(06-24-2015 07:21 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]I wrote my reasons in post 75. Texas has 26-27m people and a good portion of them love football.
Here's the thing no one is talking about.
The state of Texas is projected to double in population by 2050. It's one helluva market, and the Big 12 needs to do everything it can to lock it down.
Because other conferences see the future growth, and are interested in getting a piece.
(06-24-2015 07:21 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.
A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.
That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?
It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.
If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.
Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.
Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.
In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
I wrote my reasons in post 75. Texas has 26-27m people and a good portion of them love football. The SEC could lock down the entire state of Texas taking UT and Tech. A&M alone isn't enough. Sure the initial interest was great but the SEC will need more.
IMHO, Fox has no say because of horrible TV ratings.
Then your opinion is horrible. Horrible TV ratings have zero merit in the discussion because of a contractual agreement that has a a period of time in the terms. Fox is a major partner in that contractual agreement. You can ignore that if you want but that creates a serious flaw in your position.
(06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?
He only brings it up in every other post he makes.
The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.
A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.
That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?
It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.
If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.
Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.
Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.
In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
What exactly is this grand scenario you have come up with?
(06-24-2015 07:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:21 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]I wrote my reasons in post 75. Texas has 26-27m people and a good portion of them love football.
Here's the thing no one is talking about.
The state of Texas is projected to double in population by 2050. It's one helluva market, and the Big 12 needs to do everything it can to lock it down.
Because other conferences see the future growth, and are interested in getting a piece.
A little late for that. That is exactly what is going to happen. They are going to divide up Texas for everyone. It is far too late to circle the wagons. Besides, if UT was interested in that, they never would have left the SWC.
(06-24-2015 07:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?
It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.
If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.
Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.
Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.
In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
But isn't that what essentially happened to the Big East in a very short time span? SU, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers, Louisville, Georgetown, St. John's, Nova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul all basically left UConn, Cincinnati, and USF to fend on their own and make do.
Cheers,
Neil
I am not saying that it's not possible Omni, I am just saying that the preferable method would be to have homes for everyone. The Big East didn't have a GoR contract binding everyone to monetary amounts for years to come. That is the situation in the big 12.
While the situation may seem similar on the surface, it is more like comparing apples to oranges.
We are talking about a situation happening all at once or happening over a period of many years.
Again, if a conference is considered dissolved, shouldn't the GOR be as well?
I am one who is skeptical about the legal strength of a GOR overall, seeing it just slightly better than a simple exit fee. I also see a GOR more of a deterrent to a single institution or two institutions leaving rather than 6 or 8 of them leaving. I really don't see a GOR being enforced through a court of law with that many teams leaving said conference.
But I have been known to be wrong before.
Cheers,
Neil
(06-24-2015 05:18 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 05:06 PM)CougarRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 04:35 PM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]You can probably cross Houston off that list too.
Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote yes for them.
If the Big 12 raids the American and does NOT take Houston, we will raise holy hell in the Texas legislature.
First, we were left for dead in 1994. Then they weaken our new conference in 2015? Talk about predatory behavior.
The governor is on our side in this issue. He wants Houston in the Big 12.
Houston is not getting in the Big 12. The Big 12 is comprised of other schools that aren't located in Texas and don't give a rats ass what the Texas governor thinks.
Don't be so sure. IMO Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would definitely vote for Houston and I would bet Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State would because of one word .....recruiting. One tidbit is that there are more OSU Alumns in Houston than any city outside of OKC and Tulsa.
Plus so one can say for certain how the other Texas teams would vote.
(06-24-2015 07:27 PM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.
A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.
That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?
It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.
If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.
Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.
Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.
In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
What exactly is this grand scenario you have come up with?
Let's see if anyone else answers that. If I go into it again, I will do so in complete fashion and that is no small task for me to write out in entirety. For awhile now I have been putting it all out there piece by piece for folks to put together themselves. It has been a work in progress as major changes have happened that actually changed the landscape. The two GoR's being the most obvious of examples.
The basic premise is that we are on the verge of seeing a very different landscape in college football. In order to finish that though, there needs to be one final, major phase of realigning.
In order for that to happen though, something very big has to happen. Before something very big can happen, the persons in power need to make some public spectacle in order to cover their asses when they make that big move.
So, what do you wish to know? What schools go where? What changes happen within conferences after it happens? Timelines?
(06-24-2015 07:30 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.
Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.
Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.
In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
But isn't that what essentially happened to the Big East in a very short time span? SU, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers, Louisville, Georgetown, St. John's, Nova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul all basically left UConn, Cincinnati, and USF to fend on their own and make do.
Cheers,
Neil
I am not saying that it's not possible Omni, I am just saying that the preferable method would be to have homes for everyone. The Big East didn't have a GoR contract binding everyone to monetary amounts for years to come. That is the situation in the big 12.
While the situation may seem similar on the surface, it is more like comparing apples to oranges.
We are talking about a situation happening all at once or happening over a period of many years.
Again, if a conference is considered dissolved, shouldn't the GOR be as well?
I am one who is skeptical about the legal strength of a GOR overall, seeing it just slightly better than a simple exit fee. I also see a GOR more of a deterrent to a single institution or two institutions leaving rather than 6 or 8 of them leaving. I really don't see a GOR being enforced through a court of law with that many teams leaving said conference.
But I have been known to be wrong before.
Cheers,
Neil
The way I see it, the Granting of Rights causes the tv rights of each school to be granted to the conference. I don't think we have any problem with that understanding, I am just stating the obvious to build the point.
From there, the conference can then sell those rights to a Network. The Network in question for this discussion is Fox Networks. They stand to lose the most should the big 12 be dissolved.
So let me ask you this. Does the Conference act similarly to an LLC in that it protects it's member schools should it have to go "bankrupt" or does it act more like a regular business from which the owners are held directly responsible for all monetary debts owed by the business?
I don't think the schools are not held liable for those damages due to indirect voiding of the GoR by dissolution vote. That means they need Fox's blessing. Now, if you disagree and it acts more like an LLC then you would be correct that Fox gets screwed in the process.
Despite that though, the schools could easily be found liable for any damages caused to any of the other schools that would inevitably end up in a conference making a lot less money than what they currently make with the big 12.
(06-24-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:30 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.
Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.
In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
But isn't that what essentially happened to the Big East in a very short time span? SU, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers, Louisville, Georgetown, St. John's, Nova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul all basically left UConn, Cincinnati, and USF to fend on their own and make do.
Cheers,
Neil
I am not saying that it's not possible Omni, I am just saying that the preferable method would be to have homes for everyone. The Big East didn't have a GoR contract binding everyone to monetary amounts for years to come. That is the situation in the big 12.
While the situation may seem similar on the surface, it is more like comparing apples to oranges.
We are talking about a situation happening all at once or happening over a period of many years.
Again, if a conference is considered dissolved, shouldn't the GOR be as well?
I am one who is skeptical about the legal strength of a GOR overall, seeing it just slightly better than a simple exit fee. I also see a GOR more of a deterrent to a single institution or two institutions leaving rather than 6 or 8 of them leaving. I really don't see a GOR being enforced through a court of law with that many teams leaving said conference.
But I have been known to be wrong before.
Cheers,
Neil
The way I see it, the Granting of Rights causes the tv rights of each school to be granted to the conference. I don't think we have any problem with that understanding, I am just stating the obvious to build the point.
From there, the conference can then sell those rights to a Network. The Network in question for this discussion is Fox Networks. They stand to lose the most should the big 12 be dissolved.
So let me ask you this. Does the Conference act similarly to an LLC in that it protects it's member schools should it have to go "bankrupt" or does it act more like a regular business from which the owners are held directly responsible for all monetary debts owed by the business?
I don't think the schools are not held liable for those damages due to indirect voiding of the GoR by dissolution vote. That means they need Fox's blessing. Now, if you disagree and it acts more like an LLC then you would be correct that Fox gets screwed in the process.
Despite that though, the schools could easily be found liable for any damages caused to any of the other schools that would inevitably end up in a conference making a lot less money than what they currently make with the big 12.
ESPN had a contract with the Big East. It didn't mean all those teams that left needed ESPN's blessing. Although some say most heading to the ACC got it. At least that is what I am told by many posters on this board.
The GOR belongs to the conference. The tv network (or networks in the Big 12 case) is/are just gambling that the conference having a GOR will prevent the top value institutions from moving to another conference.
If they do move on to a different conference with a different network, wouldn't it be the conference that will have to attempt to get the $$$ from whichever network is televising the home games of the member(s) who leave? The original network(s) simply stop/s paying the vacated conference or at best renegotiates down if the conference survives by adding others to make up for the loss and the network(s) have an interest in that lesser inventory.
Cheers,
Neil
(06-24-2015 07:47 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:30 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ]But isn't that what essentially happened to the Big East in a very short time span? SU, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers, Louisville, Georgetown, St. John's, Nova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul all basically left UConn, Cincinnati, and USF to fend on their own and make do.
Cheers,
Neil
I am not saying that it's not possible Omni, I am just saying that the preferable method would be to have homes for everyone. The Big East didn't have a GoR contract binding everyone to monetary amounts for years to come. That is the situation in the big 12.
While the situation may seem similar on the surface, it is more like comparing apples to oranges.
We are talking about a situation happening all at once or happening over a period of many years.
Again, if a conference is considered dissolved, shouldn't the GOR be as well?
I am one who is skeptical about the legal strength of a GOR overall, seeing it just slightly better than a simple exit fee. I also see a GOR more of a deterrent to a single institution or two institutions leaving rather than 6 or 8 of them leaving. I really don't see a GOR being enforced through a court of law with that many teams leaving said conference.
But I have been known to be wrong before.
Cheers,
Neil
The way I see it, the Granting of Rights causes the tv rights of each school to be granted to the conference. I don't think we have any problem with that understanding, I am just stating the obvious to build the point.
From there, the conference can then sell those rights to a Network. The Network in question for this discussion is Fox Networks. They stand to lose the most should the big 12 be dissolved.
So let me ask you this. Does the Conference act similarly to an LLC in that it protects it's member schools should it have to go "bankrupt" or does it act more like a regular business from which the owners are held directly responsible for all monetary debts owed by the business?
I don't think the schools are not held liable for those damages due to indirect voiding of the GoR by dissolution vote. That means they need Fox's blessing. Now, if you disagree and it acts more like an LLC then you would be correct that Fox gets screwed in the process.
Despite that though, the schools could easily be found liable for any damages caused to any of the other schools that would inevitably end up in a conference making a lot less money than what they currently make with the big 12.
ESPN had a contract with the Big East. It didn't mean all those teams that left needed ESPN's blessing. Although some say most heading to the ACC got it. At least that is what I am told by many posters on this board.
The GOR belongs to the conference. The tv network (or networks in the Big 12 case) is/are just gambling that the conference having a GOR will prevent the top value institutions from moving to another conference.
If they do move on to a different conference with a different network, wouldn't it be the conference that will have to attempt to get the $$$ from whichever network is televising the home games of the member(s) who leave? The original network(s) simply stop/s paying the vacated conference or at best renegotiates down if the conference survives by adding others to make up for the loss and the network(s) have an interest in that lesser inventory.
Cheers,
Neil
The conference cant attempt to get any money from a different Network in order to pay the previous Network because the conference will cease to exist. There are agreements in place that did not exist with the Big East situation and as you say...it benefited ESPN so they likely went along with it.
That is exactly what I am proposing here, that a situation comes about that brings about Fox's blessing. That is why I think they end up with a stake in The Big Ten's Tier 1 rights. For that to happen, all this has to happen before The Big Ten's negotiating window closes.
(06-24-2015 07:53 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:47 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:30 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]I am not saying that it's not possible Omni, I am just saying that the preferable method would be to have homes for everyone. The Big East didn't have a GoR contract binding everyone to monetary amounts for years to come. That is the situation in the big 12.
While the situation may seem similar on the surface, it is more like comparing apples to oranges.
We are talking about a situation happening all at once or happening over a period of many years.
Again, if a conference is considered dissolved, shouldn't the GOR be as well?
I am one who is skeptical about the legal strength of a GOR overall, seeing it just slightly better than a simple exit fee. I also see a GOR more of a deterrent to a single institution or two institutions leaving rather than 6 or 8 of them leaving. I really don't see a GOR being enforced through a court of law with that many teams leaving said conference.
But I have been known to be wrong before.
Cheers,
Neil
The way I see it, the Granting of Rights causes the tv rights of each school to be granted to the conference. I don't think we have any problem with that understanding, I am just stating the obvious to build the point.
From there, the conference can then sell those rights to a Network. The Network in question for this discussion is Fox Networks. They stand to lose the most should the big 12 be dissolved.
So let me ask you this. Does the Conference act similarly to an LLC in that it protects it's member schools should it have to go "bankrupt" or does it act more like a regular business from which the owners are held directly responsible for all monetary debts owed by the business?
I don't think the schools are not held liable for those damages due to indirect voiding of the GoR by dissolution vote. That means they need Fox's blessing. Now, if you disagree and it acts more like an LLC then you would be correct that Fox gets screwed in the process.
Despite that though, the schools could easily be found liable for any damages caused to any of the other schools that would inevitably end up in a conference making a lot less money than what they currently make with the big 12.
ESPN had a contract with the Big East. It didn't mean all those teams that left needed ESPN's blessing. Although some say most heading to the ACC got it. At least that is what I am told by many posters on this board.
The GOR belongs to the conference. The tv network (or networks in the Big 12 case) is/are just gambling that the conference having a GOR will prevent the top value institutions from moving to another conference.
If they do move on to a different conference with a different network, wouldn't it be the conference that will have to attempt to get the $$$ from whichever network is televising the home games of the member(s) who leave? The original network(s) simply stop/s paying the vacated conference or at best renegotiates down if the conference survives by adding others to make up for the loss and the network(s) have an interest in that lesser inventory.
Cheers,
Neil
The conference cant attempt to get any money from a different Network in order to pay the previous Network because the conference will cease to exist. There are agreements in place that did not exist with the Big East situation and as you say...it benefited ESPN so they likely went along with it.
That is exactly what I am proposing here, that a situation comes about that brings about Fox's blessing. That is why I think they end up with a stake in The Big Ten's Tier 1 rights. For that to happen, all this has to happen before The Big Ten's negotiating window closes.
And I guess what I am saying is that I don't think they need FOX's blessing because FOX is not the GOR holder. The individual institutions gave the conference exclusive rights to negotiate tier 1 and tier 2 content. The networks involved purchased the rights to televise those games for as long as those institutions are in the conference. Should they leave, the networks don't get to keep those rights.
In my mind I don't see how FOX can go to court and say CBS can't televise those games because we used to have a tv contract with the now defunct B12 and CBS needs our approval to televise them even though team "X" is now in "JKL" conference. What are they going to do, show up at team "X's" home stadium and simultaneously broadcast the game along with CBS?
Now the Big 12 the true GOR holder of rights, assuming the conference survives, I can see how they could file a lawsuit against any defecting institutions and name the new network as a co-defendant on said law suit. But the current network(s) gambled that the conference would hold together and lost in this scenario. They simply stop paying for those rights and they got the value out of them in the years in which they did broadcast them. Ultimately, the best that is likely to happen is a negotiated settlement that is more in line with other conferences exit fees then stopping the new conference and the network from televising those games.
Anyway, that's how I see this in terms of this hypothetical scenario. As I have stated in the past, I think some give way too much power to the networks. Not saying that they don't have a lot of power, but sometimes the way some posters psot you would think they have 90% of the power. That simply isn't so, imho.
But again, I have been known to be wrong before.
Cheers,
Neil
(06-24-2015 07:57 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]Bob Bowlsby: No indication that a majority of Big 12 presidents currently favor expansion
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/...sion.html/
The last time Oklahoma wanted some concessions they made a big deal out of the conference's refusal to add schools. I wonder what they want now?
What if they became the Big 14 with the add of:
Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, and NIU.
NORTH
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
SOUTH
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Texas
Houston
If they can't decide on the 12th why would they add two more?
The cracks in the dike are showing. At some point I expect the additions of Cincy and (for football only) BYU. The 12-11 arrangement works fine for the MWC.
(06-24-2015 07:57 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]Bob Bowlsby: No indication that a majority of Big 12 presidents currently favor expansion
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/...sion.html/
Bowlsby is crawfishin. His prior comments last several months were that the conference was not interested in expansion. Now, he's saying a
majority of presidents have
not indicated that they want to expand.
His crap just won't hunt anymore.
Boren made his comments for a reason. All the rest of us can speculate as to what's going on, but it sure does seem like there's some fire hidden under all of the smoke.
If the Big 12 expand it will only be because the LHN is no more. There is no real need for them to expand without a Conference network as no one would add value without it. With a Conference Network, almost anyone would add value provided they aren't in a market that the conference already owns.
There is little reason for them to expand without a Conference Network which is where the real money is. A CCG only brings in 20-30mil. That's 2-3mil a team not counting the new adds. With a Conference network, each team could bring in anywhere from 5-20mil extra a year, including the new adds.
I pick the death of the LHN and UC, Memphis, ECU, Tulane, UCF and South Florida to the Big 16. This blocks SEC expansion into East Carolina and secures access to the recruiting grounds of Ohio and Florida, two of the top 5 recruiting ground in the country.
(06-24-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.
A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.
That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?
It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.
If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.
Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.
Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.
In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
But isn't that what essentially happened to the Big East in a very short time span? SU, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers, Louisville, Georgetown, St. John's, Nova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul all basically left UConn, Cincinnati, and USF to fend on their own and make do.
Cheers,
Neil
I get your point, but all those schools didnt all leave at the same time (or news conference) Uconn, usf and cincy werent exactly left alone either. by the time the c7 left. temple,memphis,ucf,houston,smu,ecu,tulane were on the way in one form or the other