If UT doesn't get picked, I am curious to see if Charlotte makes it into the field as a 3rd team from the Atlantic 10.
Charlotte finished the regular season at 24-4, with a 13-1 conference record. Pretty impressive--like UT's record is. In addition to losing to UT by 10 on a neutral floor, Charlotte lost (non-conference) to Florida State (22-9) and Kansas State (15-17), and their only non-conference "big name" victory was over a TCU team that finished 9-21.
In conference, Charlotte did beat St. Joseph's on the road, and their loss was to Fordham at home...by comparison, UT beat CMU at CMU and lost to CMU at home. Because of how the A10 is set up, Charlotte only played conference foes once, not twice, and did not even play Dayton, who Toledo narrowly lost to on the road. We share a common opponent--St. Bonaventure. We beat the Bonnies at Toledo by 14; Charlotte beat them on the road by 7.
Would have been interesting to see what Charlotte's record would have been had they had to play Dayton in conference, and/or had to play Fordham & St. Joe's each a second time. And, oh, Charlotte lost to a lower-seeded Temple in the quarterfinals of the A10 tournament (the same Temple team they beat by 23 during the season).
If UT gets passed by, and Charlotte joins St. Joe's and Dayton from the A10 and gets in as an "at large", given this analysis it would seem pretty clear that MAC basketball isn't viewed very positively by the "powers that be" on the NCAA selection committee.
Good analysis. If that happens , it will show how MAC Women's Basketball is perceived by the rest of the country.
I see now that ESPN projects Duquesne as the 3rd team in from the A10 rather than Charlotte...Duquesne did beat 2 teams that were in the top 20 at the time they played them (Delaware & West Virginia), so I can't complain too much if that is the case...but if Charlotte were to make it as a 4th team out of the A10, (or somehow beats out Duquesne), THEN I'd be pretty disappointed!
I am fine if teams with better RPI's get in. Creighton and Duquense should be in. But IMO we should be next.
WVU: 17-13, lost three games in a row, so they aren't hot. They have 1 loss out of the top 100, that is Texas. Who the MAC champ CMU did beat.
USF 21-10- plays in the toughest conference in basketball. Have an RPI in the 50's, because their conference is so tough. Only game in common with Toledo is Marquette. They beat by 10 at home, We beat by 11 on the road.
Pacific- 6 losses, RPI of 50. No shot.
If none of these teams get in, and neither does Toledo...that is fair. After all SOS is factored into RPI, and Toledo's 3 losses with a 200+ RPI, is still better than a great SOS with 10+ losses.
Not something maybe anyone wants to bring up because we want it to be all about their basketball accomplishments, but for an audience starved sport I would be willing to bet that the selection committee is going to at least think about Naama being something of a "draw."
I am wondering how close the guy who does the bracketology predictions is to the final product. You have to be crazy/very lonely to pick all 64 teams and what cities they will playing in and against which opponents, or you have some good connections.
(03-18-2013 04:22 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]I am wondering how close the guy who does the bracketology predictions is to the final product. You have to be crazy/very lonely to pick all 64 teams and what cities they will playing in and against which opponents, or you have some good connections.
I believe the E$PN guy predicting the men's tournament (Joe Liunardi?) predicted all 68 teams (obviously not the correct seeding and placement). That's still damn impressive.
Well, if not an NCAA match up, possibly a first round WNIT match against Ohio State?
(03-18-2013 04:25 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2013 04:22 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]I am wondering how close the guy who does the bracketology predictions is to the final product. You have to be crazy/very lonely to pick all 64 teams and what cities they will playing in and against which opponents, or you have some good connections.
I believe the E$PN guy predicting the men's tournament (Joe Liunardi?) predicted all 68 teams (obviously not the correct seeding and placement). That's still damn impressive.
That is impressive.
(03-18-2013 04:25 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]Well, if not an NCAA match up, possibly a first round WNIT match against Ohio State?
That would be awesome! Kick some 0$U a**. Especially if we get them at Savage (which I'd think we would have a good shot at since the OHSAA tournament is at the Schott this weekend, and St. John's Arena is hosting the NCAA 1st & 2nd round).
(03-18-2013 04:25 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]Well, if not an NCAA match up, possibly a first round WNIT match against Ohio State?
The wnit people have said that they sort of rank the teams in the field and match high with low teams in the first round. they might set that up as a second rounder
If it is the WNIT we are in.... Toledo will be the top overall seed(or one of them), and playing at home. So they would most likely get one of the worst teams invited. Then a middle of the pack team.
OSU will be one of the last 4 or 8 out. I doubt Toledo would draw them until later, if it is anything like the NCAA's; where 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, 4-14 etc.. Regardless best teams will be split regions. OSU still has power and okay attendance. The WNIT needs them to play at home for as long as possible.
Annnndddd....we're not in.
In my opinion the NCAA committee should just be ashamed of themselves and just come out and admit that they are shills for the big conferences to keep the small schools down. Teams with at-large bids:
Team / Record / RPI / Attendance
WVU / 17-13 / 55 / 2664
South Florida / 21-10 / 56 / 1456
Miami / 21-10 / 51 / 1463
Kansas / 17-13 / 58 / 2817
And you leave out:
Toledo / 27-3 / 46 / 4263
I mean they created the frickin' RPI to explain why they picked certain schools and then of course, they really don't use it, ya know, cause ... well it might keep a big school out. I know we played an easy schedule. I get that. But they can't prove that we can't play with the big schools, cause we haven't played them yet. Yet, these 4 schools have had their chance to play with the big teams, and have proven that they day-in and day-out, they can't. 13 losses just cannot qualify you for the tournament. It's ridiculous.
I think the NCAA should establish a minimum success criterion like the football bowl system does. If you don't win at least 2/3 of your games, you shouldn't get in. (And yes I know that Miami & SoFla would still qualify under that scenario, but still. It would be something.)
UNCC did not make it, but West Virginia and Kansas both made it with weak records in the Big 12.
(03-18-2013 06:37 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion the NCAA committee should just be ashamed of themselves and just come out and admit that they are shills for the big conferences to keep the small schools down. Teams with at-large bids:
Team / Record / RPI / Attendance
WVU / 17-13 / 55 / 2664
South Florida / 21-10 / 56 / 1456
Miami / 21-10 / 51 / 1463
Kansas / 17-13 / 58 / 2817
And you leave out:
Toledo / 27-3 / 46 / 4263
I mean they created the frickin' RPI to explain why they picked certain schools and then of course, they really don't use it, ya know, cause ... well it might keep a big school out. I know we played an easy schedule. I get that. But they can't prove that we can't play with the big schools, cause we haven't played them yet. Yet, these 4 schools have had their chance to play with the big teams, and have proven that they day-in and day-out, they can't. 13 losses just cannot qualify you for the tournament. It's ridiculous.
I think the NCAA should establish a minimum success criterion like the football bowl system does. If you don't win at least 2/3 of your games, you shouldn't get in. (And yes I know that Miami & SoFla would still qualify under that scenario, but still. It would be something.)
I agree with you. I love how they will say that UT didn't prove themselves against good teams. Well, neither did the teams you mentioned! All they proved was that they would NOT play with the good teams!
See you at the game. Go Rockets!
With CMU getting an 11 seed, I bet UT would have gotten a 9-10 seed if we won the tournament.
