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(12-13-2017 11:56 AM)grapes Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2017 06:46 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC will never be a P6 conference member because there will NEVER be a P6. Only an idiot would think that The P5 conferences will relinquish the strangle hold they now have on absolute power over what happens in college football. The sole reason that the access bowl exists at all is that the P5 conferences's want to prevent an anti trust lawsuit. Being a crybaby wannabe is very unbecoming, and the P6 drivel coming from AAC members is asinine and it makes them look foolish. They should instead celebrate being the "best of the rest" for now. That's as good as any of us can hope for.

Lol I love it! I can feel your bitterness through the computer.
Lets get this straight CUSA fan boy.

You can say we aren't P6 as much as you want but the point is.. we aren't you..
The AAC doesn't want anything to do with the G4 and wants to separate ourselves as much as possible.. we do it in wins, attendance, revenue, markets, and many other stats. why not mentally with a cute slogan

You think its foolish? I bet you do CUSA boy.
I'm not surprised this slogan insults you, so the responses are understandable.

Call us a joke, say we're foolish you think we care?
Thats all opinions.. You know whats a fact? We are far ahead of you.
You're struggling to compete with the Sun Belt and MAC, not even close to the MWC.

Had to respond because this is silly. Congrats to UCF on a great season and I personally feel they deserved better than their final ranking leading up to the "playoffs". Having said that, to any of the P6 dreamers from the AAC- you had a team in your conference go 12-0 and could not even break the top 10 in the one poll that mattered.
Is that P6? .....obviously no.
Yea the AAC is the current golden boy of the G5, but you're still G5. There's no debate.

(12-13-2017 01:50 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't directed at you necessarily. I should have been much less coarse. My apologies. My argument was not East West as much smaller football schools vs larger metro area universities

Ah, I definitely agree with you. Here's the data to back that up.

Population of cities from smallest to largest:
LA Tech in Ruston, LA: 22,370
Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, MS: 46,926
Marshall in Huntington, WV: 48,113
Western Kentucky in Bowling Green, KY: 65,234
Florida Atlantic in Boca Raton, FL: 96,114
Middle Tennessee in Murfreesboro, TN: 131,947
North Texas in Denton, TX: 133,808
UAB in Birmingham, AL: 212,157
Old Dominion in Norfolk, VA: 246,393
Florida International in Miami, FL: 453,579
UTEP in El Paso, TX: 683,080
Charlotte in Charlotte, NC: 842,051
UTSA in San Antonio, TX: 1,493,000
Rice in Houston, TX: 2,303,000

*Teams in BOLD have won at least one CUSA championship since the 2013 realignment. Teams UNDERLINED have won at least one CUSA division title, but not the championship.

(12-13-2017 11:56 AM)grapes Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2017 06:46 AM)BRtransplant Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC will never be a P6 conference member because there will NEVER be a P6. Only an idiot would think that The P5 conferences will relinquish the strangle hold they now have on absolute power over what happens in college football. The sole reason that the access bowl exists at all is that the P5 conferences's want to prevent an anti trust lawsuit. Being a crybaby wannabe is very unbecoming, and the P6 drivel coming from AAC members is asinine and it makes them look foolish. They should instead celebrate being the "best of the rest" for now. That's as good as any of us can hope for.

Lol I love it! I can feel your bitterness through the computer.
Lets get this straight CUSA fan boy.

You can say we aren't P6 as much as you want but the point is.. we aren't you..
The AAC doesn't want anything to do with the G4 and wants to separate ourselves as much as possible.. we do it in wins, attendance, revenue, markets, and many other stats. why not mentally with a cute slogan

You think its foolish? I bet you do CUSA boy.
I'm not surprised this slogan insults you, so the responses are understandable.

Call us a joke, say we're foolish you think we care?
Thats all opinions.. You know whats a fact? We are far ahead of you.
You're struggling to compete with the Sun Belt and MAC, not even close to the MWC.

You talk like 6th place is that much better than 7th or 8th or 9th, when the distance from 6th to 5th is a leap you will never make. Feel free to keep telling us how much better you are, but you are still not any closer to being relevant than we are. Congratulations on the particpation trophy slogan, it's very nice. Wish we had one!

The AAC is a good football conference. Right now the best of the G5. That won't last forever or always be the case. The SEC is usually the best conference in the P5, but thats not always the case either. The difference between the AAC and CUSA, MAC, SB is similar to the difference between the SEC and the PAC 10, ACC or B12. I'd say the MWC is like the B10 of the G5 too.

(12-13-2017 02:44 PM)thefaU Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 01:50 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't directed at you necessarily. I should have been much less coarse. My apologies. My argument was not East West as much smaller football schools vs larger metro area universities

Ah, I definitely agree with you. Here's the data to back that up.

Population of cities from smallest to largest:
LA Tech in Ruston, LA: 22,370
Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, MS: 46,926
Marshall in Huntington, WV: 48,113
Western Kentucky in Bowling Green, KY: 65,234
Florida Atlantic in Boca Raton, FL: 96,114
Middle Tennessee in Murfreesboro, TN: 131,947
North Texas in Denton, TX: 133,808
UAB in Birmingham, AL: 212,157
Old Dominion in Norfolk, VA: 246,393
Florida International in Miami, FL: 453,579
UTEP in El Paso, TX: 683,080
Charlotte in Charlotte, NC: 842,051
UTSA in San Antonio, TX: 1,493,000
Rice in Houston, TX: 2,303,000

*Teams in BOLD have won at least one CUSA championship since the 2013 realignment. Teams UNDERLINED have won at least one CUSA division title, but not the championship.

It bears pointing out that Norfolk is part of the Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Newport News region (which really should be one city). The region has over 1.5 million residents, and most of them within 20 miles of campus. Im pretty sure there are similar circumstances for FIU, FAU and Charlotte as well.

(12-13-2017 02:44 PM)thefaU Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 01:50 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't directed at you necessarily. I should have been much less coarse. My apologies. My argument was not East West as much smaller football schools vs larger metro area universities

Ah, I definitely agree with you. Here's the data to back that up.

Population of cities from smallest to largest:
LA Tech in Ruston, LA: 22,370
Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, MS: 46,926
Marshall in Huntington, WV: 48,113
Western Kentucky in Bowling Green, KY: 65,234
Florida Atlantic in Boca Raton, FL: 96,114
Middle Tennessee in Murfreesboro, TN: 131,947
North Texas in Denton, TX: 133,808
UAB in Birmingham, AL: 212,157
Old Dominion in Norfolk, VA: 246,393
Florida International in Miami, FL: 453,579
UTEP in El Paso, TX: 683,080
Charlotte in Charlotte, NC: 842,051
UTSA in San Antonio, TX: 1,493,000
Rice in Houston, TX: 2,303,000

*Teams in BOLD have won at least one CUSA championship since the 2013 realignment. Teams UNDERLINED have won at least one CUSA division title, but not the championship.

I honestly think that quality football is quality football. Tuscaloosa Metro Area is less than 225,000 people and Starkville is worse, but they control an entire state or large portion of a state which makes them viable. Our failure at Tech has been the inability to saturate North LA with Red White and Blue. CUSA teams as a whole all struggle with this little brother syndrome. If we aren't viable in Alexandria LA then what makes us viable in Norfolk, VA? This footprint doesn't give the promised exposure that necessitate being so expansive. A smaller footprint but not too small would better help us and others consolidate and familiarize folks with each others brand.

(12-13-2017 03:46 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 02:44 PM)thefaU Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 01:50 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't directed at you necessarily. I should have been much less coarse. My apologies. My argument was not East West as much smaller football schools vs larger metro area universities

Ah, I definitely agree with you. Here's the data to back that up.

Population of cities from smallest to largest:
LA Tech in Ruston, LA: 22,370
Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, MS: 46,926
Marshall in Huntington, WV: 48,113
Western Kentucky in Bowling Green, KY: 65,234
Florida Atlantic in Boca Raton, FL: 96,114
Middle Tennessee in Murfreesboro, TN: 131,947
North Texas in Denton, TX: 133,808
UAB in Birmingham, AL: 212,157
Old Dominion in Norfolk, VA: 246,393
Florida International in Miami, FL: 453,579
UTEP in El Paso, TX: 683,080
Charlotte in Charlotte, NC: 842,051
UTSA in San Antonio, TX: 1,493,000
Rice in Houston, TX: 2,303,000

*Teams in BOLD have won at least one CUSA championship since the 2013 realignment. Teams UNDERLINED have won at least one CUSA division title, but not the championship.

It bears pointing out that Norfolk is part of the Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Newport News region (which really should be one city). The region has over 1.5 million residents, and most of them within 20 miles of campus. Im pretty sure there are similar circumstances for FIU, FAU and Charlotte as well.

This is more acute than most are used too but it still serves its purpose. Denton is part of the Dallas Metroplex and Murfeesboro is not too far from Nashville.

(12-13-2017 12:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: [ -> ]Let me also add that there are a couple of things that will be MUSTS before you see realignment between the SBC and CUSA imho:

1) A 12/12 split. (We are 14 and they are 10)
2) TV money has to be equal
3) Bowl tie-ins divided equally
4) Conferences have to be divided so as to retain the autobid in bb.

IF it were to happen, CUSA might realign in a north/south fashion:

North: ODU, Marshall, MT, WKU, Charlotte, APP
South: GaSt, GS, CCU, FAU, FIU, UAB

Which leaves the Belt just as good:

East: USA, Troy, USM, ASU, ULL, ULM
West: UTEP, UNT, TXST, Rice, UTSA, LaTech

But it ain't gonna happen.

Why would you not have LT in the same division with USM, ULL, ASU, USA, TROY, AND ULM? That's just silly.

(12-13-2017 04:00 PM)TTT Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 12:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: [ -> ]Let me also add that there are a couple of things that will be MUSTS before you see realignment between the SBC and CUSA imho:

1) A 12/12 split. (We are 14 and they are 10)
2) TV money has to be equal
3) Bowl tie-ins divided equally
4) Conferences have to be divided so as to retain the autobid in bb.

IF it were to happen, CUSA might realign in a north/south fashion:

North: ODU, Marshall, MT, WKU, Charlotte, APP
South: GaSt, GS, CCU, FAU, FIU, UAB

Which leaves the Belt just as good:

East: USA, Troy, USM, ASU, ULL, ULM
West: UTEP, UNT, TXST, Rice, UTSA, LaTech

But it ain't gonna happen.

Why would you not have LT in the same division with USM, ULL, ASU, USA, TROY, AND ULM? That's just silly.

Tech makes its bread in East Texas. I personally wouldn't mind that version of a conference but we are going to have to change the name of it.

(12-13-2017 03:52 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 03:46 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]It bears pointing out that Norfolk is part of the Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Newport News region (which really should be one city). The region has over 1.5 million residents, and most of them within 20 miles of campus. Im pretty sure there are similar circumstances for FIU, FAU and Charlotte as well.

This is more acute than most are used too but it still serves its purpose. Denton is part of the Dallas Metroplex and Murfeesboro is not too far from Nashville.

I can only personally speak for Florida Atlantic at length. Boca Raton is the largest city in a 45-60min drive. You've got West Palm Beach (relatively the same size) to the north and Fort Lauderdale (about twice as large) to the south. I'd assume there are similar distances to metropolitan areas for every school. The Everglades are to the west of I-95 and the Florida Turnpike and the Atlantic Ocean is to the east. We don't have four, even three, directions like most cities do.

Also, Fort Lauderdale is about equidistant from Miami as it is to Boca Raton, which is a much larger market. So most of that traffic goes south. And Miami certainly has more population in it's surrounding areas; but we already knew they're larger than most others in the conference anyway, so I'm going to move on.

I want to point out that Florida Atlantic does not crossover into the Miami market. I think all too often we get lumped together with Florida International and Florida Atlantic is a much smaller university in a much smaller market.

Another thing I want to point out about Florida Atlantic is that we're spread out across six (previously seven) campuses up and down the Atlantic coast. The farthest north is in Fort Pierce, FL while the farthest south is in Dania Beach, FL. That's roughly 125 miles apart and a 2.5 hour drive. Even though Boca Raton is our main campus, we're definitely a 95% commuter school.

Thus, I think Florida Atlantic as the fifth smallest market on my list (as well as the list in its entirety) accurately represents each school's approximate ranking of market size in our conference.

(12-13-2017 04:44 PM)thefaU Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 03:52 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 03:46 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]It bears pointing out that Norfolk is part of the Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Newport News region (which really should be one city). The region has over 1.5 million residents, and most of them within 20 miles of campus. Im pretty sure there are similar circumstances for FIU, FAU and Charlotte as well.

This is more acute than most are used too but it still serves its purpose. Denton is part of the Dallas Metroplex and Murfeesboro is not too far from Nashville.

I can only personally speak for Florida Atlantic at length. Boca Raton is the largest city in a 45-60min drive. You've got West Palm Beach (relatively the same size) to the north and Fort Lauderdale (about twice as large) to the south. I'd assume there are similar distances to metropolitan areas for every school. The Everglades are to the west of I-95 and the Florida Turnpike and the Atlantic Ocean is to the east. We don't have four, even three, directions like most cities do.

Also, Fort Lauderdale is about equidistant from Miami as it is to Boca Raton, which is a much larger market. So most of that traffic goes south. And Miami certainly has more population in it's surrounding areas; but we already knew they're larger than most others in the conference anyway, so I'm going to move on.

I want to point out that Florida Atlantic does not crossover into the Miami market. I think all too often we get lumped together with Florida International and Florida Atlantic is a much smaller university in a much smaller market.

Another thing I want to point out about Florida Atlantic is that we're spread out across six (previously seven) campuses up and down the Atlantic coast. The farthest north is in Fort Pierce, FL while the farthest south is in Dania Beach, FL. That's roughly 125 miles apart and a 2.5 hour drive. Even though Boca Raton is our main campus, we're definitely a 95% commuter school.

Thus, I think Florida Atlantic as the fifth smallest market on my list (as well as the list in its entirety) accurately represents each school's approximate ranking of market size in our conference.

For most of the late eighties and all of the nineties my Grandparents lived in Pompano with my Grandfather working in Ft. Lauderdale and my Grandmother working in West Palm Beach. I remember traveling south to Homestead and it being like forever to get there, but from Pompano to West Palm was just as bad. As a kid South FLA seemed like it was so spread out.

(12-13-2017 04:56 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]For most of the late eighties and all of the nineties my Grandparents lived in Pompano with my Grandfather working in Ft. Lauderdale and my Grandmother working in West Palm Beach. I remember traveling south to Homestead and it being like forever to get there, but from Pompano to West Palm was just as bad. As a kid South FLA seemed like it was so spread out.

Yeah, I don't think outsiders realize how far spread out South Florida actually is. Sometimes it seems like the drive will never end. That's why when we do road trips, my turn to drive is once we cross over into Georgia. Lol.

(12-13-2017 04:00 PM)TTT Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 12:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: [ -> ]Let me also add that there are a couple of things that will be MUSTS before you see realignment between the SBC and CUSA imho:

1) A 12/12 split. (We are 14 and they are 10)
2) TV money has to be equal
3) Bowl tie-ins divided equally
4) Conferences have to be divided so as to retain the autobid in bb.

IF it were to happen, CUSA might realign in a north/south fashion:

North: ODU, Marshall, MT, WKU, Charlotte, APP
South: GaSt, GS, CCU, FAU, FIU, UAB

Which leaves the Belt just as good:

East: USA, Troy, USM, ASU, ULL, ULM
West: UTEP, UNT, TXST, Rice, UTSA, LaTech

But it ain't gonna happen.

Why would you not have LT in the same division with USM, ULL, ASU, USA, TROY, AND ULM? That's just silly.

It really isn't if you consider where many of their recruits come from along with alumni base....oh, and the fact they hate the other ULs. Not to mention what Pilot said.

(12-13-2017 06:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]Today Pompano Beach, Florida and Ft Lauderdale are basically the same city...10 minute drive to Downtown Ft Lauderdale with traffic. It's also 10 minute drive to Boca from Pompano Beach. Miami is only about 35 minutes from Ft Lauderdale and a hours drive back if it's before 9pm.

If you think Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale are "basically" the same city, you have no concept of South Florida geography and should not be providing input on the subject. If you're lucky, Pompano Beach to downtown Fort Lauderdale is 25 minutes. And you can get to Boca Raton from Pompano Beach in 15 minutes if the traffic is light. And if you think you can get to Miami from Fort Lauderdale in 35 minutes, you're seriously delusional. Unless you drive at 3:00am all the time when no one else is on the road, it is not possible.

P.S. You can easily check Google Maps to see for yourself.

(12-13-2017 07:12 PM)thefaU Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 06:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]Today Pompano Beach, Florida and Ft Lauderdale are basically the same city...10 minute drive to Downtown Ft Lauderdale with traffic. It's also 10 minute drive to Boca from Pompano Beach. Miami is only about 35 minutes from Ft Lauderdale and a hours drive back if it's before 9pm.

If you think Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale are "basically" the same city, you have no concept of South Florida geography and should not be providing input on the subject. If you're lucky, Pompano Beach to downtown Fort Lauderdale is 25 minutes. And you can get to Boca Raton from Pompano Beach in 15 minutes if the traffic is light. And if you think you can get to Miami from Fort Lauderdale in 35 minutes, you're seriously delusional. Unless you drive at 3:00am all the time when no one else is on the road, it is not possible.

P.S. You can easily check Google Maps to see for yourself.

You can check all you want but I actually spend about 12 weeks a year in that area. By your comments I take it you don't. I drive to Miami from Ft Lauderdale (by the sea) and it takes us 35 minutes when traffic is not bad. Coming back a hour because of heavy traffic. It's about a 25 mile drive from where we stay in Ft Lauderdale to Miami and 30 miles from beach to beach
As I said I can tell from your comments you have no clue and don't actually live there. If you do live in Boca you don't go south at all. As for Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale it's connected in the sense of no gaps...unless you see a sign telling you you will not know any difference. Yes it's a 10 minute drive, maybe 15 if traffic is heavy from Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale...9 mile drive
Maybe you need to stay over on the right side when you are driving...grandpa if it takes you much longer.

Just for the record I probably been to more FAU basketball and football games than you so I know how long it takes t get from Ft Lauderdale to Boca. Hell I can drive A1A and it take 25 minutes

(12-13-2017 07:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]You can check all you want but I actually spend about 12 weeks a year in that area. By your comments I take it you don't. I drive to Miami from Ft Lauderdale (by the sea) and it takes us 35 minutes when traffic is not bad. Coming back a hour because of heavy traffic.

As I said I can tell from your comments you have no clue and don't actually live there. If you do live in Boca you don't go south at all. As for Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale it's connected in the sense of no gaps...unless you see a sign telling you you will not know any difference. Yes it's a 10 minute drive, maybe 15 if traffic is heavy from Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale downtown.

Maybe you need to stay over on the right side when you are driving...grandpa if it takes you much longer.

First off, I love that you deleted your first post before I replied. Why was that?

Second, I've lived here my entire life compared to somebody who spends 12 weeks a year... for how many years? Oh. Are you one of these snowbirds that come down that we all hate? Methinks so.

Third, if Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale are "basically" the same city, we might as well lump Hollywood in there too. Hell, let's just call it all Miami. What do you expect when cities are next to each other? You're telling me you always see a sign when you drive into a new city? Again, you're delusional. If you actually LIVED here, you would know where the city limits are.

Fourth, if you were to drive from downtown Fort Lauderdale to Miami right now (8:00pm), it'd take a minimum of 45 minutes. Remember, we're driving to Miami. Not North Miami. Or are those "basically" the same cities too?

Lastly, if anyone's a slow-driving grandpa, it's the old snowbird.

Cheers.

(12-13-2017 02:44 PM)thefaU Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 01:50 PM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't directed at you necessarily. I should have been much less coarse. My apologies. My argument was not East West as much smaller football schools vs larger metro area universities

Ah, I definitely agree with you. Here's the data to back that up.

Population of cities from smallest to largest:
LA Tech in Ruston, LA: 22,370
Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, MS: 46,926
Marshall in Huntington, WV: 48,113
Western Kentucky in Bowling Green, KY: 65,234
Florida Atlantic in Boca Raton, FL: 96,114
Middle Tennessee in Murfreesboro, TN: 131,947
North Texas in Denton, TX: 133,808
UAB in Birmingham, AL: 212,157
Old Dominion in Norfolk, VA: 246,393
Florida International in Miami, FL: 453,579
UTEP in El Paso, TX: 683,080
Charlotte in Charlotte, NC: 842,051
UTSA in San Antonio, TX: 1,493,000
Rice in Houston, TX: 2,303,000

*Teams in BOLD have won at least one CUSA championship since the 2013 realignment. Teams UNDERLINED have won at least one CUSA division title, but not the championship.

I’m definitely say FAU territory is Fort Pierce all the way down to Fort Lauderdale. We also bleed a little into North Miami, I know quite a few people who attend our Davie Campus that live in Northern Dade County. Florida is built much differently than Charlotte for example. As someone who’s lived in both, Charlottes 800,000 feels much smaller than Boca Raton’s 96,000. With Fort Lauderdale being 25 minutes away, Miami being 55 minutes away, and West Palm being 35 minutes away, we are in an arms reach of the nearly 6 million people in metro south Florida. The Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia metro is 2.5 million people. Keep in mind not every state functions similarly. Palm Beach Country is sectioned off into 40 cities, while Mecklenburg county is probably 10 at most. Broward is also another 30+ cities so taking only Boca into account makes no sense.

Also Fort Pierce to Dania is a 1 hour and 35 minutes. I’m from St. Lucie county and unless you’re driving down during rush hour traffic it will never be 2.5 hours.

TL:DR lived in Boca Raton and Charlotte, Charlotte is much smaller.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...yptr=yahoo

For lack of a better place to put this, the above article discusses B12 scheduling philosophy, and then basically makes fun of Nebraska for scheduling FCS teams, and then it tosses in GaSo for good measure. Just goes to show in the eyes of the press there is barely any difference between G5 and FCS.

(12-13-2017 08:54 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...yptr=yahoo

For lack of a better place to put this, the above article discusses B12 scheduling philosophy, and then basically makes fun of Nebraska for scheduling FCS teams, and then it tosses in GaSo for good measure. Just goes to show in the eyes of the press there is barely any difference between G5 and FCS.

If I were an outsider that didn't know a good deal about the make up of the bowl division, how could one argue with it? How many new to the division have popped up in say the last 15 years? Its all about reputation to an outsider, most of those programs that moved up havent done a whole lot to show their status.......just an observation, and one NBC, ESPN etc will push. They always had a tendacy to hand pick a few G5 programs while brushing off the rest of the group.

(12-13-2017 07:55 PM)thefaU Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017 07:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]You can check all you want but I actually spend about 12 weeks a year in that area. By your comments I take it you don't. I drive to Miami from Ft Lauderdale (by the sea) and it takes us 35 minutes when traffic is not bad. Coming back a hour because of heavy traffic.

As I said I can tell from your comments you have no clue and don't actually live there. If you do live in Boca you don't go south at all. As for Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale it's connected in the sense of no gaps...unless you see a sign telling you you will not know any difference. Yes it's a 10 minute drive, maybe 15 if traffic is heavy from Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale downtown.

Maybe you need to stay over on the right side when you are driving...grandpa if it takes you much longer.

First off, I love that you deleted your first post before I replied. Why was that?

Second, I've lived here my entire life compared to somebody who spends 12 weeks a year... for how many years? Oh. Are you one of these snowbirds that come down that we all hate? Methinks so.

Third, if Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale are "basically" the same city, we might as well lump Hollywood in there too. Hell, let's just call it all Miami. What do you expect when cities are next to each other? You're telling me you always see a sign when you drive into a new city? Again, you're delusional. If you actually LIVED here, you would know where the city limits are.

Fourth, if you were to drive from downtown Fort Lauderdale to Miami right now (8:00pm), it'd take a minimum of 45 minutes. Remember, we're driving to Miami. Not North Miami. Or are those "basically" the same cities too?

Lastly, if anyone's a slow-driving grandpa, it's the old snowbird.

Cheers.

I used to live on campus at FAU and I would drive to Fort Lauderdale a couple times a week (Grandparents would fill up my tank and slip me some grocery money). The avg time was between 23-27 minutes. If it takes you 35 mins to get to Lauderdale by the Sea, idk what to tell you. It should take 18 minutes at most.