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(12-02-2017 12:42 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: [ -> ]Cornell is private.

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True but it is a land grant university and 3 of its 7 undergrad schools are state supported through the SUNY system. Basically, as close to a Private/Public school as there can be without being public

(12-02-2017 09:20 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-02-2017 06:41 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote: [ -> ]Truth be known...based on the College's academic standing and its strict adherence to high academic standards for its athletes and their admission to W&M, we should be in the Ivy League. Will not probably ever happen, but it would be a great place for us as the Southern terminus for the Ivy and the natural home for our College.

Who among us would not like to see W&M in the Ivy League?

Me. We're a public school. Ivy snobbery holds no appeal for me. Neither does a ten game football schedule with no playoffs.

#imwithSandy

(12-02-2017 10:33 AM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-02-2017 09:27 AM)Sitting bull Wrote: [ -> ]The reality today is we have more in common with UD, Villanova and JMU than anyone in the Ivy. Even more so when it comes to athletics.

The problem is that we are having less and less in common with UD, JMU, and Villanova every year.

JMU plays in a ~26K seat stadium and makes no secret that much of its constituency wants to move up. Their admission standards for athletes are markedly different (lower) than ours and the difference shows on the field. Working in our favor is that JMU's other sports still more resemble W&M than not.

UD: Just use the same paragraph above and substitute "UD" for "JMU".

Villanova: They are big-time basketball but FCS football. On the one hand, I am surprised that they never moved up in football just out of ego. On the other hand, I actually give them credit for being smart enough not to move into the financial sinkhole that is FBS football at the G5 level. (Much smarter than UMass and UConn who made that mistake; I need to add them to my earlier post as poster children for bad FBS moves).

So, we are having less and less in common with our peers. Many of them want to move up and, so far, W&M is smart enough to avoid that trap.

Has there been a D1 school that was forced down at the split that has come back up? That is a much better analog for W&M than Appy or ODU. Hell we even had moderate football success at times throughout our history.

I don't want FCS football to chase glory or NCs or $$. For me, nothing is more important than traditional rivalries. We've already lost quite a few and I'd hate to lose UD and JMU on top of all that.

(12-02-2017 12:40 PM)tribeintexas Wrote: [ -> ]I suggest we closely study what Wake Forest and Rice are doing to survive among bigger FBS schools.

Doesn't take big scrutiny to see what Wake Forest does. They rake in their portion of all that NCAA basketball money that the ACC brings in (with their nine bids each year) and their portion of all that conference bowl tie-in money. They then spend that money to stay competitive.

I guarantee you that if W&M had that same money that we would be FBS competitive, too.

(12-02-2017 03:24 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-02-2017 12:40 PM)tribeintexas Wrote: [ -> ]I suggest we closely study what Wake Forest and Rice are doing to survive among bigger FBS schools.

Doesn't take big scrutiny to see what Wake Forest does. They rake in their portion of all that NCAA basketball money that the ACC brings in (with their nine bids each year) and their portion of all that conference bowl tie-in money. They then spend that money to stay competitive.

I guarantee you that if W&M had that same money that we would be FBS competitive, too.

That and they lowered their academic standards dramatically.

JMU dominated Stony Brook as expected. The real surprise is UNH knocked out #4 Central Arkansas, 21-15, despite losing QB Trevor Knight. Sean McDonnell just keeps getting the job done.

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(12-02-2017 06:03 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: [ -> ]JMU dominated Stony Brook as expected. The real surprise is UNH knocked out #4 Central Arkansas, 21-15, despite losing QB Trevor Knight. Sean McDonnell just keeps getting the job done.

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Yes he does, just inserts another QB and wins.....

For your afternoon viewing pleasure.

Mike Leach on the 1A football playoffs:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...33%2F&_rdr

And for an encore, his wedding advice:
https://youtu.be/gGIap2_tmng

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(12-01-2017 03:55 PM)bostonspider Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2017 03:40 PM)LeadBolt Wrote: [ -> ]The maneuver to jettison the realignment that UR & W&M seemed to be working on jointly when the A-10 came calling and then to stop coming to the 'burg are the nexus of my feelings.

I understand that, but for UR, the A10 was just a better institutional fit at the time for sure. The additions of VCU, GMU and Davidson has made it even stronger for UR. I'd love it if W&M was in the conference, but I think that basketball is just not as strong a priority to the Tribe as it has been to UR. One can see that in the renovations that Richmond has

Now the Tribe has invested even more heavily in the gorgeous Zable Field, and Laycock Center.

Sorry, boston spider, but Richmond has burned a lot of bridges with W&M that many of us don't see being repaired, and may have changed the relationship permanently. Whatever the conference direction our new AD and new President takes us in, with input from coaches, I honestly don't think it should be influenced in any way by Richmond.

Now, how has that nicely renovated Robins Center and A10 affiliation helped the dumpster fire in your basketball program?

We have all watched the quiet upward development of our basketball program by Tony and staff's dedicated work over many years, despite the lack of resources. The floor for this program is continuing to rise. I firmly believe, Tribe basketball five years from now will be at a level none of us could have imagined or hoped for ten years ago.

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Richmond's team is already in the toilet...it is awful and fans up in arms. They lost by more than 30 to Wake Forest today and have lost four games by 25+.

(12-02-2017 07:18 PM)BigTribe3 Wrote: [ -> ]Richmond's team is already in the toilet...it is awful and fans up in arms. They lost by more than 30 to Wake Forest today and have lost four games by 25+.

At least they can be happy about not having to play the Tribe this season.

Is this still a CAA football thread?

(12-03-2017 11:55 AM)TribePride91 Wrote: [ -> ]Is this still a CAA football thread?

Was it ever really?

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(12-02-2017 10:33 AM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-02-2017 09:27 AM)Sitting bull Wrote: [ -> ]The reality today is we have more in common with UD, Villanova and JMU than anyone in the Ivy. Even more so when it comes to athletics.

The problem is that we are having less and less in common with UD, JMU, and Villanova every year.

JMU plays in a ~26K seat stadium and makes no secret that much of its constituency wants to move up. Their admission standards for athletes are markedly different (lower) than ours and the difference shows on the field. Working in our favor is that JMU's other sports still more resemble W&M than not.

UD: Just use the same paragraph above and substitute "UD" for "JMU".

Villanova: They are big-time basketball but FCS football. On the one hand, I am surprised that they never moved up in football just out of ego. On the other hand, I actually give them credit for being smart enough not to move into the financial sinkhole that is FBS football at the G5 level. (Much smarter than UMass and UConn who made that mistake; I need to add them to my earlier post as poster children for bad FBS moves).

So, we are having less and less in common with our peers. Many of them want to move up and, so far, W&M is smart enough to avoid that trap.

No one is saying we should be moving up in the sense you are speaking, joining a new conference, etc. (ODU, UMAss). I don't think JMU or UD want that either or they would have already done so.

We are talking about a what if - if the top core of the CAA wants to move in tandem to a redisgned mid tier. We would keep the rivalries and stay within a geographically tight conference.

I would see at as a close call - the route above as opposed to the direction UR hinted in the initial post. W&M would be foolish however to enter in any future assumption mwith UR.

For right now, I don't see anyone save JMU in the short term even prepared for a move out of the CAA. It will be our home for a long time.

(12-02-2017 12:40 PM)tribeintexas Wrote: [ -> ]As in the case with ODU, JMU, Delaware will move to FBS soon or later. CAA will have no choice but to invite schools like Elon, SB, etc. just to keep the league intact.

The CAA can afford to lose several schools in football and still have enough teams. Basketball is different. If nobody leaves the CAA, I don't want anybody to join. If somebody leaves, my preference to join is Monmouth. Monmouth is a nonreligious school with 8 out of their 10 MAAC basketball opponents being Catholic. In Football, they are geographically out of place in the Big South. Going to Stony Brook, Villanova, Delaware, and Towson would be less Football travel than they have now. If Delaware were to leave and Monmouth were to join for all sports, it would increase travel for southern schools like you, but Monmouth and Delaware are less than 2 hours apart, so it's not a big difference.

We can't afford to lose football schools. Hofstra and Northwestern dropping football didn't help with our numbers.

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You mean Northeastern. How come the CAA can't afford to lose Football schools when they have more for that than any other sports?

Well if JMU and UD move up, and VU and UR join the Patriot, would W&M be happy in the CAA Football conference? Just wondering.

(12-04-2017 10:57 AM)bostonspider Wrote: [ -> ]Well if JMU and UD move up, and VU and UR join the Patriot, would W&M be happy in the CAA Football conference? Just wondering.

I can't speak for the admin but I wouldn't.

(12-04-2017 10:55 AM)EvanJ Wrote: [ -> ]You mean Northeastern. How come the CAA can't afford to lose Football schools when they have more for that than any other sports?

Frankly because football is football. W&M is committed to being in a conference where they can compete at a high level in both football and other sports.