(09-18-2013 02:31 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2013 11:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Basically, nobody is leaving for the length of the GoR. So you guys can quit speculating about the breakup of the Big XII for the next decade or so...
Texas fans on Orange blood are talking about Texas leaving now. I know Texas leaving is the last thing a West Virginia fans wants to hear. However, Bit it is really being discussed by Texas movers and shakers. 
Who are the movers and shakers that are discussing this?
(09-18-2013 02:31 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2013 11:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Basically, nobody is leaving for the length of the GoR. So you guys can quit speculating about the breakup of the Big XII for the next decade or so...
Texas fans on Orange blood are talking about Texas leaving now. I know Texas leaving is the last thing a West Virginia fans wants to hear. However, Bit it is really being discussed by Texas movers and shakers.
The only movers and shakers discussing Texas leaving the Big 12 at this point are the nosebleed seat fans moving and shaking to the dance cam on the jumbotron.
(09-19-2013 04:52 PM)S11 Wrote: [ -> ]The only movers and shakers discussing Texas leaving the Big 12 at this point are the nosebleed seat fans moving and shaking to the dance cam on the jumbotron.
(09-19-2013 04:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Is it true of false?
false
(09-19-2013 04:52 PM)S11 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2013 02:31 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2013 11:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Basically, nobody is leaving for the length of the GoR. So you guys can quit speculating about the breakup of the Big XII for the next decade or so...
Texas fans on Orange blood are talking about Texas leaving now. I know Texas leaving is the last thing a West Virginia fans wants to hear. However, Bit it is really being discussed by Texas movers and shakers.
The only movers and shakers discussing Texas leaving the Big 12 at this point are the nosebleed seat fans moving and shaking to the dance cam on the jumbotron.
Why would texas want to leave? I can't see a compelling reason.
(09-18-2013 11:50 AM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]i think it has more to do with the b12 being such an inferior conference that schools will be more willing to go through all that to get out
I can't help but wonder why the GOR changes, so dramatic at that, came about. Somebody big must be looking around. I think BIG wants them in the worst way.
(09-20-2013 05:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help but wonder why the GOR changes, so dramatic at that, came about. Somebody big must be looking around. I think BIG wants them in the worst way.
If the B10, PAC 12, and SEC all worked together, they could pick the B12 apart despite its GOR or simply make rules for their new D4 that requires each conference to have 16 schools minimum and a conference championship game. Either way, the B12 would be done. The B10 could take KU and invite Misso, who would leave the SEC to be in the B10 with Nebraska and KU. This allows SECond to none football conference to do what it should've done in the first place and take OU, OSU, and WV. The PAC 12 gets TX (the LHN), TT, Baylor, TCU, and control over the Texas market….
There's no way the SEC agrees to get shafted like that and use two valuable expansion slots to take both Okie schools. OK is a small market and you only need one of them at best.
Additionally, I simply cant see the SEC going to 16 to bring in two tiny markets like OK and WV when all the bigger and better markets we want are back east so at most, one of them would happen.
I think we'd try to work a deal with the ACC to bring in a NC or VA school and hold WVU in reserve if only one of them will bite.
(09-20-2013 08:21 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 05:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help but wonder why the GOR changes, so dramatic at that, came about. Somebody big must be looking around. I think BIG wants them in the worst way.
If the B10, PAC 12, and SEC all worked together, they could pick the B12 apart despite its GOR or simply make rules for their new D4 that requires each conference to have 16 schools minimum and a conference championship game. Either way, the B12 would be done. The B10 could take KU and invite Misso, who would leave the SEC to be in the B10 with Nebraska and KU. This allows SECond to none football conference to do what it should've done in the first place and take OU, OSU, and WV. The PAC 12 gets TX (the LHN), TT, Baylor, TCU, and control over the Texas market….
That's too much of a concerted effort for that group to coordinate simultaneously. Honestly, they can't even keep a loose scheduling arrangement between two of those conferences and yet you want them to pick apart one of their own in a strategic takeover?
(09-20-2013 09:37 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 08:21 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 05:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help but wonder why the GOR changes, so dramatic at that, came about. Somebody big must be looking around. I think BIG wants them in the worst way.
If the B10, PAC 12, and SEC all worked together, they could pick the B12 apart despite its GOR or simply make rules for their new D4 that requires each conference to have 16 schools minimum and a conference championship game. Either way, the B12 would be done. The B10 could take KU and invite Misso, who would leave the SEC to be in the B10 with Nebraska and KU. This allows SECond to none football conference to do what it should've done in the first place and take OU, OSU, and WV. The PAC 12 gets TX (the LHN), TT, Baylor, TCU, and control over the Texas market….
That's too much of a concerted effort for that group to coordinate simultaneously. Honestly, they can't even keep a loose scheduling arrangement between two of those conferences and yet you want them to pick apart one of their own in a strategic takeover?
...or do what's in bold above (it could be 14 schools, but 16 makes it almost impossible for the B12 to expand and mantain its current $$$). I think the B12 schools would rather be in other power conferences than expand to the minimum number.....
(09-20-2013 09:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]There's no way the SEC agrees to get shafted like that and use two valuable expansion slots to take both Okie schools. OK is a small market and you only need one of them at best.
Additionally, I simply cant see the SEC going to 16 to bring in the tiny OK and WV markets when all the bigger and better markets we want are back east.
We'd try to work a deal with the ACC to bring in a NC or VA school and hold WVU in reserve if only one of them will bite.
The ACC has most of those markets on lockdown with a GOR. OU is a marquee school and OSU has a lot of potential. WV is a better fit for the SEC than Misso in my opinion. Misso belongs in the B10 to help lost its identity “Na-basket case” find itself along with KU….
(09-20-2013 09:37 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 08:21 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 05:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help but wonder why the GOR changes, so dramatic at that, came about. Somebody big must be looking around. I think BIG wants them in the worst way.
If the B10, PAC 12, and SEC all worked together, they could pick the B12 apart despite its GOR or simply make rules for their new D4 that requires each conference to have 16 schools minimum and a conference championship game. Either way, the B12 would be done. The B10 could take KU and invite Misso, who would leave the SEC to be in the B10 with Nebraska and KU. This allows SECond to none football conference to do what it should've done in the first place and take OU, OSU, and WV. The PAC 12 gets TX (the LHN), TT, Baylor, TCU, and control over the Texas market….
That's too much of a concerted effort for that group to coordinate simultaneously. Honestly, they can't even keep a loose scheduling arrangement between two of those conferences and yet you want them to pick apart one of their own in a strategic takeover?
apples to oranges.
scheduling arrangements have logistical issues with dates & $
working with other conferences to divide up a school is fairly easy if they can get past the politics and figure out a way to decide who gets the crown jewel (texas) without the other conferences flipping out
Yeah, simply no way the SEC takes both OK schools...and most likely wont take any.
We are under zero pressure to expand and can wait a decade till the ACC GOR runs out before considering expansion.
We arent going to be rushed into expansion to take 2 small market teams just to make a scenario ESPN doesnt even want happen.
(09-20-2013 09:55 AM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 09:37 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 08:21 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 05:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help but wonder why the GOR changes, so dramatic at that, came about. Somebody big must be looking around. I think BIG wants them in the worst way.
If the B10, PAC 12, and SEC all worked together, they could pick the B12 apart despite its GOR or simply make rules for their new D4 that requires each conference to have 16 schools minimum and a conference championship game. Either way, the B12 would be done. The B10 could take KU and invite Misso, who would leave the SEC to be in the B10 with Nebraska and KU. This allows SECond to none football conference to do what it should've done in the first place and take OU, OSU, and WV. The PAC 12 gets TX (the LHN), TT, Baylor, TCU, and control over the Texas market….
That's too much of a concerted effort for that group to coordinate simultaneously. Honestly, they can't even keep a loose scheduling arrangement between two of those conferences and yet you want them to pick apart one of their own in a strategic takeover?
apples to oranges.
scheduling arrangements have logistical issues with dates & $
working with other conferences to divide up a school is fairly easy if they can get past the politics and figure out a way to decide who gets the crown jewel (texas) without the other conferences flipping out
Yet you think that is easier than scheduling a few games? Amazing.
(09-20-2013 10:02 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 09:55 AM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 09:37 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 08:21 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2013 05:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help but wonder why the GOR changes, so dramatic at that, came about. Somebody big must be looking around. I think BIG wants them in the worst way.
If the B10, PAC 12, and SEC all worked together, they could pick the B12 apart despite its GOR or simply make rules for their new D4 that requires each conference to have 16 schools minimum and a conference championship game. Either way, the B12 would be done. The B10 could take KU and invite Misso, who would leave the SEC to be in the B10 with Nebraska and KU. This allows SECond to none football conference to do what it should've done in the first place and take OU, OSU, and WV. The PAC 12 gets TX (the LHN), TT, Baylor, TCU, and control over the Texas market….
That's too much of a concerted effort for that group to coordinate simultaneously. Honestly, they can't even keep a loose scheduling arrangement between two of those conferences and yet you want them to pick apart one of their own in a strategic takeover?
apples to oranges.
scheduling arrangements have logistical issues with dates & $
working with other conferences to divide up a school is fairly easy if they can get past the politics and figure out a way to decide who gets the crown jewel (texas) without the other conferences flipping out
Yet you think that is easier than scheduling a few games? Amazing.
Hilarious.
I mean scheduling games requires open dates which kills that but dividing a conference should be easier with entrenched politics, severe financial ramifications, tv networks, rivalries, redoing even MORE schedules, and other issues is sooooo easy. You've gotta be kidding me.
do you guys realize how hard it is to find 12 games in the same week?
or the budget issues involved with cutting a home game?
or the logistical issues of finding an open ooc slot?
or getting 2 conferences on the exact same page?
or last but not least getting 24-26 schools to agree to that?
its a LOT harder than you guys think
Everyone is under the impression that all conferences have to have the same number of schools or that parting of the B12 will be some trivial effort in collusion. The two major players that people seem to neglect are FOX and ESPN. Both current split the B12 with ESPN in tacit control of Texas. Save for one of the networks outright buying the interest of the other, I feel the B12 will continue to exist as a conference.
Schools that are interested in competing for NC will have to play a more difficult OOC, when compared to the other power conferences. This is also why at present a stipulation won't be created that mandates conference champs get auto-bids to the playoffs.
(09-20-2013 10:16 AM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]do you guys realize how hard it is to find 12 games in the same week?
It doesn't have to be the same week buddy
Quote:or the budget issues involved with cutting a home game?
or the logistical issues of finding an open ooc slot?
Yes we get that, we just think it's a heck of a lot easier than getting multiple leagues to coordinate a raid
Quote:or getting 2 conferences on the exact same page?
or last but not least getting 24-26 schools to agree to that?
its a LOT harder than you guys think
This last part can be applied even heavier on our argument that a coordinated raid is tougher.
Neither is easy however your scheduling agreement scenario is Sword Beach on D-Day and the coordinated raid is Omaha Beach in terms of difficulty. One is not THAT bad and the other is as tough as it gets.
I can get to 6 pretty easy for school's in the big 12 who could find homes and break the GOR, 4 to the pac, 1 to the big 10, 1 to the sec. Yet, getting to 8 is much more difficult. I would guess if its 6, a lawsuit could happen that 6 is enough to break the GOR considering it is enough to disband the league. More likely if your going the disband route, its a pac 20 with 8 big 12 invites so its a clean disband. In that case, its just one conference making a move.
