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(06-22-2014 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]

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(06-19-2014 01:25 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Compare Nashville to Memphis, people say wow! Much better city. Compare Nashville to Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Tampa, DC, Philly, NYC, Chicago, Phoenix, Denver, San diego, San Fran, LA, Seattle & Nashville looks well, average. It's all about perspective. Nashville suck just a little less than Memphis. Like I said before, Nashville builds one Batman tower 20 years ago and from hearing their citizens talk you would think they were effing Dubai. It's a joke. Shut up Nashville.

Nashville is the "it" city and the growth has been crazy. Since Batman, they have built about 5 other high rises and a state of the art convention center and downtown Sounds stadium has started. Others are planned and those are just downtown. If you drive anywhere around the MSA, then you see construction everywhere. We are expected to reach 2M people by 2020.

With that said, if there was a "it" state, then Texas kills everyone with the growth in all those cities.

I get the Nashville hate to some extent, but to hate it because out local government is proactive and the Chamber goes after HQ's everyday is a little petty.

I have said many times that I love both cities, they different and each one offers positives the others do not. Nashville is my home and Memphis is my home away from home.

If you think Nashville is an "it" city...you need to get out more.

Nashville blows.

Obviously you haven't been there in 15 years. I love Memphis but Nashville is pretty cool too. More than just the run of the mill locals live there with everyone wanting to be a country music star. It's like a mini-Hollywood and it offers some character and a cool vibe to the town. Get out of the Nashville suburbs and get downtown and you'll see someplace worth hanging out.

or is it just jealousy?

I appreciate the growth and success that the city of Nashville has accomplished over the last few decades. I think it is a wonderful accomplishment to their city leaders, and their citizens. I wish them luck in the future, and if they become the greatest metropolis in the free world, it will not bother me a bit.

I only really care about the future of Memphis and it becoming the best city it can possibly be.

There is really no need to be envious of another city, because they have achieved successes in the past that has eluded Memphis.

Memphis is a city that is defined by its history, and the people born from that history. A history that has not been without sadness or struggle, or triumph and celebration.

The people of Memphis reflect that history with a cutting edge that citizens in cities like Nashville and Charlotte don't always understand. A perfect example is this board where rarely a thread goes without argument, but rarely does a Tiger victory or a Grizzlie victory go without the masses uniting.

The city as a whole has gone decades now without a sustained growth. Yet the city has begun to pick itself up off the mat, and has revived its downtown area to a point where I cant even keep up with the new projects being developed. New industries are thriving, and new interstates will grow the metro area in ways never before seen in the Mid South region. New highrises such as One Beale being developed to add to the beauty of the face of Memphis. Old historic buildings being redeveloped to accentuate the History of a once and always proud city. All of this without very little to no support from the state govt. who chooses to allocate funding to the more appropriate cities in the state.

Im sure there are cities all over this country who have better futures ahead of them than Memphis, but I am also certain none of those same cities have a better people than those who live within the city of Memphis!

(06-23-2014 06:55 PM)bobby jo Wrote: [ -> ]I appreciate the growth and success that the city of Nashville has accomplished over the last few decades. I think it is a wonderful accomplishment to their city leaders, and their citizens. I wish them luck in the future, and if they become the greatest metropolis in the free world, it will not bother me a bit.

I only really care about the future of Memphis and it becoming the best city it can possibly be.

There is really no need to be envious of another city, because they have achieved successes in the past that has eluded Memphis.

Memphis is a city that is defined by its history, and the people born from that history. A history that has not been without sadness or struggle, or triumph and celebration.

The people of Memphis reflect that history with a cutting edge that citizens in cities like Nashville and Charlotte don't always understand. A perfect example is this board where rarely a thread goes without argument, but rarely does a Tiger victory or a Grizzlie victory go without the masses uniting.

The city as a whole has gone decades now without a sustained growth. Yet the city has begun to pick itself up off the mat, and has revived its downtown area to a point where I cant even keep up with the new projects being developed. New industries are thriving, and new interstates will grow the metro area in ways never before seen in the Mid South region. New highrises such as One Beale being developed to add to the beauty of the face of Memphis. Old historic buildings being redeveloped to accentuate the History of a once and always proud city. All of this without very little to no support from the state govt. who chooses to allocate funding to the more appropriate cities in the state.

Im sure there are cities all over this country who have better futures ahead of them than Memphis, but I am also certain none of those same cities have a better people than those who live within the city of Memphis!

Excellent post. Thou hast persuaded me!

(06-23-2014 06:55 PM)bobby jo Wrote: [ -> ]I appreciate the growth and success that the city of Nashville has accomplished over the last few decades. I think it is a wonderful accomplishment to their city leaders, and their citizens. I wish them luck in the future, and if they become the greatest metropolis in the free world, it will not bother me a bit.

I only really care about the future of Memphis and it becoming the best city it can possibly be.

There is really no need to be envious of another city, because they have achieved successes in the past that has eluded Memphis.

Memphis is a city that is defined by its history, and the people born from that history. A history that has not been without sadness or struggle, or triumph and celebration.

The people of Memphis reflect that history with a cutting edge that citizens in cities like Nashville and Charlotte don't always understand. A perfect example is this board where rarely a thread goes without argument, but rarely does a Tiger victory or a Grizzlie victory go without the masses uniting.

The city as a whole has gone decades now without a sustained growth. Yet the city has begun to pick itself up off the mat, and has revived its downtown area to a point where I cant even keep up with the new projects being developed. New industries are thriving, and new interstates will grow the metro area in ways never before seen in the Mid South region. New highrises such as One Beale being developed to add to the beauty of the face of Memphis. Old historic buildings being redeveloped to accentuate the History of a once and always proud city. All of this without very little to no support from the state govt. who chooses to allocate funding to the more appropriate cities in the state.

Im sure there are cities all over this country who have better futures ahead of them than Memphis, but I am also certain none of those same cities have a better people than those who live within the city of Memphis!

Cheers! Well said. I keep telling people, I used to be able to kind of, sort of keep up with new restaurants downtown, and certainly in Cooper-Young. Now, they are springing up so fast, I can no longer keep up. And Overton Square has just sprung up from nowhere. I see an amazing future for this city, and it is bittersweet to me because I fear I will not live long enough to see its full development. I am a part of its history, 62 years strong, and I cherish what I have seen. Exciting times!

(06-21-2014 05:03 PM)kabluey Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-21-2014 12:32 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote: [ -> ]

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(06-08-2014 12:02 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I much prefer Memphis to either one of those...I didn't enjoy Little Rock or Nashville's downtown, at all...I like buildings with history.

I much prefer the sterick building to that expensive batman looking thing in Nashville.

Agreed. And Nashville does not have the Mighty Mississippi on its doorstep. Our river view from the bluffs cannot be matched, esp. when you add in the soul, history, and hospitality of this region.

Little Rock is the most boring place to be on a weekend.

I'd like to have both, like Philly. I keep bringing it up, but the Trinity would have added some great, modern diversity to our skyline.

Maybe One Beale can borrow from that design, as well as add some ornamentation that few of the newer buildings have. I think only the Morgan Keegan building is a recent building with a spire or crown. 100 North Main has something but that's from the 60s. The others are older than that.

The Morgan Keegan building (now has a new name) was built to be a reflection of and pay homage to the Lincoln American Tower which it sits in front of on the bluff. The spire and the oval and the square windows mimic the best design elements of the Lincoln American Tower.

Can you please post another link to the Trinity pictures? I thought its design was really cool, and I had never even heard of it.

I'm not going to build up my hope with the upcoming changes with the One Beale design. Maybe with the fall of 100 North Main, that pushes the availability into one, two, or three near term tower projects. If One Beale doesn't have a hotel component, and if HRC happens and has a limited height, then perhaps a third building/tower with a hotel component would be justified down the road. But, if HRC has unlimited height, then that could take the remaining supply that is left for short term business after the Hilton Garden Inn and Holiday Inn Express are built on 4th. I would like to see them take the remaining block on/around the Lansky building, and build/incorporate the cafe, a museum, a theater, and the hotel. Putting parking in the pedestal could boost it a few more stories too.

But, one thing at a time. Make One Beale nice, tall, modern.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-678987-post-105...id10523868

Thanks! There is a lot I like about that eclectic design, esp. the water in the entrance to the tower. A great homage to the river. I would love to see some interior designs. There were supposed to be originally some garden condos behind the Horizon, which I thought would provide another way to live there and enjoy all the amenities without having to live in a tower. But of course, that was scrapped early on. So, I like the condo part of the Trinity.

Having St. Mary's Church right in the middle of that development is very interesting.

(06-24-2014 01:00 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-21-2014 05:03 PM)kabluey Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-21-2014 12:32 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2014 01:53 PM)kabluey Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-08-2014 02:25 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. And Nashville does not have the Mighty Mississippi on its doorstep. Our river view from the bluffs cannot be matched, esp. when you add in the soul, history, and hospitality of this region.

Little Rock is the most boring place to be on a weekend.

I'd like to have both, like Philly. I keep bringing it up, but the Trinity would have added some great, modern diversity to our skyline.

Maybe One Beale can borrow from that design, as well as add some ornamentation that few of the newer buildings have. I think only the Morgan Keegan building is a recent building with a spire or crown. 100 North Main has something but that's from the 60s. The others are older than that.

The Morgan Keegan building (now has a new name) was built to be a reflection of and pay homage to the Lincoln American Tower which it sits in front of on the bluff. The spire and the oval and the square windows mimic the best design elements of the Lincoln American Tower.

Can you please post another link to the Trinity pictures? I thought its design was really cool, and I had never even heard of it.

I'm not going to build up my hope with the upcoming changes with the One Beale design. Maybe with the fall of 100 North Main, that pushes the availability into one, two, or three near term tower projects. If One Beale doesn't have a hotel component, and if HRC happens and has a limited height, then perhaps a third building/tower with a hotel component would be justified down the road. But, if HRC has unlimited height, then that could take the remaining supply that is left for short term business after the Hilton Garden Inn and Holiday Inn Express are built on 4th. I would like to see them take the remaining block on/around the Lansky building, and build/incorporate the cafe, a museum, a theater, and the hotel. Putting parking in the pedestal could boost it a few more stories too.

But, one thing at a time. Make One Beale nice, tall, modern.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-678987-post-105...id10523868

Thanks! There is a lot I like about that eclectic design, esp. the water in the entrance to the tower. A great homage to the river. I would love to see some interior designs. There were supposed to be originally some garden condos behind the Horizon, which I thought would provide another way to live there and enjoy all the amenities without having to live in a tower. But of course, that was scrapped early on. So, I like the condo part of the Trinity.

Having St. Mary's Church right in the middle of that development is very interesting.

What do y'all think the odds are of the trinity taking off Again? If I remember correctly it was to be the northern most building & one Beale was to be the southern most. Stretching the skyline in both directions. The worry is, I guess, can downtown Memphis absorb two condo towers? But I personally feel that the more projects like this there are, you'll eventually draw in more businesses which could create the need for more office towers. I just really want to see Memphis get on with it & start becoming a more modern city. I'm tired of towns like Austin & OKC kicking our arse....

I think the Horizon, which is already built, would be the southernmost tower.

I definitely think there is room for 3 condo towers downtown with the economy improving, esp. if they are priced right. There are a lot of people, before the recession hit, from the Memphis suburbs and from the surrounding Delta, esp. Arkansas, and even Nashville, who were looking to buy a "downtown" pad for visits to Memphis or downtown for events and just general nightlife. With almost 30,000 people living downtown already, there has to be enough demand for 3 condos, esp. when you factor in the continuing growth of St. Jude, LeBonheur, and the Biomedical Center, and the satellite entertainment districts of the Edge, CY, Broad Street, and Overton Square.

It would be nice if we could get our biggest corporate citizen to build one or two buildings downtown, but their large campus out east pretty much eliminates that....

here's what they built in Dallas near the Galleria, not even in downtown. woulda been nice to see it in Memphis:

The FedEx World Headquarters is very nice, though...great location for their employees.

(06-24-2014 11:56 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice if we could get our biggest corporate citizen to build one or two buildings downtown, but their large campus out east pretty much eliminates that....

here's what they built in Dallas near the Galleria, not even in downtown. woulda been nice to see it in Memphis:

They are there as that is where Kinko's was headquartered

(06-24-2014 11:21 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote: [ -> ]I think the Horizon, which is already built, would be the southernmost tower.

I definitely think there is room for 3 condo towers downtown with the economy improving, esp. if they are priced right. There are a lot of people, before the recession hit, from the Memphis suburbs and from the surrounding Delta, esp. Arkansas, and even Nashville, who were looking to buy a "downtown" pad for visits to Memphis or downtown for events and just general nightlife. With almost 30,000 people living downtown already, there has to be enough demand for 3 condos, esp. when you factor in the continuing growth of St. Jude, LeBonheur, and the Biomedical Center, and the satellite entertainment districts of the Edge, CY, Broad Street, and Overton Square.

Your 30k population figure is a little high at this point in time, but it's heading that direction.

http://www.downtownmemphiscommission.com...s_2013.pdf

(06-24-2014 01:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]The FedEx World Headquarters is very nice, though...great location for their employees.

Unfortunately isolated, however. With Servicemaster nearby it would be nice to see more options for intellectual/innovative collisions among their young professionals that could reap dividends for the region as well as their respective companies.

Also, isn't the small umbrella office at the Crescent Center? If true, that's interesting as that helps those execs collide with other corporate execs in the area, 5+ private schools, (also close to Smith's home, which might be more important).

(06-24-2014 03:29 PM)kabluey Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-24-2014 01:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]The FedEx World Headquarters is very nice, though...great location for their employees.

Unfortunately isolated, however. With Servicemaster nearby it would be nice to see more options for intellectual/innovative collisions among their young professionals that could reap dividends for the region as well as their respective companies.

Also, isn't the small umbrella office at the Crescent Center? If true, that's interesting as that helps those execs collide with other corporate execs in the area, 5+ private schools, (also close to Smith's home, which might be more important).

They lease some space in the Crescent Center but the execs are over closer to Shady Grove.

It's on the other side of the street from the Crescent Center in a nearby office park.

Makes sense from an OPEX perspective.

I just worry that behind security gates, FedEx risks becoming Kodak, Xerox, IBM. Although, recently I attended a startup meetup and met a few entrepreneurs who are current FedEx employees. So, hopefully, there is a level of continuing innovation there. I also read somewhere about FedEx reaching into galactic commerce, at least from the logistic standpoint, as well as building an employee innovation center at their global hub at the airport. Companies like Amazon (downtown Seattle) and Zappos (downtown Las Vegas) are staying at the forefront of their industries by nurturing their employee's creative as well as commercial capital, while transforming their respective communities' downtowns. The latter may not be likely in the near term for FedEx, but hopefully working behind locked gates does not preclude them from remaining not merely competitive, but on the cutting edge, of their industry. As in many things Memphis, I'm a huge supporter of theirs, but never satisfied/complacent.

(06-25-2014 08:26 AM)kabluey Wrote: [ -> ]I just worry that behind security gates, FedEx risks becoming Kodak, Xerox, IBM. Although, recently I attended a startup meetup and met a few entrepreneurs who are current FedEx employees. So, hopefully, there is a level of continuing innovation there. I also read somewhere about FedEx reaching into galactic commerce, at least from the logistic standpoint, as well as building an employee innovation center at their global hub at the airport. Companies like Amazon (downtown Seattle) and Zappos (downtown Las Vegas) are staying at the forefront of their industries by nurturing their employee's creative as well as commercial capital, while transforming their respective communities' downtowns. The latter may not be likely in the near term for FedEx, but hopefully working behind locked gates does not preclude them from remaining not merely competitive, but on the cutting edge, of their industry. As in many things Memphis, I'm a huge supporter of theirs, but never satisfied/complacent.

I love FedEx and what they have done for Memphis the University of Memphis and their help in bringing in the Memphis grizzlies. That being said over the years I have been less than impressed with their ability to actually help improve Memphis on a national and even worldwide scale in helping to improve education and image in regards to bringing in new commercial by flexing and using their political and commercial muscle. I guess my simple point is, FedEx does not mind investing money in their community. I just don't think they have invested it in the right areas.

(06-25-2014 07:06 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-25-2014 08:26 AM)kabluey Wrote: [ -> ]I just worry that behind security gates, FedEx risks becoming Kodak, Xerox, IBM. Although, recently I attended a startup meetup and met a few entrepreneurs who are current FedEx employees. So, hopefully, there is a level of continuing innovation there. I also read somewhere about FedEx reaching into galactic commerce, at least from the logistic standpoint, as well as building an employee innovation center at their global hub at the airport. Companies like Amazon (downtown Seattle) and Zappos (downtown Las Vegas) are staying at the forefront of their industries by nurturing their employee's creative as well as commercial capital, while transforming their respective communities' downtowns. The latter may not be likely in the near term for FedEx, but hopefully working behind locked gates does not preclude them from remaining not merely competitive, but on the cutting edge, of their industry. As in many things Memphis, I'm a huge supporter of theirs, but never satisfied/complacent.

I love FedEx and what they have done for Memphis the University of Memphis and their help in bringing in the Memphis grizzlies. That being said over the years I have been less than impressed with their ability to actually help improve Memphis on a national and even worldwide scale in helping to improve education and image in regards to bringing in new commercial by flexing and using their political and commercial muscle. I guess my simple point is, FedEx does not mind investing money in their community. I just don't think they have invested it in the right areas.

I'm not sure how much flexing is a part of the DNA of this community and its businesses when it comes to what you're describing. Modern Charlotte was founded when the founders of rival banks walked together and discussed turning Charlotte into a center for something, some industrial sector, in their case banking.

Maybe it is a chicken and the egg thing about communal civic pride (i.e. they are, for the most part, very, very understated), and perhaps as civic pride continues improving, that feeds back into these companies and others.

They all do something. None of them do nothing, so it's all relative. Autozone seems to have wielded more clout in what you are describing than FedEx. Plough still wields more clout through its foundation than most. Might argue Danny Thomas has done the most. Yet, none of them wield the clout that companies in, say, Kansas City and St. Louis do to enrich their little areas.

But if they interact in circles that persist in obsolete misery and negativity, they might not feel the need or interest to stand out and subject themselves to the mocking and derision that hope and vision often is subjected to by the malcontents.

I continue to believe that fostering and nurturing positivity, vision, and optimism will lead to higher goals and improved efforts.

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(06-08-2014 12:22 PM)downsouth Wrote: [ -> ]Some major butt hurt in this thread.

Native Memphians have an inferiority complex/mental midget outlook on so many things it's sad.

Some people hate seeing wonderful old buildings torn down for no good reason...I'm glad projects like Crosstown and untapped are happening.

That's got nothing to do with it. My career is in the architecture/planning/historic preservation industry. I'm all for the preservation of historic properties and the preservation of the integrity of historic districts.

The constant "eff Nashville because they have the Titans, have better schools, better public transit, lower crime rate, lower poverty rate, is actually growing, etc." is getting old and is exactly what I'm referring to.

You couldn't be further off and you need a major reality check..

The reasons you list are NOT why memphians dislike Nashville. I like nashville and travel there all the time for work (monthly).

People in memphis get their feathers ruffled at nashville because of the CONSTANT attitude people in Nashville have towards all things memphis. I experience it every single time I'm there without fail. On a good trip all I get is subtle racism or sarcastic remarks.

I don't have an "us against" them attitude against Nashville - I like the city. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be told where to live or that my choice on where to live is bad because someone from Nashville told me so. I've lived in 5 states, several major cities, and I've traveled all over the world - US, Canada, India, Europe, South America, the Middle East. I even have a job where I can choose where I can live. I choose here and I choose to try to make the city better.

All your other points are way off - Titans? Many memphians are Titans fans. Crime? Yep, it's an issue but newsflash sport - Nashville is only 2 places behind memphis on the FBI violent crime list.

Memphis is the #1 tax source in the state and yeah, there is a competition between Nashville and Memphis regarding how state tax revenue is spent. That's true of Austin and Dallas and many other states with 2 major cities, one of which happens to be the state capital. There will always be a problem with tax resources between the 2 cities and memphis will probably always be on the short end of the stick. A perfect example - memphis has a burgeoning indie film industry and has been working to bring major films to the city but nashville has shot down any tax benefits and eaten up all film tax credits for the show Nashville. That's how the ball rolls sometimes but you can't blame memphians for telling their representatives to try to get taxes spent on memphis projects. The same thing occurs at the national level in congress when we're competition with other states for resources.

What's wrong with Nashville isn't the city, the nightlife, the influx of northerners, the music, or the competition over tax resources.

What's wrong with Nashville is people like YOU.

I'm late, but boom close the damn thread!

(06-24-2014 01:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]The FedEx World Headquarters is very nice, though...great location for their employees.

that looks like an other suburban office park.

(06-27-2014 08:37 AM)fsquid Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-24-2014 01:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]The FedEx World Headquarters is very nice, though...great location for their employees.

that looks like an other suburban office park.

I had to spend a week at the Apple Campus in Cupertino...they seem very similar.

just as ugly. Their new one will look cool though.