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Is it because Fournette is so far in front or that the CFP now takes precedent over everything else?

It's because at least right now Fournette is so far in front.

My guess if he falters, the next in line would be Boykin.

(10-31-2015 01:19 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]It's because at least right now Fournette is so far in front.

My guess if he falters, the next in line would be Boykin.

This

It's Fournette's to lose and I don't think at this point there is anybody that doesn't feel he is deserving of it.

Honestly I just don't care. That award just does not hold my interest and it gets less important to me every year.

Lynch

Because some of us like Heisman winners with class and dignity. When I think about how Winston and Manziel's pictures are hanging next to Harmon, Kinnick and Smith, I become ill.

I used to worry about the Heisman when it was truly the award for the best college football player. Now that it's the award for the highest profile player on a high profile team it simply doesn't matter anymore.

(11-01-2015 05:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]I used to worry about the Heisman when it was truly the award for the best college football player. Now that it's the award for the highest profile player on a high profile team it simply doesn't matter anymore.

^^^

(11-01-2015 05:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]I used to worry about the Heisman when it was truly the award for the best college football player. Now that it's the award for the highest profile player on a high profile team it simply doesn't matter anymore.

Jim Brown probably agrees. But the last player to win a Heisman before politics got involved probably went to Yale and is long dead.

(10-31-2015 01:13 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]Is it because Fournette is so far in front or that the CFP now takes precedent over everything else?

Because the award doesn't hold the same appeal as it use to. The NFL doesn't even care about it at all anymore.

College players may still aspire to it, but even among college players you don't hear about it as much.

As another poster said, it has become an award of the top player from a top ranked team. Thus, a QB award. Problem this year is there no QB that stands above the college football world like Winston did.

Paxton Lynch if Memphis goes undefeated.

It's Fournette's barring injury. Dalvin Cook had a shot at it until he got injured.

(11-01-2015 07:59 PM)TampaKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Paxton Lynch if Memphis goes undefeated.

He could throw for 1000 yards and 7 TDs a game and he may get invited but no way for a "G5" player to win it

(11-01-2015 05:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]I used to worry about the Heisman when it was truly the award for the best college football player. Now that it's the award for the highest profile player on a high profile team it simply doesn't matter anymore.

BOOM!

I think nobody talks about the Heisman Trophy anymore because it has lost all legitimacy. It used to be that to win the Heisman Trophy you had to be an outstanding player – or at least that's how it felt.

Nowadays, it seems like if you play in the right system and put up video game type numbers, that's how you win the Heisman. Or, if you are the best player on the best team, that's how you win the Heisman.

Frankly, it feels kind of boring and somewhat illegitimate.

For example, whoever plays quarterback for Baylor is going to look great. Whoever plays running back at Alabama is going to do great. That doesn't mean they're actually great players, just beneficiaries of highly productive systems.

That's difficult to embrace for fans of college football who did not have a horse in the race.

I think when you have guys like RG3 edging out Andrew Luck for the Heisman Trophy, based largely on the system difference between the two players, that seems ridiculous in retrospect.

Jason White bested Larry Fitzgerald in 2003. Are you freaking kidding me? I don't think White ever even played in an NFL game.

Still, fluky things can happen. However, when they happen over and over and over again, it begins to shake consumer confidence. I don't care who wins the Heisman trophy anymore because I do not believe it is a legitimate award. These days, I pay much closer attention to first round NFL draft choices.

the fact a guy didn't play an NFL game is 100% meaningless. It's a COLLEGE award. Not who the best pro prospect is.

Yeah, have to agree with some of you, the Heisman trophy is not an indicator of professional success...and that fact alone makes it irrelevant to me.

why does a college award have to be an indicator of professional success? I mean, Tim Tebow was a great college player. Why should his college career get dinged because he wasn't a good pro? That's insane.

The Heisman has always had petty politics play a role. Underclassman couldn't win it, black couldn't win it, players couldn't win twice, player played for less prestigious team, etc.

The Heisman race is pretty simple: It is Fournette's to lose. If he stumbles, like if he gets stuffed versus Alabama this week, then the TCU quarterback will pick up the pieces.