28 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:02 PM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

I am not sure bowl games matter as much you think. Having a healthy program that is threat to win league titles is probably good enough for whatever happens in expansion, which most likely is going to be a best of the rest conference unde the American or Big XII name.

(12-26-2018 11:28 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:02 PM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

START looking elsewhere? I don't think we've ever stopped over the past few years.

(12-26-2018 11:38 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:28 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:02 PM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

I am not sure bowl games matter as much you think. Having a healthy program that is threat to win league titles is probably good enough for whatever happens in expansion, which most likely is going to be a best of the rest conference unde the American or Big XII name.

This is unquestionably true. Winning or being competitive in the huge bowls makes a difference for the league and has been something the AAC has done well, but nobody remembers minor bowls for more than a couple of days. Everyone sees them as glorified exhibitions.

(12-26-2018 01:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:38 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:28 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:02 PM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

I am not sure bowl games matter as much you think. Having a healthy program that is threat to win league titles is probably good enough for whatever happens in expansion, which most likely is going to be a best of the rest conference unde the American or Big XII name.

This is unquestionably true. Winning or being competitive in the huge bowls makes a different for the league and has been something the AAC has done well, but nobody remembers minor bowls for more than a couple of days. Everyone sees them as glorified exhibitions.

It does give the ability to pad the W's column. 11-2 looks better than 10-3 looks better than 9-4. I agree though - one game (including a bowl game) does not make a program, unless it is the national championship game.

Dallas bowl delayed with BC up 7-0 Boise

Delayed by lightning.

(12-26-2018 01:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:38 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:28 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:02 PM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]With all this P# talk, we better hope we're on the winning side of the conference bowl record as the American approaches its Come to Jesus moment with contract negotiations.

TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

I am not sure bowl games matter as much you think. Having a healthy program that is threat to win league titles is probably good enough for whatever happens in expansion, which most likely is going to be a best of the rest conference unde the American or Big XII name.

This is unquestionably true. Winning or being competitive in the huge bowls makes a difference for the league and has been something the AAC has done well, but nobody remembers minor bowls for more than a couple of days. Everyone sees them as glorified exhibitions.

That makes no sense whatsoever. So if UCF sweeps through the AAC undefeated and wins their huge bowl, then all of a sudden the AAC looks like a good league? Wrong. It only validates UCF. In an ideal world. BOTH need to happen. The AAC wins the majority of their bowls, and UCF wins theirs.

League bowl record matters in regards to league perception (but has no impact on expansion or TV negotiations). Just ask the Pac-12 last year. They were considered a pretty good league last year. But a horrible bowl season mucked it up:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017...conference

With three-fourths of the conference headed to bowl games, there was potential for the Pac-12 to have an impressive showing and prove that despite not having a team qualify for the College Football Playoff, it is still one of the better Power-5 conferences. Instead, Utah was the only one of the nine teams to win its bowl game and the Pac-12 ended the bowl season with the worst record ever for a Power-5 Conference for an entire bowl season.

(12-26-2018 03:30 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 01:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:38 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:28 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018 04:38 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]TV contracts are not going to be affected by the 2018 bowl record. These are talks that will encompass a multiyear period, ultimately affected by television markets, long-term sustainability, etc. No one is going to say "oh, Houston got slammed by Army, let's cut our offer by $5M." What they will say, however, is "Houston has faltered since Tom Herman left, can they maintain a high level of success with continued interest in one of the largest television markets in the country?" Losing a single bowl game won't change the answer to that question.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

I am not sure bowl games matter as much you think. Having a healthy program that is threat to win league titles is probably good enough for whatever happens in expansion, which most likely is going to be a best of the rest conference unde the American or Big XII name.

This is unquestionably true. Winning or being competitive in the huge bowls makes a difference for the league and has been something the AAC has done well, but nobody remembers minor bowls for more than a couple of days. Everyone sees them as glorified exhibitions.

That makes no sense whatsoever. So if UCF sweeps through the AAC undefeated and wins their huge bowl, then all of a sudden the AAC looks like a good league? Wrong. It only validates UCF. In an ideal world. BOTH need to happen. The AAC wins the majority of their bowls, and UCF wins theirs.

League bowl record matters in regards to league perception (but has no impact on expansion or TV negotiations). Just ask the Pac-12 last year. They were considered a pretty good league last year. But a horrible bowl season mucked it up:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017...conference

With three-fourths of the conference headed to bowl games, there was potential for the Pac-12 to have an impressive showing and prove that despite not having a team qualify for the College Football Playoff, it is still one of the better Power-5 conferences. Instead, Utah was the only one of the nine teams to win its bowl game and the Pac-12 ended the bowl season with the worst record ever for a Power-5 Conference for an entire bowl season.

Without looking what was the Mountain West Bowl Record in 2017?

What was the AAC?

What was the SEC?

What was the Big Ten?

How about 2016?

Hell just tell me what conferences were good in the bowls in 2016 and what conferences were not? I follow college football incredibly closely and had to go look it up then vaguely remembered. The idea that people carry bowl records into the next year is just kind of silly.

(12-26-2018 03:34 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 03:30 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 01:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:38 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:28 AM)crex043 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why UC needs to focus on getting on the right side of the win column in future bowl appearances because if the AAC cannot demonstrate consistency with its top programs and we get lowballed as a result and start looking elsewhere, the next step to take place is for other conferences to start picking off teams that have shown a high level of consistency.

I am not sure bowl games matter as much you think. Having a healthy program that is threat to win league titles is probably good enough for whatever happens in expansion, which most likely is going to be a best of the rest conference unde the American or Big XII name.

This is unquestionably true. Winning or being competitive in the huge bowls makes a difference for the league and has been something the AAC has done well, but nobody remembers minor bowls for more than a couple of days. Everyone sees them as glorified exhibitions.

That makes no sense whatsoever. So if UCF sweeps through the AAC undefeated and wins their huge bowl, then all of a sudden the AAC looks like a good league? Wrong. It only validates UCF. In an ideal world. BOTH need to happen. The AAC wins the majority of their bowls, and UCF wins theirs.

League bowl record matters in regards to league perception (but has no impact on expansion or TV negotiations). Just ask the Pac-12 last year. They were considered a pretty good league last year. But a horrible bowl season mucked it up:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017...conference

With three-fourths of the conference headed to bowl games, there was potential for the Pac-12 to have an impressive showing and prove that despite not having a team qualify for the College Football Playoff, it is still one of the better Power-5 conferences. Instead, Utah was the only one of the nine teams to win its bowl game and the Pac-12 ended the bowl season with the worst record ever for a Power-5 Conference for an entire bowl season.

Without looking what was the Mountain West Bowl Record in 2017?

What was the AAC?

What was the SEC?

What was the Big Ten?

How about 2016?

Hell just tell me what conferences were good in the bowls in 2016 and what conferences were not? I follow college football incredibly closely and had to go look it up then vaguely remembered. The idea that people carry bowl records into the next year is just kind of silly.

Unless something odd or historical happens bowl performances by a school or conference are usually forgotten.

(12-26-2018 03:37 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 03:34 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 03:30 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 01:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2018 11:38 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: [ -> ]I am not sure bowl games matter as much you think. Having a healthy program that is threat to win league titles is probably good enough for whatever happens in expansion, which most likely is going to be a best of the rest conference unde the American or Big XII name.

This is unquestionably true. Winning or being competitive in the huge bowls makes a difference for the league and has been something the AAC has done well, but nobody remembers minor bowls for more than a couple of days. Everyone sees them as glorified exhibitions.

That makes no sense whatsoever. So if UCF sweeps through the AAC undefeated and wins their huge bowl, then all of a sudden the AAC looks like a good league? Wrong. It only validates UCF. In an ideal world. BOTH need to happen. The AAC wins the majority of their bowls, and UCF wins theirs.

League bowl record matters in regards to league perception (but has no impact on expansion or TV negotiations). Just ask the Pac-12 last year. They were considered a pretty good league last year. But a horrible bowl season mucked it up:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017...conference

With three-fourths of the conference headed to bowl games, there was potential for the Pac-12 to have an impressive showing and prove that despite not having a team qualify for the College Football Playoff, it is still one of the better Power-5 conferences. Instead, Utah was the only one of the nine teams to win its bowl game and the Pac-12 ended the bowl season with the worst record ever for a Power-5 Conference for an entire bowl season.

Without looking what was the Mountain West Bowl Record in 2017?

What was the AAC?

What was the SEC?

What was the Big Ten?

How about 2016?

Hell just tell me what conferences were good in the bowls in 2016 and what conferences were not? I follow college football incredibly closely and had to go look it up then vaguely remembered. The idea that people carry bowl records into the next year is just kind of silly.

Unless something odd or historical happens bowl performances by a school or conference are usually forgotten.

The PAC 12 apparently had the worst bowl season in P5 history last year and I had completely forgotten about it until catman posted that article.