I still don't understand what you're saying.
I'm not being snarky, and I absolutely am not trying to argue a point --- honestly I'm just waiting for someone to explain, simply, who has disrespected Coach Graham and in what specific manner? My apologies if I've missed something obvious...
(05-04-2018 05:58 PM)Barney Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't understand what you're saying.
I'm not being snarky, and I absolutely am not trying to argue a point --- honestly I'm just waiting for someone to explain, simply, who has disrespected Coach Graham and in what specific manner? My apologies if I've missed something obvious...
Don't worry any alternative opinion Ant will be silenced. That is how the crew continue to promote while the Emporer is wearing no clothes. The SO is is clearly too emotional to be objective.
Never known Ant to be silenced.
(05-03-2018 04:05 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 03:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 03:51 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I repeat:
last year we won our 21st conference title, 16 of 20 silver gloves, and extended the post-season run to 23 years - third among active colleges behind cal-state Fullerton and Florida state and second among active coaches out of some 300 competing d1 programs....we finished second to the eventual national runners-up - LSU - at their field....yeah, I think it acceptable, especially considering everyone else but our coaching staff had given up on this team and tried and continues to try to undermine this program for the last several years....yeah, totally acceptable.
as stated by a former player....any other rice coach doing less should be removed...where does that leave rice athletics?
We finished 8th? in CUSA last year.... if we somehow make the tournament and win 4 games in a row this year for a repeat I would still consider our level of play subpar. We’ve made so many mental mistake this year I can’t even watch a full game.
We won the tournament last year...our 21st conference title...we extended our post-season run for the 23rd year - 3rd longest run behind CalState Fullerton and Florida State...2nd longest run for a active coach...We finished second to LSU, at LSU, who finished second in the college World Series. If you can't watch a full game, don't. You want to downplay what our team did last year, I won't allow it any longer.
Hard to 'downplay' a mediocre (at best) W/L record and an extremely poor conference standing. Really happy that the the team 'caught lightning in a bottle' to qualify for the conference tournament *and* win it -- since if they hadnt there is *NFW* they would have made the NCAA tournament. Interesting that you portray that as a 'great' year.... I see it as highlighting the fundamental weaknesses that are so much more glaringly apparent this year.....
(05-06-2018 06:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 04:05 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 03:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 03:51 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I repeat:
last year we won our 21st conference title, 16 of 20 silver gloves, and extended the post-season run to 23 years - third among active colleges behind cal-state Fullerton and Florida state and second among active coaches out of some 300 competing d1 programs....we finished second to the eventual national runners-up - LSU - at their field....yeah, I think it acceptable, especially considering everyone else but our coaching staff had given up on this team and tried and continues to try to undermine this program for the last several years....yeah, totally acceptable.
as stated by a former player....any other rice coach doing less should be removed...where does that leave rice athletics?
We finished 8th? in CUSA last year.... if we somehow make the tournament and win 4 games in a row this year for a repeat I would still consider our level of play subpar. We’ve made so many mental mistake this year I can’t even watch a full game.
We won the tournament last year...our 21st conference title...we extended our post-season run for the 23rd year - 3rd longest run behind CalState Fullerton and Florida State...2nd longest run for a active coach...We finished second to LSU, at LSU, who finished second in the college World Series. If you can't watch a full game, don't. You want to downplay what our team did last year, I won't allow it any longer.
Hard to 'downplay' a mediocre (at best) W/L record and an extremely poor conference standing. Really happy that the the team 'caught lightning in a bottle' to qualify for the conference tournament *and* win it -- since if they hadnt there is *NFW* they would have made the NCAA tournament. Interesting that you portray that as a 'great' year.... I see it as highlighting the fundamental weaknesses that are so much more glaringly apparent this year.....
PLEASE. We didn't simply catch "lightning in a bottle" in the CUSA tourney. We closed the season on an 18-4 run over the final 6 weeks. And say what you want, but the coaching staff has to receive some of the credit for making sure the team kept the faith and preaching that they could still achieve their season goals. Winning back the Silver Glove, winning our 21st conference championship in 22 years, and advancing to our 23 consecutive post-season.
(05-06-2018 07:17 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 06:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 04:05 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 03:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 03:51 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I repeat:
last year we won our 21st conference title, 16 of 20 silver gloves, and extended the post-season run to 23 years - third among active colleges behind cal-state Fullerton and Florida state and second among active coaches out of some 300 competing d1 programs....we finished second to the eventual national runners-up - LSU - at their field....yeah, I think it acceptable, especially considering everyone else but our coaching staff had given up on this team and tried and continues to try to undermine this program for the last several years....yeah, totally acceptable.
as stated by a former player....any other rice coach doing less should be removed...where does that leave rice athletics?
We finished 8th? in CUSA last year.... if we somehow make the tournament and win 4 games in a row this year for a repeat I would still consider our level of play subpar. We’ve made so many mental mistake this year I can’t even watch a full game.
We won the tournament last year...our 21st conference title...we extended our post-season run for the 23rd year - 3rd longest run behind CalState Fullerton and Florida State...2nd longest run for a active coach...We finished second to LSU, at LSU, who finished second in the college World Series. If you can't watch a full game, don't. You want to downplay what our team did last year, I won't allow it any longer.
Hard to 'downplay' a mediocre (at best) W/L record and an extremely poor conference standing. Really happy that the the team 'caught lightning in a bottle' to qualify for the conference tournament *and* win it -- since if they hadnt there is *NFW* they would have made the NCAA tournament. Interesting that you portray that as a 'great' year.... I see it as highlighting the fundamental weaknesses that are so much more glaringly apparent this year.....
PLEASE. We didn't simply catch "lightning in a bottle" in the CUSA tourney. We closed the season on an 18-4 run over the final 6 weeks. And say what you want, but the coaching staff has to receive some of the credit for making sure the team kept the faith and preaching that they could still achieve their season goals. Winning back the Silver Glove, winning our 21st conference championship in 22 years, and advancing to our 23 consecutive post-season.
And the coaching staff likewise has to accept responsibility for the craptastic beginning of the year. Great averaged with craptastic still comes out to mediocre.
(05-06-2018 07:52 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 07:17 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 06:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 04:05 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 03:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote: [ -> ]We finished 8th? in CUSA last year.... if we somehow make the tournament and win 4 games in a row this year for a repeat I would still consider our level of play subpar. We’ve made so many mental mistake this year I can’t even watch a full game.
We won the tournament last year...our 21st conference title...we extended our post-season run for the 23rd year - 3rd longest run behind CalState Fullerton and Florida State...2nd longest run for a active coach...We finished second to LSU, at LSU, who finished second in the college World Series. If you can't watch a full game, don't. You want to downplay what our team did last year, I won't allow it any longer.
Hard to 'downplay' a mediocre (at best) W/L record and an extremely poor conference standing. Really happy that the the team 'caught lightning in a bottle' to qualify for the conference tournament *and* win it -- since if they hadnt there is *NFW* they would have made the NCAA tournament. Interesting that you portray that as a 'great' year.... I see it as highlighting the fundamental weaknesses that are so much more glaringly apparent this year.....
PLEASE. We didn't simply catch "lightning in a bottle" in the CUSA tourney. We closed the season on an 18-4 run over the final 6 weeks. And say what you want, but the coaching staff has to receive some of the credit for making sure the team kept the faith and preaching that they could still achieve their season goals. Winning back the Silver Glove, winning our 21st conference championship in 22 years, and advancing to our 23 consecutive post-season.
And the coaching staff likewise has to accept responsibility for the craptastic beginning of the year. Great averaged with craptastic still comes out to mediocre.
Several facts. Baseball has been in a steady decline for almost 10 years hitting rock bottom last 2 years. Pure luck to make NCAA tournament. Wayne believes he could coach another 5 years.delusional in that regard. Wayne is not as sharp as 10 years ago. Assistants do virtually nothing and have little input into decisions. Hallmark was frustrated as hell. Players do NOT like playing for Wayne. There performance shows it. Also other than the glory years recent grads do not return or as seen around the Reck. Most could not wait to leave. Wayne does not recruit or even meet players before arriving on campus. Wayne is not a draw. Players go to Rice because of other factors not to play for Wayne. JK knows that. Rice will do better once Wayne is gone. The program owes him gratitude for the one national championship he delivered. That is ancient news. Time to turn the page and get some new blood. There are many reasons Rice will attract top players. Recruiting will even improve.
(05-10-2018 08:24 PM)richmond Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 07:52 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 07:17 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 06:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2018 04:05 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ]We won the tournament last year...our 21st conference title...we extended our post-season run for the 23rd year - 3rd longest run behind CalState Fullerton and Florida State...2nd longest run for a active coach...We finished second to LSU, at LSU, who finished second in the college World Series. If you can't watch a full game, don't. You want to downplay what our team did last year, I won't allow it any longer.
Hard to 'downplay' a mediocre (at best) W/L record and an extremely poor conference standing. Really happy that the the team 'caught lightning in a bottle' to qualify for the conference tournament *and* win it -- since if they hadnt there is *NFW* they would have made the NCAA tournament. Interesting that you portray that as a 'great' year.... I see it as highlighting the fundamental weaknesses that are so much more glaringly apparent this year.....
PLEASE. We didn't simply catch "lightning in a bottle" in the CUSA tourney. We closed the season on an 18-4 run over the final 6 weeks. And say what you want, but the coaching staff has to receive some of the credit for making sure the team kept the faith and preaching that they could still achieve their season goals. Winning back the Silver Glove, winning our 21st conference championship in 22 years, and advancing to our 23 consecutive post-season.
And the coaching staff likewise has to accept responsibility for the craptastic beginning of the year. Great averaged with craptastic still comes out to mediocre.
Several facts. Baseball has been in a steady decline for almost 10 years hitting rock bottom last 2 years. Pure luck to make NCAA tournament. Wayne believes he could coach another 5 years.delusional in that regard. Wayne is not as sharp as 10 years ago. Assistants do virtually nothing and have little input into decisions. Hallmark was frustrated as hell. Players do NOT like playing for Wayne. There performance shows it. Also other than the glory years recent grads do not return or as seen around the Reck. Most could not wait to leave. Wayne does not recruit or even meet players before arriving on campus. Wayne is not a draw. Players go to Rice because of other factors not to play for Wayne. JK knows that. Rice will do better once Wayne is gone. The program owes him gratitude for the one national championship he delivered. That is ancient news. Time to turn the page and get some new blood. There are many reasons Rice will attract top players. Recruiting will even improve.
wow....seriously delusional, factually wrong and agenda driven post - obviously a lance person...Lance Berkman tried to drive a wedge in his limited time as a student assistant among the coaches and the players...he took each one aside and asked why they were not given more input...each one responded they had plenty of input, especially at the coaches meetings held each day, in which they discussed line-ups, scouting and recruiting...All, including Wayne, watched videos on the teams performance, advanced scouting and potential recruits...to say Wayne Graham allowed no input from his coaches is coming from a former "student-assistant", who bragged about being 3-0 against the honor council. You do not succeed in any business without the competent council of co-workers...PERIOD.
He tried to drive a wedge between the coaches and players on a daily basis...I remarked, if it were anyone else, he'd be fired already. Oh, and he no-showed the two games against outside opposition in the fall without telling anyone...dude had to go hunting....we got beat 16-2 by Lamar in the first game...so much for that hitting teaching prowess.
Wayne and Patrick Hallmark are very much in contact and Wayne would be honored and proud if he took over the reigns for he feels he is the most qualified. Berkman called Hallmark a bobblehead under his divisive tenure as a student-assistant coach....Another coach, at that time, said Berkman was the most divisive person in a locker room he had ever experienced....
oh, but as Lance told the incoming freshman class of 2014 team,,,and several others outside the meeting, "I'm 3-0 against the honor council"...what a sterling example of integrity...and he also "majored in eligibility"
"Baseball has been in a steady decline for almost 10 years hitting rock bottom last 2 years."
Hello? agenda? again? 10 years ago we were in Omaha...2009, we were the highest rated program in the US over the 10 year period...2013 we upset a top 8 seed, Oregon, at Oregon and was sent to NC State and lost in the bottom of the ninth in game one and lost in 17 innings in game two... we have won 21 of the last 22 conference tournaments, and extended a post-season streak to 23 consecutive years behind Cal-State Fullerton and Florida State - pure luck, I suppose...and Rice had never won a conference championship or been in the post-season pre-Wayne Graham.
Lots of undermining going on with this program....especially since 2014.
how does coaching at the lowest level of high school, where you can recruit, qualify anyone for coaching at a D1 program?...He called UT and could not get an interview.
Berkman brings money and the work ethic of a sloth...through his non compensation, through Pettitte's non-compensation, through their donations to the new campaign to the Baldwins and our BOT....This is a money and power grab.
So much more to reveal...
(05-10-2018 09:18 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ]"Baseball has been in a steady decline for almost 10 years hitting rock bottom last 2 years."
Hello? agenda? again? 10 years ago we were in Omaha...2009, we were the highest rated program in the US over the 10 year period...2013 we upset a top 8 seed, Oregon, at Oregon and was sent to NC State and lost in the bottom of the ninth in game one and lost in 17 innings in game two... we have won 21 of the last 22 conference tournaments, and extended a post-season streak to 23 consecutive years behind Cal-State Fullerton and Florida State...and Rice had never won a conference championship or been in the post-season pre-Wayne Graham.
Lots of undermining going on with this program....especially since 2014.
You don't make sense and support my assertion. Steady decline past 10 years since Omaha. Other points you cleverly ignore. This is not only about recruiting but a significant issue. Wayne is no longer a draw. In fact he is albatross around the program. Turn the page and time to move on. It is truly sad to see someone not know when to step aside with dignity. He is better than that.
Anyone who thinks that sweeping the conference tourney is a credible path to the NCAAs is delusional. Last year was pure luck just like this year would be pure luck if we do it again. The team has some talent, but the body of work the last two years is bottom barrel quality.
(05-10-2018 09:24 PM)flash3200 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thinks that sweeping the conference tourney is a credible path to the NCAAs is delusional. Last year was pure luck just like this year would be pure luck if we do it again. The team has some talent, but the body of work the last two years is bottom barrel quality.
Ever wonder why two of the highest-profile players he's ever coached would turn on him and not support him to lead the program? Speaks volumes and in line with how most of the recent players feel
(05-10-2018 09:22 PM)richmond Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018 09:18 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ]"Baseball has been in a steady decline for almost 10 years hitting rock bottom last 2 years."
Hello? agenda? again? 10 years ago we were in Omaha...2009, we were the highest rated program in the US over the 10 year period...2013 we upset a top 8 seed, Oregon, at Oregon and was sent to NC State and lost in the bottom of the ninth in game one and lost in 17 innings in game two... we have won 21 of the last 22 conference tournaments, and extended a post-season streak to 23 consecutive years behind Cal-State Fullerton and Florida State...and Rice had never won a conference championship or been in the post-season pre-Wayne Graham.
Lots of undermining going on with this program....especially since 2014.
You don't make sense and support my assertion. Steady decline past 10 years since Omaha. Other points you cleverly ignore. This is not only about recruiting but a significant issue. Wayne is no longer a draw. In fact he is albatross around the program. Turn the page and time to move on. It is truly sad to see someone not know when to step aside with dignity. He is better than that.
Prior to Wayne, we had no worthwhile baseball program. When I was there in the late 70’s, we had a temporary field behind Hansen. There was a ditch running through left field. A temporary fence was installed annually. To say that we will be a premier program without Wayne is requiring a significant amount of faith. If he is such a bad coach play for don’t you think Jose Cruz would have had his grandson go elsewhere?
(05-10-2018 09:28 PM)richmond Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018 09:24 PM)flash3200 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thinks that sweeping the conference tourney is a credible path to the NCAAs is delusional. Last year was pure luck just like this year would be pure luck if we do it again. The team has some talent, but the body of work the last two years is bottom barrel quality.
Ever wonder why two of the highest-profile players he's ever coached would turn on him and not support him to lead the program? Speaks volumes and in line with how most of the recent players feel
because he's bored and can't get a job anywhere else....and there's a major fundraising campaign underway....follow the money trail
Why was last year pure luck? The Owls has some big performances to win in MS last year.
(05-10-2018 09:29 PM)jhruzek Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018 09:22 PM)richmond Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018 09:18 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ]"Baseball has been in a steady decline for almost 10 years hitting rock bottom last 2 years."
Hello? agenda? again? 10 years ago we were in Omaha...2009, we were the highest rated program in the US over the 10 year period...2013 we upset a top 8 seed, Oregon, at Oregon and was sent to NC State and lost in the bottom of the ninth in game one and lost in 17 innings in game two... we have won 21 of the last 22 conference tournaments, and extended a post-season streak to 23 consecutive years behind Cal-State Fullerton and Florida State...and Rice had never won a conference championship or been in the post-season pre-Wayne Graham.
Lots of undermining going on with this program....especially since 2014.
You don't make sense and support my assertion. Steady decline past 10 years since Omaha. Other points you cleverly ignore. This is not only about recruiting but a significant issue. Wayne is no longer a draw. In fact he is albatross around the program. Turn the page and time to move on. It is truly sad to see someone not know when to step aside with dignity. He is better than that.
Prior to Wayne, we had no worthwhile baseball program. When I was there in the late 70’s, we had a temporary field behind Hansen. There was a ditch running through left field. A temporary fence was installed annually. To say that we will be a premier program without Wayne is requiring a significant amount of faith. If he is such a bad coach play for don’t you think Jose Cruz would have had his grandson go elsewhere?
Jose Cruz has had three sons and now two grandsons signed up to play for Wayne Graham...
(05-10-2018 09:31 PM)At Ease Wrote: [ -> ]Why was last year pure luck? The Owls has some big performances to win in MS last year.
it's about agenda....Wayne really messed up the JK plan with the 2017 conference championship...The 2017 team was not recognized at any event last year...the 1997 team was....and it was when Wayne was to be out of town....Wayne found out the day before and showed up for the "recognition"....another messed up plan for JK
(05-10-2018 09:31 PM)skycatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018 09:28 PM)richmond Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018 09:24 PM)flash3200 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thinks that sweeping the conference tourney is a credible path to the NCAAs is delusional. Last year was pure luck just like this year would be pure luck if we do it again. The team has some talent, but the body of work the last two years is bottom barrel quality.
Ever wonder why two of the highest-profile players he's ever coached would turn on him and not support him to lead the program? Speaks volumes and in line with how most of the recent players feel
because he can't get a job anywhere else....and there's a major fundraising campaign underway....follow the money trail
It isn't about Lance. The program would be much better off with any number of coaches. You sell the university and appeal of Rice short. Do you really believe Coastal Carolina is more of a draw to play baseball than rice? Come on how narrow-minded to think there's only one person that can lead rice baseball especially one who has led it in decline for 10 years. Like FSU did not move on after Bowden. Looks like Bama is doing just fine after Bryant. Check your ego as he isn't irreplaceable. He also wion when college baseball was far less competitive. Many more programs are taking baseball seriously now.