I've never said anything against A&M. Mizzou's basketball program gave the SEC something they needed too. But CU is another matter...
(09-21-2013 02:34 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I've never said anything against A&M. Mizzou's basketball program gave the SEC something they needed too. But CU is another matter...
CU basketball is as valuable an addition as Mizzou. Better, if they can hold onto their coach. I'd take Boyle over Haith any day.
(09-21-2013 03:08 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 02:34 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I've never said anything against A&M. Mizzou's basketball program gave the SEC something they needed too. But CU is another matter...
CU basketball is as valuable an addition as Mizzou. Better, if they can hold onto their coach. I'd take Boyle over Haith any day.
Sorry Wedge, but the PAC 12 screwed itself with bad realignment decision making—it adds Utah and CU that have been pathetic in the PAC 12 (strictly for their markets), but turn down a marquee school like OU and a school with a lot of potential like OSU. After making the worst realignment decision ever by turning down a marquee school like OU (which according to Dodds, the B12 would have died without OU), the PAC 12 finds itself without any marquee expansion options unless the B12 implodes again. This probably won’t happen until the B12's GOR expires. Moreover, if it meant getting TX, Baylor should have been taken over CU. The PAC could have taken control over the huge TX market and would have had a football conference “almost” SECond to none…..
(09-21-2013 05:32 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 03:08 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 02:34 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I've never said anything against A&M. Mizzou's basketball program gave the SEC something they needed too. But CU is another matter...
CU basketball is as valuable an addition as Mizzou. Better, if they can hold onto their coach. I'd take Boyle over Haith any day.
Sorry Wedge, but the PAC 12 screwed itself with bad realignment decision making—it adds Utah and CU that have been pathetic in the PAC 12 (strictly for their markets), but turn down a marquee school like OU and a school with a lot of potential like OSU. After making the worst realignment decision ever by turning down a marquee school like OU (which according to Dodds, the B12 would have died without OU), the PAC 12 finds itself without any marquee expansion options unless the B12 implodes again. This probably won’t happen until the B12's GOR expires. Moreover, if it meant getting TX, Baylor should have been taken over CU. The PAC could have taken control over the huge TX market and would have had a football conference “almost” SECond to none…..
how did the p12 screw itself? they made two very good & very safe additions that gave them a massive tv contract without radically altering the mentality of the conference.
yeah adding texas would of been nice, but theres also a lot of BS that comes on the side and in doing so the p12 would never be west coast based conference anymore. going forward it would of been a conference with two competing mentalities. i think a big reason why they said no in 2011 was because they didnt want to risk the long term viability of the conference. looking at the mistakes of the b12, you had two groups forced into a conference but never really fit.
baylor is not an option, to add baylor would have meant to forfeit several decades of the pacs mentality of avoiding religious schools. how can you justify the pac rejecting BYU only to cave on baylor?
these are long term moves. to say baylor is a better move than CU is a total joke. remind me the status of both programs 10 years ago & 20 years ago. as good as baylor is right now, CU's program is historically 5x stronger. so if you are making a move, whats the best LONG TERM. CU every single time.
now breaking down the cu/utah moves i think they were brilliant. CU has always been a p12 style school and they fit in perfectly. They recruit in the west, their alumni is in the west, cu in the pac12 makes cu stronger over time. they bring academics, a major market, and solid history in football as well as non football sports. utah was more of a move of desperation, but looking at them they were a very good add because they compliment CU so well. they are a historical rival of CU and connect CU to the rest of the pac geographically. they totally negate any outlier status CU has.
sorry but i dont see in any way shape or form how the p12 lost out on these moves
(09-21-2013 07:39 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:31 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine that...
imagine what?
This... (09-21-2013 07:13 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]i dont see in any way shape or form how the p12 lost out on these moves
sorry but its true
No. It's your opinion, which doesn't make it true...
(09-21-2013 07:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:39 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:31 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine that...
imagine what?
This... (09-21-2013 07:13 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]i dont see in any way shape or form how the p12 lost out on these moves
sorry but its true
No. It's your opinion, which doesn't make it true...
if you say the p12 lost out because they didnt get ou or texas then by that standard the b10, sec, & acc all lost out as well
you cant blame a conference for opting out of a high risk-high reward type move. texas is a great school, but it also has a lot of issues associated with being a conferencemate with them.
(09-21-2013 07:43 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:39 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:31 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]imagine what?
This... (09-21-2013 07:13 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]i dont see in any way shape or form how the p12 lost out on these moves
sorry but its true
No. It's your opinion, which doesn't make it true...
if you say the p12 lost out because they didnt get ou or texas then by that standard the b10, sec, & acc all lost out as well
you cant blame a conference for opting out of a high risk-high reward type move. texas is a great school, but it also has a lot of issues associated with being a conferencemate with them.
Had the P12 accepted Oklahoma, they most likely would have been able to get Texas as well, since the B12 would have most likely folded the tent after that. The P12 missed the boat, and it may never sail again...
i just dont get how you can blame a conference for opting not to totally sell out to texas.
i mean you had issues with baylor, the LHN, unequal revenue sharing which came along with adding texas.....
and then theres the whole "what to do with them once they are in the conference" question
im sorry but the p12 made the right call here.
(09-21-2013 08:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:43 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:39 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]This...
sorry but its true
No. It's your opinion, which doesn't make it true...
if you say the p12 lost out because they didnt get ou or texas then by that standard the b10, sec, & acc all lost out as well
you cant blame a conference for opting out of a high risk-high reward type move. texas is a great school, but it also has a lot of issues associated with being a conferencemate with them.
Had the P12 accepted Oklahoma, they most likely would have been able to get Texas as well, since the B12 would have most likely folded the tent after that. The P12 missed the boat, and it may never sail again...
Dodds admitted in a subsequent interview that the B12 would have died without OU. Moreover, there were only two marquee schools that PAC 12 had a chance at getting: TX and OU—period. When one of the two comes knocking on your door, you let him and his little brother in because your neighbor (the MWC) doesn’t have the assets that your two guess have and could bring (TX and TT). Moreover, as bitcruncher has pointed out to you, the PAC 12 would have likely gotten TX and TT because it was the only conference willing to accept both schools. Regarding the PAC taking a religious school like Baylor, please keep in mind that the PAC 12 was willing to lower its high academic standards (which is shocking) to accept OU, OSU, and TT if TX and the LHN were included in the deal. Consequently, the PAC 12 would have been willing to break bread with Baylor so that it could make loave$ of bread with TX and the LHN. CU and Utah (which met the PAC 12's high academic standards) only provided the PAC 12 with new markets to showcase an average conference at best. In fact, their pathetic performance in the PAC 12 has weakened the perception of the conference in my opinion. However, adding OU, OSU, and likely getting TX and TT in the process would have made an average PAC 12 better and much richer…..
(09-21-2013 08:26 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 08:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:43 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:39 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]sorry but its true
No. It's your opinion, which doesn't make it true...
if you say the p12 lost out because they didnt get ou or texas then by that standard the b10, sec, & acc all lost out as well
you cant blame a conference for opting out of a high risk-high reward type move. texas is a great school, but it also has a lot of issues associated with being a conferencemate with them.
Had the P12 accepted Oklahoma, they most likely would have been able to get Texas as well, since the B12 would have most likely folded the tent after that. The P12 missed the boat, and it may never sail again...
Dodds admitted in a subsequent interview that the B12 would have died without OU. Moreover, there were only two marquee schools that PAC 12 had a chance at getting: TX and OU—period. When one of the two comes knocking on your door, you let him and his little brother in because your neighbor (the MWC) doesn’t have the assets that your two guess have and could bring (TX and TT). Moreover, as bitcruncher has pointed out to you, the PAC 12 would have likely gotten TX and TT because it was the only conference willing to accept both schools. Regarding the PAC taking a religious school like Baylor, please keep in mind that the PAC 12 was willing to lower it academic standards (which is shocking) to accept OU, OSU, and TT if TX and the LHN were included in the deal. Consequently, the PAC 12 would have been willing to break bread with Baylor so that it could make loave$ of bread with TX and the LHN. CU and Utah only provided the PAC 12 with new markets to showcase an average conference at best. In fact, their pathetic performance in the PAC 12 has weakened the perception of the conference in my opinion. However, adding OU, OSU, and likely getting TX and TT in the process would have made an average PAC 12 better and much richer…..
If you are going to quote Dodds on this issue then don't take his words out of context by trying to sell some point that Dodds would have led Texas to the PAC if Oklahoma went there.
In that VERY SAME interview that you are referring to he also stated that Texas was in talks with the ACC to go there if Oklahoma left for the PAC because as you say, that move would have killed the PAC.
Texas wouldn't necessarily move to the PAC because Oklahoma does. The RRR game has existed much longer than the amount of time that Texas and Oklahoma have been in the same conference.
(09-21-2013 08:10 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]i just dont get how you can blame a conference for opting not to totally sell out to texas.
i mean you had issues with baylor, the LHN, unequal revenue sharing which came along with adding texas.....
and then theres the whole "what to do with them once they are in the conference" question
im sorry but the p12 made the right call here.
You're wrong. The P12 had a chance to get one of the NCAA's marquee football programs, and passed on it. That's a major mistake they may never get another chance at...
It was a stupid move, and falling back on academics as the reason they passed is just an excuse to save face...
The ACC had a similar decision when they accepted FSU, and they made the right choice. FSU's academic status has improved since joining too...
(09-21-2013 08:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 08:26 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 08:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:43 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]No. It's your opinion, which doesn't make it true...
if you say the p12 lost out because they didnt get ou or texas then by that standard the b10, sec, & acc all lost out as well
you cant blame a conference for opting out of a high risk-high reward type move. texas is a great school, but it also has a lot of issues associated with being a conferencemate with them.
Had the P12 accepted Oklahoma, they most likely would have been able to get Texas as well, since the B12 would have most likely folded the tent after that. The P12 missed the boat, and it may never sail again...
Dodds admitted in a subsequent interview that the B12 would have died without OU. Moreover, there were only two marquee schools that PAC 12 had a chance at getting: TX and OU—period. When one of the two comes knocking on your door, you let him and his little brother in because your neighbor (the MWC) doesn’t have the assets that your two guess have and could bring (TX and TT). Moreover, as bitcruncher has pointed out to you, the PAC 12 would have likely gotten TX and TT because it was the only conference willing to accept both schools. Regarding the PAC taking a religious school like Baylor, please keep in mind that the PAC 12 was willing to lower it academic standards (which is shocking) to accept OU, OSU, and TT if TX and the LHN were included in the deal. Consequently, the PAC 12 would have been willing to break bread with Baylor so that it could make loave$ of bread with TX and the LHN. CU and Utah only provided the PAC 12 with new markets to showcase an average conference at best. In fact, their pathetic performance in the PAC 12 has weakened the perception of the conference in my opinion. However, adding OU, OSU, and likely getting TX and TT in the process would have made an average PAC 12 better and much richer…..
If you are going to quote Dodds on this issue then don't take his words out of context by trying to sell some point that Dodds would have led Texas to the PAC if Oklahoma went there.
In that VERY SAME interview that you are referring to he also stated that Texas was in talks with the ACC to go there if Oklahoma left for the PAC because as you say, that move would have killed the PAC.
Texas wouldn't necessarily move to the PAC because Oklahoma does. The RRR game has existed much longer than the amount of time that Texas and Oklahoma have been in the same conference.
Please quote where I said Dodds "would have led Texas to the PAC if Oklahoma went there." Moreover, what I quoted is accurate and what has been suggested is an opinion....
Btw... You've been MIA for awhile.... It's good to have you back....
(09-21-2013 08:41 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 08:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 08:26 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 08:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 07:43 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]if you say the p12 lost out because they didnt get ou or texas then by that standard the b10, sec, & acc all lost out as well
you cant blame a conference for opting out of a high risk-high reward type move. texas is a great school, but it also has a lot of issues associated with being a conferencemate with them.
Had the P12 accepted Oklahoma, they most likely would have been able to get Texas as well, since the B12 would have most likely folded the tent after that. The P12 missed the boat, and it may never sail again...
Dodds admitted in a subsequent interview that the B12 would have died without OU. Moreover, there were only two marquee schools that PAC 12 had a chance at getting: TX and OU—period. When one of the two comes knocking on your door, you let him and his little brother in because your neighbor (the MWC) doesn’t have the assets that your two guess have and could bring (TX and TT). Moreover, as bitcruncher has pointed out to you, the PAC 12 would have likely gotten TX and TT because it was the only conference willing to accept both schools. Regarding the PAC taking a religious school like Baylor, please keep in mind that the PAC 12 was willing to lower it academic standards (which is shocking) to accept OU, OSU, and TT if TX and the LHN were included in the deal. Consequently, the PAC 12 would have been willing to break bread with Baylor so that it could make loave$ of bread with TX and the LHN. CU and Utah only provided the PAC 12 with new markets to showcase an average conference at best. In fact, their pathetic performance in the PAC 12 has weakened the perception of the conference in my opinion. However, adding OU, OSU, and likely getting TX and TT in the process would have made an average PAC 12 better and much richer…..
If you are going to quote Dodds on this issue then don't take his words out of context by trying to sell some point that Dodds would have led Texas to the PAC if Oklahoma went there.
In that VERY SAME interview that you are referring to he also stated that Texas was in talks with the ACC to go there if Oklahoma left for the PAC because as you say, that move would have killed the PAC.
Texas wouldn't necessarily move to the PAC because Oklahoma does. The RRR game has existed much longer than the amount of time that Texas and Oklahoma have been in the same conference.
Please quote where I said Dodds "would have led Texas to the PAC if Oklahoma went there." Moreover, what I quoted is accurate and what has been suggested is an opinion....
Btw... You've been MIA for awhile.... It's good to have you back....
Seems you were talking about two different time periods then within the same paragraph. I see it now but please, paragraphs, please.
Havnt been MIA, just havnt seen much to talk about but all the smoke coming out of Texas has my full interest.
(09-21-2013 08:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]all the smoke coming out of Texas has my full interest.
That's Mack Brown's career going up in smoke. Dodd's career was set ablaze by a burning ember falling from Brown's problems...
(09-21-2013 08:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2013 08:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]all the smoke coming out of Texas has my full interest.
That's Mack Brown's career going up in smoke. Dodd's career was set ablaze by a burning ember falling from Brown's problems...
Yeah, but it could lead to much more than just those two being replaced.
NE.... He better not let K St. come back and win.....