(01-07-2015 02:15 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]http://hamptonroads.com/2015/01/delegate...ports-cuts
Quote:An influential member of the House of Delegates plans to sponsor legislation that would cap student athletic fees, a move that could force major cuts to the athletic programs at Old Dominion and Norfolk State universities.
Del. Kirk Cox, R-Colonial Heights, said he wants to require Virginia schools to reduce student fees by either trimming athletic costs or increasing athletic funding that they produce through other means.
Cox’s proposal could leave schools such as ODU and NSU without sufficient funds to operate all of their existing teams.
It is alarming, but there may be other ways for student fees to be incorporated into the budget without the title “student’s athletic fees”. If they "SAF" becoming a part of tuition potentially they could be appropriated to other needs of the University. I believe there are a few schools in Virginia that have been very creative and manipulating the numbers right now.
I can't wait to hear Nick Cattles talk about this on the drive home!!
I hope Cox plans on retiring soon. But either way, this will not get through the General Assembly.
Stupid. ODU is one of the least expensive schools in Virginia. They need to look elsewhere.
IMHO ODU can simply incorporate the portion that is capped off into tuition and get around it. I mean we are one of the cheaper schools in VA and ofcourse increasing burden on students further is not my idea but what ever we have now just find a way around it to keep it if this law happens to pass.
Why now? So they can justify their lack of funding for public education.
How about we reduce student fees by having the Commonwealth return funding of higher education to acceptable levels.
It mightbalso help if they actually used lottery proceeds to augment spending on education instead of using them to replace other forms of resources which used to be earmarked for that purpose.
(01-07-2015 06:07 PM)TedHead Wrote: [ -> ]Why now? So they can justify their lack of funding for public education.
They cut funding for higher education, and then want everyone to believe they are looking out for the best interest of students by going after athletics. It's like a guy setting a house on fire and then trying to claim hero status for dragging someone out of the burning building.
(01-07-2015 06:12 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2015 06:07 PM)TedHead Wrote: [ -> ]Why now? So they can justify their lack of funding for public education.
It's like a guy setting a house on fire and then trying to claim hero status for dragging someone out of the burning building.
That is an excellent analogy. You did notice the end of the VA Lottery First Down? It's because our state legislators took away the lottery funding for public education. Ask them where it went and tell me how many crickets you hear.
Quote:The required fees for athletics "do not contribute to institutions' academic missions and do not benefit the vast majority of students," the report noted.
This clown just doesn't get it.
He must have been bullied alot in Jr. High.
Quote:"We simply cannot ask students who will never play a minute of college sports to bear such a disproportionate share of these costs associated with these programs," he said.
Then why does taxpayer money pay for high school sports? Including from those taxpayers who don't have kids in school or who send their kids to private schools. This guy is clueless.
Politicians, hell bent on taking all the fun out of life.
(01-08-2015 10:19 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ]He must have been bullied alot in Jr. High.
from petersburg. went to jmu. if dukes cant have a big time team, nobody can. its not fair.....:(
I view this as almost a UAB situation.
I can't help but wonder if UVA and VT would prefer we stay where we are and at our current level of influence.
I can't help but wonder if this isn't a legislative assault to stop our momentum.
Without a doubt, UVA and VT currently have more influence on the state legislature. The biggest schools in VA are now VCU and Mason. VT is third but we will surpass them soon. So with 3 large metro area schools exploding in all measurable indicators - especially in enrollment and subsequent alumni - the influence of these 3 schools will only grow with time in the state. As these 3 begin to produce more alumni each year than UVA and VT - it changes the atmosphere within the state. The future is very bright for these 3 and growing. UVA and VT - remaining steady or decreasing in some ways.
Might this be an opportunity to knock down these 3 growing schools? UVA and VT have an advantage in financial resources and revenue streams - CURRENTLY. It is certainly in their best interest to protect their positions. Stopping the growth of these 3 might be in their best interest - especially now while they have the financial advantage. Ending or severely decreasing a vital revenue stream for these 3 might be a tool they are more than willing to use - especially as they can rest on their ACC revenue streams.
I see this a nothing but a blatant assault on Old Dominion, Virginia Commonwealth and George Mason. And as Old Dominion is in a state of unsurpassed growth - especially with the addition and success of football - I see this as a direct assault on Old Dominion.
There are multiple problems with this
First, only Tennessee and Virginia are required to break out athletic fees as definable line items. Many Colleges and Universities lump all "fees" in one category, and many others hide targeted monies through specific accounting schemes.
For example
Penn State. Fees are listed as only $882.00. However tuition is $15,562 for a total of 16,444. That would place them only below W&M in Va.
An example of great value, #7 on of Kiplinger's list of best values, is Maryland , with tuition and mandatory fees amounting to $9,427. This puts the Terps just above ODU (at $9.250)
Therefore, the only way to accurately compare various institutions is to use the "tuition + fees" totals. Some schools even list a very nebulous "other costs" category.
Even then, some colleges and universities keep their in-state costs down by "backloading" the out-of-state charges.
Any nationwide comparisons must include geography. as local cost-of-living will affect these costs somewhat.
And finally, and maybe most important;
costs at state institutions across the country are reflective of the amount of funding they receive from their respective states.
North Carolina institutions have a lower in-state tuition+fees total, but
Quote:More than half of North Carolina’s $20 billion budget supports education (public schools, community colleges and universities). Funding to support the 17-campus University of North Carolina system is nearly $2.5 billion or 12 percent of the overall state budget.
State appropriations and aid account for around 20 percent of UNC CH's $2.4 billion operating budget.
This Cox guy has simplified his argument and analysis to the point of being laughable.
JMU grad did you say?
(01-08-2015 11:53 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]There are multiple problems with this
First, only Tennessee and Virginia are required to break out athletic fees as definable line items. Many Colleges and Universities lump all "fees" in one category, and many others hide targeted monies through specific accounting schemes.
For example
Penn State. Fees are listed as only $882.00. However tuition is $15,562 for a total of 16,444. That would place them only below W&M in Va.
An example of great value, #7 on of Kiplinger's list of best values, is Maryland , with tuition and mandatory fees amounting to $9,427. This puts the Terps just above ODU (at $9.250)
Therefore, the only way to accurately compare various institutions is to use the "tuition + fees" totals. Some schools even list a very nebulous "other costs" category.
Even then, some colleges and universities keep their in-state costs down by "backloading" the out-of-state charges.
Any nationwide comparisons must include geography. as local cost-of-living will affect these costs somewhat.
And finally, and maybe most important; costs at state institutions across the country are reflective of the amount of funding they receive from their respective states.
North Carolina institutions have a lower in-state tuition+fees total, but Quote:More than half of North Carolina’s $20 billion budget supports education (public schools, community colleges and universities). Funding to support the 17-campus University of North Carolina system is nearly $2.5 billion or 12 percent of the overall state budget.
State appropriations and aid account for around 20 percent of UNC CH's $2.4 billion operating budget.
This Cox guy has simplified his argument and analysis to the point of being laughable.
JMU grad did you say?
Yes...but the scary question is; who is his audience? and who's believing it?
Quote:Yes...but the scary question is; who is his audience? and who's believing it?
Soccer moms that have bought into the media push to destroy football.