(02-18-2017 10:54 PM)bit_9 Wrote: [ -> ]Just watched replay. Your welcome. :)
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Maybe you could just leave town for the rest of the season? Get a few more friends to get married?
I got 1 more in 2 weeks.
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If the team we have seen the last two games had been here all year, we would be an NCAA squad. Hope they can continue this level of play.
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(02-19-2017 09:30 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote: [ -> ]If the team we have seen the last two games had been here all year, we would be an NCAA squad. Hope they can continue this level of play.
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If that happens I will gladly eat crow. I closed the book on this season after the FAU debacle. The last two games were pretty impressive.
(02-18-2017 09:14 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]Great game. It looked to me like Coach Jones was doing virtually everything he could to earn himself a technical at the 11 minute mark in the second half. I couldn't figure out what was his particular complaint, but I did notice three quick fouls called on Charlotte right after.
Well played all around, but especially Caver/Talley offensively and Porter/Baker/Taylor defensively.
I should have earlier stated this as a direct question. (I was hoping to see something in the post-game discussion that would provide an answer, but I haven't seen it yet.)
I am very curious what it was that was bothering Coach Jones so much in the middle of the second half. Were the refs repeatedly failing to call something important? Or was this merely an attempt by JJ to further fire up our team?
I suspect that the answer is obvious, but I haven't figured it out.
Hasn't been too long since some of us were laughed at for saying Caver is going to be one of ODU's best point guards...and that Fields should start over him....LOL.
In conference:
26 points per 100 possessions
20.8 PER
53% effecive FG%
Im not sure what point guards I would take over him in conference.
Caver has improved a lot during the conference games over his performance from the first 12 non-conference games, and is beginning to play up to his potential.
I fully agree with coach Jones's post game comments last night regarding Caver where he said that he still had some things to work on and improve upon. Consistency is the word that he used in describing his main need, and it is the same one that I mentioned him needing to show just a couple of weeks ago.
One of those areas that he needs to work on and demonstrate more of that consistency is from the foul line, especially with him being the point guard. Mac and some others have also noticed some short comings he has had from there this season.
I also agree with Mac that Twardzik is in all probability the best male point guard to ever wear an ODU uniform, and might possibly be the best player overall to play at ODU. I am fortunate enough to be one of our fans that got to see him play for ODU. Also saw him play in person and on TV for the Squires and Trail Blazers. Glad he is back affiliated with the ODU men's team again. He is also a genuinely nice person.
(02-19-2017 09:41 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2017 09:14 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]Great game. It looked to me like Coach Jones was doing virtually everything he could to earn himself a technical at the 11 minute mark in the second half. I couldn't figure out what was his particular complaint, but I did notice three quick fouls called on Charlotte right after.
Well played all around, but especially Caver/Talley offensively and Porter/Baker/Taylor defensively.
I should have earlier stated this as a direct question. (I was hoping to see something in the post-game discussion that would provide an answer, but I haven't seen it yet.)
I am very curious what it was that was bothering Coach Jones so much in the middle of the second half. Were the refs repeatedly failing to call something important? Or was this merely an attempt by JJ to further fire up our team?
I suspect that the answer is obvious, but I haven't figured it out.
I watched the game with no volume no score or time clock and it seemed to me Jones wanted to keep firing the team up but he was also riding the refs about the belligerent behavior by Charlotte. Jones seemed to be using it all to his advantage.
That's what I saw also. He was getting after the 2 refs far side that didn't call those fouls when porter was getting hacked in the middle and it was 2 or 3 trips on a row. It was after we got called on a couple 50 50 calls and my hunch is he was like wtf. If your going to call those 5050 on us call it on them some also.
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Thank you both.
Speaking of Porter, he was a bully under the boards last night. It was good to see.
(02-19-2017 07:52 AM)mac Wrote: [ -> ]Obiwan, Marshall is sort of a must win game, it's like the tournament has already started for us.
Indeed my friend ! Heineken victory on the horizon
Porter showed some real fight last night. Impressed with his toughness.
(02-19-2017 09:52 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Hasn't been too long since some of us were laughed at for saying Caver is going to be one of ODU's best point guards...and that Fields should start over him....LOL.
In conference:
26 points per 100 possessions
20.8 PER
53% effecive FG%
Im not sure what point guards I would take over him in conference.
That might of been more of seeing potential in Fields based on quickness and passing ability - I am surprised that Fields has not come off the bench and Pickeney is getting those minutes. Remember Fields is still a true freshman so his "potential" is still a bright spot . But fair enough Caver has won us all over which is a great thing. He is really playing well and hopefully will continue to do so. Winning cures a lot and keeps some posters at bay
Didn't Fields just sit out in street clothes because he was recovering from the flu? I know that I caught the flu (Type A) around Christmas and it took me a good 4 - 5 weeks to totally get over it. Of course I'm not a 18 - 20 year old athlete though either.
I agree with your comments about Fields though. He can't make a positive impression until he gets significant playing time, and right now Caver has earned the minutes that he is playing.
Don't know what the difference is between Pickeney and Fields that Pickeney is getting the back-up minutes. Could be a simple matter of him being more experienced and the coach feels more secure with that experience in the game at this point in the season. Could also be that the coach believes that he is defending better since neither of them have scored much. Just speculation.
As noted above, Fields is just starting out and time will tell what kind of player he becomes. Given his past history, I'm inclined to be optimistic that he will ultimately do well on the court before he graduates from ODU. Player of the year in the region, Player of the year in the state, and 3 time state champions with him starting at the point. All of that has to mean something about his abilities.
(02-19-2017 07:48 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't Fields just sit out in street clothes because he was recovering from the flu? I know that I caught the flu (Type A) around Christmas and it took me a good 4 - 5 weeks to totally get over it. Of course I'm not a 18 - 20 year old athlete though either.
I agree with your comments about Fields though. He can't make a positive impression until he gets significant playing time, and right now Caver has earned the minutes that he is playing.
Don't know what the difference is between Pickeney and Fields that Pickeney is getting the back-up minutes. Could be a simple matter of him being more experienced and the coach feels more secure with that experience in the game at this point in the season. Could also be that the coach believes that he is defending better since neither of them have scored much. Just speculation.
As noted above, Fields is just starting out and time will tell what kind of player he becomes. Given his past history, I'm inclined to be optimistic that he will ultimately do well on the court before he graduates from ODU. Player of the year in the region, Player of the year in the state, and 3 time state champions with him starting at the point. All of that has to mean something about his abilities.
One concern I still have is the amount of minutes Caver is logging. Granted, he is playing well and he has earned those minutes but if we have a chance to make a run in the CUSA tourney I believe he needs less than 37-38 minutes for three straight days. I believe one reason Jones is playing Pinckney in the backup role at this point is that he is hoping Pinckney will get the "aggressive bug" that seems to have hit the team the past week. At this point in their careers Pinckney probably has a bigger upside short term than Fields. We all know he can shoot but he just needs some confidence and a little more aggressiveness. He made a nice move in the lane last night but missed the shot. If he can continue to expand his role to just 6-7 minutes a game I think it could help us come tournament time.
If my math is correct, if we sweep next weekend's games coupled with one more Rice loss, we clinch a top 4 seed.
Caver is improving so much. Its really impressive to watch. He has completely reinvented his jumpshot in the middle of the season, which is no easy task, and he is starting to find creases and break down defenses to make it easier for everyone else to score.
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I NEVER understood the Caver/Fields comparison. Caver, IMO, has always been WAY more impressive with a way higher upside. Consistency was a problem last year and earlier this year, but potential was never in question for me. Glad others are now seeing what I saw.
(02-19-2017 08:39 PM)T-Mac Wrote: [ -> ]I NEVER understood the Caver/Fields comparison. Caver, IMO, has always been WAY more impressive with a way higher upside. Consistency was a problem last year and earlier this year, but potential was never in question for me. Glad others are now seeing what I saw.
Caver didn't play enough last year for anyone to accurately assess his abilities to run this team.
(02-19-2017 08:39 PM)T-Mac Wrote: [ -> ]I NEVER understood the Caver/Fields comparison. Caver, IMO, has always been WAY more impressive with a way higher upside. Consistency was a problem last year and earlier this year, but potential was never in question for me. Glad others are now seeing what I saw.
I don't believe people were doing an actual Caver/Fields comparison. Few of us had ever seen Fields play at all, and none of us had seen him play in college so any logical direct comparison between the two would have been impossible to make for pretty much anyone in favor of either player. Even as this season is winding down, Fields has not garnered enough time on the court to make any definitive judgements on who he will be as a player going forward. One need only look at the improvement that Aaron Carver has shown just this month alone to get an idea of how easy it is to misjudge a young player that has played sparingly.
If for no other reason than their difference in stature, their games are probably as different from one another as Brandon's is from Porter's though they too play the same position. Both Brandon and Porter have shown they can be effective in spite of the differences in their games.
In the years ahead there is no reason to believe both Caver and Fields can't each be effective for similar reasons assuming both get significant playing time. Caver/Fields, Brandon/Porter, Taylor/Carver, and BJ/Talley all have different styles/games from their counterpart. Only question is which player/style/game for each position best helps the team win when they are all meshed together as a unit.
Due to his smaller stature, someone like Fields probably needs more time to adjust to the bigger, faster college game than does some other Freshman like (for example) Greene would that is also a guard, but tall for his position and can use that to his advantage.
I don't remember anyone questioning Caver's
potential . As for his
consistency (in all facets of the game) ... he hasn't checked that box off just yet, but he has certainly improved a lot since 2017 has rolled around, and is much closer with that than he was earlier in the season. I honestly believe that this off season he will work on his game and improve in the areas that he is needing to display more consistency (mostly foul shooting). I think that next season he will have achieved that improvement in his consistency and because of it will have become an even better player than the one we have seen the past few games. Certainly as a sophomore I am pretty pleased with his (and the team's) overall play the past few games.