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Look at midmajors:
11/Green Bay/ 27-2/ 22 RPI/
5/Deleware / 29-3 / 21 RPI/
7/ Dayton/ 27-2/ 14 RPI

huh???

(03-18-2013 06:37 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion the NCAA committee should just be ashamed of themselves and just come out and admit that they are shills for the big conferences to keep the small schools down. Teams with at-large bids:

Team / Record / RPI / Attendance
WVU / 17-13 / 55 / 2664
South Florida / 21-10 / 56 / 1456
Miami / 21-10 / 51 / 1463
Kansas / 17-13 / 58 / 2817

And you leave out:
Toledo / 27-3 / 46 / 4263

I mean they created the frickin' RPI to explain why they picked certain schools and then of course, they really don't use it, ya know, cause ... well it might keep a big school out. I know we played an easy schedule. I get that. But they can't prove that we can't play with the big schools, cause we haven't played them yet. Yet, these 4 schools have had their chance to play with the big teams, and have proven that they day-in and day-out, they can't. 13 losses just cannot qualify you for the tournament. It's ridiculous.

I think the NCAA should establish a minimum success criterion like the football bowl system does. If you don't win at least 2/3 of your games, you shouldn't get in. (And yes I know that Miami & SoFla would still qualify under that scenario, but still. It would be something.)

I agree. WVU or Kansas should not have been chosen over Toledo. That is embarrassing for women's collegiate basketball. However, they continue to get away with such elitism.

Jordan Strack ‏@JordanStrack Wrote:Tricia Cullop: I challenge any committee member to look at all of the teams we've tried to schedule and have laughed in our ear.

I hope the Rockets play with a chip on their shoulder in the NIT.

While perusing the attendance rankings, I found it funny (sad funny, not haha funny) that big time school Syracuse only averaged 662 fans per game. I don't know how they deserve to be considered one of the big time schools in women's basketball.

(03-18-2013 07:00 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]While perusing the attendance rankings, I found it funny (sad funny, not haha funny) that big time school Syracuse only averaged 662 fans per game. I don't know how they deserve to be considered one of the big time schools in women's basketball.

Easy. By going 11-5 in the Big East.

(03-18-2013 06:43 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]With CMU getting an 11 seed, I bet UT would have gotten a 9-10 seed if we won the tournament.

This is a great seed for CMU because they will not see a #1 or #2 seed before the third round (if they get that far) and the game is in Columbus to boot although CMU didn't bring that many fans to Cleveland on Friday and Columbus is 2 1/2 hours further away for them than it would have been for UT. Knowing the history of the ncaa selection panel over the past decade, I would have been surprised if we had gotten it ---unfair?, probably but no way a surprise---it is always the same every year so this is nothing new.

So may a well gear up for the WNIT and hope we get some good games at Savage. They should be announcing their field in a few hours. "If you can't be with the one you love , love the one you are with".

(03-18-2013 06:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Jordan Strack ‏@JordanStrack Wrote:Tricia Cullop: I challenge any committee member to look at all of the teams we've tried to schedule and have laughed in our ear.

I really would like to understand this issue better. The rest of the MAC doesn't seem to have a problem scheduling at least a couple big name schools. CMU played host of them. BG played Purdue. Northern played Depaul & Iowa. Ohio played Duquense and Minnesota. WMU played Michigan. EMU played Michigan and Michigan State. Miami played Kentucky & Creighton. Buffalo played Duquense.

I just don't think it can be as simple as they are scared to play us. Any school worth their salt would have been scared to play CMU too. There just has to be something we aren't hearing about.

But if it is true that the big time schools refuse to play us, then we should complain loudly and often to whomever will listen ... of course, not one will ... but it sometimes make you feel better to yell and scream for a bit.

(03-18-2013 07:05 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 07:00 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]While perusing the attendance rankings, I found it funny (sad funny, not haha funny) that big time school Syracuse only averaged 662 fans per game. I don't know how they deserve to be considered one of the big time schools in women's basketball.

Easy. By going 11-5 in the Big East.

And even yet, no one wants to come out and see them.

And in women's basketball, the Big East is only "big" because of Uconn and ND. Take those schools out of the league and the RPI for the whole conference plummets. (In fact, the rest of the conference would probably be rated on par with the MAC, cause even with those 2, they still have 4 schools with 200ish RPIs.) That's another problem with the RPI. If you are lucky enough to be in a conference with two powerhouses like that, you get magical RPI bonus points, even if you get thrashed by them (and some of the other teams too) year in and year out. It make you look like a strong team, when in fact you are just riding the coattails of the exceptionally great schools in the conference.

(03-18-2013 06:37 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion the NCAA committee should just be ashamed of themselves and just come out and admit that they are shills for the big conferences to keep the small schools down. Teams with at-large bids:

Team / Record / RPI / Attendance
WVU / 17-13 / 55 / 2664
South Florida / 21-10 / 56 / 1456
Miami / 21-10 / 51 / 1463
Kansas / 17-13 / 58 / 2817

And you leave out:
Toledo / 27-3 / 46 / 4263

I mean they created the frickin' RPI to explain why they picked certain schools and then of course, they really don't use it, ya know, cause ... well it might keep a big school out. I know we played an easy schedule. I get that. But they can't prove that we can't play with the big schools, cause we haven't played them yet. Yet, these 4 schools have had their chance to play with the big teams, and have proven that they day-in and day-out, they can't. 13 losses just cannot qualify you for the tournament. It's ridiculous.

I think the NCAA should establish a minimum success criterion like the football bowl system does. If you don't win at least 2/3 of your games, you shouldn't get in. (And yes I know that Miami & SoFla would still qualify under that scenario, but still. It would be something.)

I think there should be a clearly defined formula used to select the at-large picks. You should be able to plug the information into a computer and have it spit out the 33 teams. How can anyone know how to qualify otherwise? What do teams work on to get in?

(03-18-2013 07:12 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 06:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Jordan Strack ‏@JordanStrack Wrote:Tricia Cullop: I challenge any committee member to look at all of the teams we've tried to schedule and have laughed in our ear.

I really would like to understand this issue better. The rest of the MAC doesn't seem to have a problem scheduling at least a couple big name schools. CMU played host of them. BG played Purdue. Northern played Depaul & Iowa. Ohio played Duquense and Minnesota. WMU played Michigan. EMU played Michigan and Michigan State. Miami played Kentucky & Creighton. Buffalo played Duquense.

I just don't think it can be as simple as they are scared to play us. Any school worth their salt would have been scared to play CMU too. There just has to be something we aren't hearing about.

But if it is true that the big time schools refuse to play us, then we should complain loudly and often to whomever will listen ... of course, not one will ... but it sometimes make you feel better to yell and scream for a bit.
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ATTENDANCE AT HOME GAMES AND OUR HOME RECORD

(03-18-2013 07:00 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]While perusing the attendance rankings, I found it funny (sad funny, not haha funny) that big time school Syracuse only averaged 662 fans per game. I don't know how they deserve to be considered one of the big time schools in women's basketball.

Belonging to a "BIG" conference and a decent (not great, just decent) winning record will likely get your ticket validated. Their attendance for the 2 (or 3?) WNIT games they hosted in 2011 was only about 200-300 as I recall.

(03-18-2013 07:12 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 06:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Jordan Strack ‏@JordanStrack Wrote:Tricia Cullop: I challenge any committee member to look at all of the teams we've tried to schedule and have laughed in our ear.

I really would like to understand this issue better. The rest of the MAC doesn't seem to have a problem scheduling at least a couple big name schools. CMU played host of them. BG played Purdue. Northern played Depaul & Iowa. Ohio played Duquense and Minnesota. WMU played Michigan. EMU played Michigan and Michigan State. Miami played Kentucky & Creighton. Buffalo played Duquense.

I just don't think it can be as simple as they are scared to play us. Any school worth their salt would have been scared to play CMU too. There just has to be something we aren't hearing about.

But if it is true that the big time schools refuse to play us, then we should complain loudly and often to whomever will listen ... of course, not one will ... but it sometimes make you feel better to yell and scream for a bit.

There are a bunch of teams nearby with good RPI's that would give us great SOS. With our traveling fan base we should neutralize their home court advantage and pick up a few good wins. Anyone. Anywhere. Anytime. (As long as it's close enough for our fans to travel.)

(03-18-2013 07:12 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 06:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Jordan Strack ‏@JordanStrack Wrote:Tricia Cullop: I challenge any committee member to look at all of the teams we've tried to schedule and have laughed in our ear.

I really would like to understand this issue better. The rest of the MAC doesn't seem to have a problem scheduling at least a couple big name schools. CMU played host of them. BG played Purdue. Northern played Depaul & Iowa. Ohio played Duquense and Minnesota. WMU played Michigan. EMU played Michigan and Michigan State. Miami played Kentucky & Creighton. Buffalo played Duquense.

I just don't think it can be as simple as they are scared to play us. Any school worth their salt would have been scared to play CMU too. There just has to be something we aren't hearing about.

But if it is true that the big time schools refuse to play us, then we should complain loudly and often to whomever will listen ... of course, not one will ... but it sometimes make you feel better to yell and scream for a bit.

Just from being around women's basketball a lot in my life, my suspicion is that UT didn't want to sacrifice many or any home games. They were probably proposing home-and-home sets with the big conference schools. That will get the other schools laughing on the other line. My suspicion is that the big schools would counter with two-for-one or three-for-one contracts with UT playing on the road this season (Naama's final season) and that's where the discussion ended.

Again, that's just my unsubstantiated theory. Your first two paragraphs express the way I feel as well. I'm not buying the company line of "nobody will play us, so we are forced to play two home tournaments against terrible opponents." If you don't want to leave zero margin for error after a two loss season, then it's up to you to get a decent (not even good, just decent) schedule.

(03-18-2013 07:18 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 07:05 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 07:00 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]While perusing the attendance rankings, I found it funny (sad funny, not haha funny) that big time school Syracuse only averaged 662 fans per game. I don't know how they deserve to be considered one of the big time schools in women's basketball.

Easy. By going 11-5 in the Big East.

And even yet, no one wants to come out and see them.

And in women's basketball, the Big East is only "big" because of Uconn and ND. Take those schools out of the league and the RPI for the whole conference plummets. (In fact, the rest of the conference would probably be rated on par with the MAC, cause even with those 2, they still have 4 schools with 200ish RPIs.) That's another problem with the RPI. If you are lucky enough to be in a conference with two powerhouses like that, you get magical RPI bonus points, even if you get thrashed by them (and some of the other teams too) year in and year out. It make you look like a strong team, when in fact you are just riding the coattails of the exceptionally great schools in the conference.

The Big East is going to be decimated by the conference break-up. Just from this year, the top four teams, five of the top six teams, plus Rutgers will be out of the conference. The new Big East will be extremely weak, whatever the Conference USA thing is called next year will be dominated by UConn, and Notre Dame and Syracuse should do really well in the ACC.

(03-18-2013 06:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Jordan Strack ‏@JordanStrack Wrote:Tricia Cullop: I challenge any committee member to look at all of the teams we've tried to schedule and have laughed in our ear.

Start naming names. Post their response on the internet for all to see.

(03-18-2013 07:18 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]And even yet, no one wants to come out and see them.

Their men's team has been to the NCAA something like 13 out of the past 15 or 16 years, has a record of 21-10 in the tournament and has won a national championship-----so compared to their men's program, they don't consider the success of their women's program is anything to get too excited about, I guess.

(03-18-2013 07:29 PM)RocketJeff Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 06:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

Jordan Strack ‏@JordanStrack Wrote:Tricia Cullop: I challenge any committee member to look at all of the teams we've tried to schedule and have laughed in our ear.

Start naming names. Post their response on the internet for all to see.

And at that point, Prairie View A&M will become the strongest out of conference opponent that UT can schedule.

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]Just from being around women's basketball a lot in my life, my suspicion is that UT didn't want to sacrifice many or any home games. They were probably proposing home-and-home sets with the big conference schools. That will get the other schools laughing on the other line. My suspicion is that the big schools would counter with two-for-one or three-for-one contracts with UT playing on the road this season (Naama's final season) and that's where the discussion ended.

Again, that's just my unsubstantiated theory. Your first two paragraphs express the way I feel as well. I'm not buying the company line of "nobody will play us, so we are forced to play two home tournaments against terrible opponents." If you don't want to leave zero margin for error after a two loss season, then it's up to you to get a decent (not even good, just decent) schedule.

That was my suspicion too, but didn't want to say so in case I am way off base ... either that or they wanted big $ guarantees for playing at UT that we weren't willing to give. Still, this season alone ND, South Dakota St, Green Bay, Marquette & St. Joes all played AT CMU. They couldn't all have demanded 3 for 1s or anything like that or CMU's schedule would be filled up already for the next several years. How were they able to do it, and we couldn't?

I do know part of the issue was that we wanted to play in tournaments this year. We scheduled 4 of them. Two at home, and the big schools certainly aren't gonna come to Toledo for two games. That ate into our schedule possibilities, so that may have been a factor too.

(03-18-2013 07:34 PM)T-Town Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2013 07:18 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: [ -> ]And even yet, no one wants to come out and see them.

Their men's team has been to the NCAA something like 13 out of the past 15 or 16 years, has a record of 21-10 in the tournament and has won a national championship-----so compared to their men's program, they don't consider the success of their women's program is anything to get too excited about, I guess.

UT is a major exception to the rule when it comes to attendance. For the most part, nobody really cares about women's basketball enough to actually attend games even if the record is phenomenal.

The Syracuse women have the Carmelo Anthony Center (unreal basketball only facility, one of the best in the nation) and a school with a very strong academic and job placement reputation; recruits will pay attention to that before worrying about 28 people showing up to their games.