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(12-08-2017 01:12 PM)va-eagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 01:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 04:49 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ]I like all of the schools in CUSA, but to me UAB feels so out of place in the West. Playing all of these Texas schools feels weird (outside of UTEP in basketball).

I feel like if you reconfigured CUSA and the SB, the state of Alabama schools would get shafted one way or another being on the edge of both the East and West of what's remaining.

UAB, USA, Troy, and MTSU to some extent feel like the most middle points. Obviously the F_Us are sort of on their own island though regardless, but they would be East.

Still I don't think any of it will happen

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Bankowsky wanted to fix that by going to 16 but the eastern schools balked wanting JMU to be part of the expansion and it all fell apart.

Thank goodness. 14 is 4 too many!

5 too many.

(12-08-2017 02:51 PM)va-eagle Wrote: [ -> ]At one time, someone on this forum posted some school's travel expense costs. If I recall, they were lower than what everyone would have guessed (in the $300k range). Then the discussion was that regional alignment really wouldn't move the travel cost savings needle enough to care. I don't think there is any realignment scenario with the SBC that is going to energize the USM fan base to the point where attendance is impacted (and probably same for many other schools) enough to justify a change.

Out of all the SBC and CUSA teams, Marshall is highest on my list for a home game in H'burg. Appalachian St would be second. If I only had $s to go to 2 games, those would be them. Neither of those schools would be grouped with USM in a regional divide.

Nothing should change, but maybe some teams dropping to FCS so CUSA can get to 12 or less teams. If there was a SBC or CUSA realignment, we still wouldn't be happy because attendance would still suck and the travel savings wouldn't be enough to matter.

Lol may I say that I detect a hint of superiority from USM...but I don't know your school's history. Do other schools share the same thoughts as USM? If CUSA schools are okay with the status quo, then I suppose this is a non-topic.

(12-08-2017 03:15 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 02:29 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 02:03 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 01:37 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote: [ -> ]Why aren't SunBelt and CUSA realigning between West and East? I believe neither conference makes enough profits to justify the wide geographical footprint.

Lets trade some teams. CUSA can have Texas State, ULL, ULM, Ark State, and USA. That should generate some nice in-state games in Texas and Louisiana.

Some teams along the Atlantic Coast can join the SunBelt. App State and CCU wanted some nearby teams in the conference. Problem solved!

Problem is that you have an uneven amount of teams (assuming NMSU is included). If you leave them out then its fine, but it takes away a very close game for UTEP. If they are in, then a school needs to be brought up from FCS. Most likely is 2 conferences of 12 with NMSU out vs. one conference at 14 and one at 12.

But you would have 9 schools west of the Mississippi, so then take USM, USA and Troy. The rest go to the other 12 team conference. It's geographically coherent at least and relatively equal.

But it's not likely to happen, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

NMSU and Idaho were booted.

conference 1: UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, TXST, ULM, ULL, LA Tech, USM, Ark State (maybe invite NMSU if another suitable school wants to join)
conference 2: FIU, FAU, GS, GSU, CCU, App State, MTSU, WKU, Marshall, Charlotte, ODU, Troy, UAB, USA

If conference 2 gets the same amount of money per team, then fine. Other than that, there's no way a 14/10 split is going to happen.

The Alabama teams can split if needed probably. Troy and USA can go West

(12-08-2017 02:51 PM)va-eagle Wrote: [ -> ]At one time, someone on this forum posted some school's travel expense costs. If I recall, they were lower than what everyone would have guessed (in the $300k range). Then the discussion was that regional alignment really wouldn't move the travel cost savings needle enough to care. I don't think there is any realignment scenario with the SBC that is going to energize the USM fan base to the point where attendance is impacted (and probably same for many other schools) enough to justify a change.

Out of all the SBC and CUSA teams, Marshall is highest on my list for a home game in H'burg. Appalachian St would be second. If I only had $s to go to 2 games, those would be them. Neither of those schools would be grouped with USM in a regional divide.

Nothing should change, but maybe some teams dropping to FCS so CUSA can get to 12 or less teams. If there was a SBC or CUSA realignment, we still wouldn't be happy because attendance would still suck and the travel savings wouldn't be enough to matter.

That sounds incredibly low. Someone posted ODU's expected increase in travel expenses due to joining CUSA and it was well over a million. Hard to see how their expenses would increase by a million when another CUSA school would only have $300K in travel costs in total. A single football charter flight is likely to cost a minimum of $50K--and thats before you add in hotel, meals, equiptment shipping (by semi-truck), and charter bus services. I cant imagine it costs any less than a $100K every time a football team gets on a plane.

(12-08-2017 03:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 02:51 PM)va-eagle Wrote: [ -> ]At one time, someone on this forum posted some school's travel expense costs. If I recall, they were lower than what everyone would have guessed (in the $300k range). Then the discussion was that regional alignment really wouldn't move the travel cost savings needle enough to care. I don't think there is any realignment scenario with the SBC that is going to energize the USM fan base to the point where attendance is impacted (and probably same for many other schools) enough to justify a change.

Out of all the SBC and CUSA teams, Marshall is highest on my list for a home game in H'burg. Appalachian St would be second. If I only had $s to go to 2 games, those would be them. Neither of those schools would be grouped with USM in a regional divide.

Nothing should change, but maybe some teams dropping to FCS so CUSA can get to 12 or less teams. If there was a SBC or CUSA realignment, we still wouldn't be happy because attendance would still suck and the travel savings wouldn't be enough to matter.

That sounds incredibly low. Someone posted ODU's expected increase in travel expenses due to joining CUSA and it was well over a million. Hard to see how their expenses would increase by a million when another CUSA school would only have $300K in travel costs in total. A single football charter flight is likely to cost a minimum of $50K--and thats before you add in hotel, meals, equiptment shipping (by semi-truck), and charter bus services.

Yep. Plus you have to account for the travel cost of ALL teams....not just football.

(12-08-2017 03:38 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 02:51 PM)va-eagle Wrote: [ -> ]At one time, someone on this forum posted some school's travel expense costs. If I recall, they were lower than what everyone would have guessed (in the $300k range). Then the discussion was that regional alignment really wouldn't move the travel cost savings needle enough to care. I don't think there is any realignment scenario with the SBC that is going to energize the USM fan base to the point where attendance is impacted (and probably same for many other schools) enough to justify a change.

Out of all the SBC and CUSA teams, Marshall is highest on my list for a home game in H'burg. Appalachian St would be second. If I only had $s to go to 2 games, those would be them. Neither of those schools would be grouped with USM in a regional divide.

Nothing should change, but maybe some teams dropping to FCS so CUSA can get to 12 or less teams. If there was a SBC or CUSA realignment, we still wouldn't be happy because attendance would still suck and the travel savings wouldn't be enough to matter.

Lol may I say that I detect a hint of superiority from USM...but I don't know your school's history. Do other schools share the same thoughts as USM? If CUSA schools are okay with the status quo, then I suppose this is a non-topic.

Not really, I just know more about those 2 schools and have grown to have respect for their FB programs.

(12-08-2017 03:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 02:51 PM)va-eagle Wrote: [ -> ]At one time, someone on this forum posted some school's travel expense costs. If I recall, they were lower than what everyone would have guessed (in the $300k range). Then the discussion was that regional alignment really wouldn't move the travel cost savings needle enough to care. I don't think there is any realignment scenario with the SBC that is going to energize the USM fan base to the point where attendance is impacted (and probably same for many other schools) enough to justify a change.

Out of all the SBC and CUSA teams, Marshall is highest on my list for a home game in H'burg. Appalachian St would be second. If I only had $s to go to 2 games, those would be them. Neither of those schools would be grouped with USM in a regional divide.

Nothing should change, but maybe some teams dropping to FCS so CUSA can get to 12 or less teams. If there was a SBC or CUSA realignment, we still wouldn't be happy because attendance would still suck and the travel savings wouldn't be enough to matter.

That sounds incredibly low. Someone posted ODU's expected increase in travel expenses due to joining CUSA and it was well over a million. Hard to see how their expenses would increase by a million when another CUSA school would only have $300K in travel costs in total. A single football charter flight is likely to cost a minimum of $50K--and thats before you add in hotel, meals, equiptment shipping (by semi-truck), and charter bus services. I cant imagine it costs any less than a $100K every time a football team gets on a plane.

Yeah, it sounded low at the time, but they posted #s to back it up. I may be confusing the figure with what they estimated as savings. But using your figures, $100k * 6 games = $600k. $100k - $50k (flight) + $5k (bus) = $55k * 6 games = $330k. That is a net savings of $270k, but there is likely a flight in 1 of 6 games, being an OOC game. So savings would drop around $200k. That's just FB, so yea I could see it going north of $1M. ODU of course gets hit harder, being at outer edge of conference.

edit:
I found an article where it mentions ODU spent $3.7M on travel in '15-'16. Also says they spent $2.2M 3 years earlier when they were in Colonial Athletic Association.
https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...abcf2.html

(12-08-2017 01:37 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote: [ -> ]Why aren't SunBelt and CUSA realigning between West and East? I believe neither conference makes enough profits to justify the wide geographical footprint.

Lets trade some teams. CUSA can have Texas State, ULL, ULM, Ark State, and USA. That should generate some nice in-state games in Texas and Louisiana.

Some teams along the Atlantic Coast can join the SunBelt. App State and CCU wanted some nearby teams in the conference. Problem solved!

IF this happens, the names of the two new conferences will no longer be SunBelt and C-USA. Something along the lines of the East Coast Conference and the Big South Conference.

The problem with the current names is that they almost imply a wide geographic spread. Especially the C-USA.

(12-08-2017 03:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds incredibly low. Someone posted ODU's expected increase in travel expenses due to joining CUSA and it was well over a million. Hard to see how their expenses would increase by a million when another CUSA school would only have $300K in travel costs in total. A single football charter flight is likely to cost a minimum of $50K--and thats before you add in hotel, meals, equiptment shipping (by semi-truck), and charter bus services. I cant imagine it costs any less than a $100K every time a football team gets on a plane.

I wonder if the AAC travel isn't stressing the lower spend schools like ECU and Tulsa, who have been less successful recently. When all the Big East exit fees are gone, the travel costs may be more significant for the AAC, also.

(12-09-2017 12:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2017 03:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds incredibly low. Someone posted ODU's expected increase in travel expenses due to joining CUSA and it was well over a million. Hard to see how their expenses would increase by a million when another CUSA school would only have $300K in travel costs in total. A single football charter flight is likely to cost a minimum of $50K--and thats before you add in hotel, meals, equiptment shipping (by semi-truck), and charter bus services. I cant imagine it costs any less than a $100K every time a football team gets on a plane.

I wonder if the AAC travel isn't stressing the lower spend schools like ECU and Tulsa, who have been less successful recently. When all the Big East exit fees are gone, the travel costs may be more significant for the AAC, also.

The only schools that got the BE exit fees were USF, UConn, and Cincy. And either this year or next is the last payment of those.

If new conferences form from CUSA and the Sunbelt I hope three conferences emerge. Something like an eastern, mid-south, and southwestern conference with eight to ten teams each.

If a reshuffle happens, there will need to be another bowl thrown in the mix. CUSA currently has six, while SB only has 5. I can't imagine teams would be open to switching to a conference with one less bowl bid available.

If we switch to three conferences, which would be preferable IMO, each conference would get 4 bowl tie-ins. The trick then, will be to get an autobid for basketball for the new conference. If that can be done, maybe we will see something sensible one day.

When the BE and AAC split, who got to keep the autobid for hoops? Was it difficult for the other half to get a new autobid granted?

Three conferences? Wouldn't it mean no championship game in any one of them?

I think you can provided that a full round-robin is played within the conference.

AAC ➢ #14UCF vs #20Memphis : 2.3 rating, 3.385M viewers
CUSA ➢ North Texas vs FAU : n/a rating, 0.255M viewers

(12-09-2017 08:41 PM)grapes Wrote: [ -> ]AAC ➢ #14UCF vs #20Memphis : 2.3 rating, 3.385M viewers
CUSA ➢ North Texas vs FAU : n/a rating, 0.255M viewers

Hey! It's the grapes of wrath!

(12-09-2017 08:41 PM)grapes Wrote: [ -> ]AAC ➢ #14UCF vs #20Memphis : 2.3 rating, 3.385M viewers
CUSA ➢ North Texas vs FAU : n/a rating, 0.255M viewers

I suspect UCF vs. FAU would be a very interesting match-up. Neither team can stop the other's offense.

(12-09-2017 10:03 PM)goliath74 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2017 08:41 PM)grapes Wrote: [ -> ]AAC ➢ #14UCF vs #20Memphis : 2.3 rating, 3.385M viewers
CUSA ➢ North Texas vs FAU : n/a rating, 0.255M viewers

I suspect UCF vs. FAU would be a very interesting match-up. Neither team can stop the other's offense.

UCF would demolish FAU...

I'd love to see the following 8 break away:

UAB
Middle Tenn
WKU
ODU
Charlotte
Marshall
USM
La Tech

Then possibly add JMU, Ga Southern/etc/etc and play ball

The AAC will never be a P6 conference member because there will NEVER be a P6. Only an idiot would think that The P5 conferences will relinquish the strangle hold they now have on absolute power over what happens in college football. The sole reason that the access bowl exists at all is that the P5 conferences's want to prevent an anti trust lawsuit. Being a crybaby wannabe is very unbecoming, and the P6 drivel coming from AAC members is asinine and it makes them look foolish. They should instead celebrate being the "best of the rest" for now. That's as good as any of us can hope for.