Doesn't the ACC share revenue? The only difference is travel/ticket buyouts for the bowl games...teams are all =/- of about $1M annually.
I think IceJus is off on this...as revenue is equal.
(08-27-2012 02:58 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't the ACC share revenue? The only difference is travel/ticket buyouts for the bowl games...teams are all =/- of about $1M annually.
I think IceJus is off on this...as revenue is equal.
I think you missed something. Your comment doesn't fit the conversation.
(08-27-2012 03:06 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 02:58 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't the ACC share revenue? The only difference is travel/ticket buyouts for the bowl games...teams are all =/- of about $1M annually.
I think IceJus is off on this...as revenue is equal.
I think you missed something. Your comment doesn't fit the conversation.
You are correct just read the first paragraph...duh...I see where he is going. I agree the ACC/Orange Bowl will have to payout at least $7-10M to get the next available team.
(08-27-2012 03:15 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 03:06 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 02:58 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't the ACC share revenue? The only difference is travel/ticket buyouts for the bowl games...teams are all =/- of about $1M annually.
I think IceJus is off on this...as revenue is equal.
I think you missed something. Your comment doesn't fit the conversation.
You are correct just read the first paragraph...duh...I see where he is going. I agree the ACC will have to payout at least $7-10M to get the next available team.
Yeh, 4 million is too low.
(08-27-2012 03:16 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 03:15 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]the ACC will have to payout at least $7-10M to get the next available team.
Yeh, 4 million is too low.
perhaps so... but remember, the assumption is that the OB won't be getting the 1st BCS team from most conferences, so the number to compare is $4.5M (for 2nd bid)
Then again, assuming only $60M for the Orange Bowl rights is also probably too low - particularly if it can get a lineup consisting of either Notre Dame or the SEC/Big XII/Big Ten/Pac-12 champ in certain years or best non-AQ in other years. In that case I see no reason why the O.B. should not get $80M like the other 2. (and if ESPN doesn't want to pony up that much, Fox or NBC might).
Let's say $10M for the opponent and an average of $4M per ACC team just like the other power conferences (I won't get into how it should be distributed). 14 x $4 = $56M, plus $10M for a quality opponent = $66M total - just 10% more.
Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
(08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
That's what I was thinking. We still want first pick before the access bowls select, so we need to be higher than them.
I thought there was an NCAA rule requiring bowls to pay each participant the same amount? Does that ring a bell with any one.
(08-27-2012 07:02 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
That's what I was thinking. We still want first pick before the access bowls select, so we need to be higher than them.
I thought there was an NCAA rule requiring bowls to pay each participant the same amount? Does that ring a bell with any one.
No. The ACC gets more for the Chick fil a than the SEC does.
(08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
Do you have a reference for $6.2M? The number I saw was $4.5M (maybe my info is outdated?)
Even so, you don't have to pay more than what they are making now... you have to pay more than any other option would pay them (which is basically the "access bowls"). The Orange Bowl will NEVER have to compete with the Rose or "Champs" bowls because those are completely locked up.
(08-27-2012 07:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
Do you have a reference for $6.2M? The number I saw was $4.5M (maybe my info is outdated?)
Thats the figure that I have always seen.
(08-27-2012 07:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
Do you have a reference for $6.2M? The number I saw was $4.5M (maybe my info is outdated?)
Even so, you don't have to pay more than what they are making now... you have to pay more than any other option would pay them (which is basically the "access bowls"). The Orange Bowl will NEVER have to compete with the Rose or "Champs" bowls because those are completely locked up.
http://www.insidetheacc.com/index.php/20...tribution/
(08-27-2012 09:01 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 07:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
Do you have a reference for $6.2M? The number I saw was $4.5M (maybe my info is outdated?)
Even so, you don't have to pay more than what they are making now... you have to pay more than any other option would pay them (which is basically the "access bowls"). The Orange Bowl will NEVER have to compete with the Rose or "Champs" bowls because those are completely locked up.
http://www.insidetheacc.com/index.php/20...tribution/
Thats good enough for me. Thanks for the link.
Also noticed that ND gets treated like an at large team if they qualify for a bcs bowl and gets the same payout as Army, Navy and BYU of $6.2 million.
(08-27-2012 09:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 09:01 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 07:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
Do you have a reference for $6.2M? The number I saw was $4.5M (maybe my info is outdated?)
Even so, you don't have to pay more than what they are making now... you have to pay more than any other option would pay them (which is basically the "access bowls"). The Orange Bowl will NEVER have to compete with the Rose or "Champs" bowls because those are completely locked up.
http://www.insidetheacc.com/index.php/20...tribution/
Thats good enough for me. Thanks for the link.
Also noticed that ND gets treated like an at large team if they qualify for a bcs bowl and gets the same payout as Army, Navy and BYU of $6.2 million.
Yeh. They just are getting a higher yearly cut regardless of performance.
(08-27-2012 09:45 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 09:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 09:01 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 07:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 06:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]Right now a conference gets 6.2 million for another at large. That is the amount independents get too. I think that number would be the floor. You have to give more than the other non contract bowls in order to get first pick.
Do you have a reference for $6.2M? The number I saw was $4.5M (maybe my info is outdated?)
Even so, you don't have to pay more than what they are making now... you have to pay more than any other option would pay them (which is basically the "access bowls"). The Orange Bowl will NEVER have to compete with the Rose or "Champs" bowls because those are completely locked up.
http://www.insidetheacc.com/index.php/20...tribution/
Thats good enough for me. Thanks for the link.
Also noticed that ND gets treated like an at large team if they qualify for a bcs bowl and gets the same payout as Army, Navy and BYU of $6.2 million.
Yeh. They just are getting a higher yearly cut regardless of performance.
That's what a brand like theirs will do for you!
ND used to get $17.5 million if it made it to a BCS bowl, zero if it did not. It did not have to share that money as an independent.
It received that payout in 2000, 2005 and 2006.
Under the new BCS rules that took effect after 2006, ND got $4.5 million (the same as a second conference team making a BCS bowl) if it made it and $1.3 million (the same share as teams like Duke, Iowa State, Indiana, etc..get for just being in a BCS conference) if it did not.
Those rules were imposed on ND by the rest of the BCS. So, if you don't like that $1.3 million payment, blame the BCS conferences for imposing the change. It wasn't ND's idea. They liked the old "all or nothing" system.
(08-27-2012 10:08 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]ND used to get $17.5 million if it made it to a BCS bowl, zero if it did not. It did not have to share that money as an independent.
It received that payout in 2000, 2005 and 2006.
Under the new BCS rules that took effect after 2006, ND got $4.5 million (the same as a second conference team making a BCS bowl) if it made it and $1.3 million (the same share as teams like Duke, Iowa State, Indiana, etc..get for just being in a BCS conference) if it did not.
Those rules were imposed on ND by the rest of the BCS. So, if you don't like that $1.3 million payment, blame the BCS conferences for imposing the change. It wasn't ND's idea. They liked the old "all or nothing" system.
Nobody said they didn't like it.
It is about what everyone else is getting.
Everyone else gets a BCS share solely for existing in a BCS conference .
The $1.3 million is supposed to be the equalizer.
That money isn't to give ND more, merely just as much as other BCS schools.
The difference is that I wouldn't give them 6 million on top of their yearly guarantee. If Notre Dame figures out how to put a second team into the BCS then have the eligible for the 6 million...not before then though.
(08-27-2012 10:08 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Under the new BCS rules that took effect after 2006, ND got $4.5 million (the same as a second conference team making a BCS bowl)
I thought I remembered $4.5M... I guess the payout was increased to $6.2M somewhere along the way?
(08-28-2012 07:35 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2012 10:08 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Under the new BCS rules that took effect after 2006, ND got $4.5 million (the same as a second conference team making a BCS bowl)
I thought I remembered $4.5M... I guess the payout was increased to $6.2M somewhere along the way?
Here is a short article from Espn from Jan, 2011 about the Pac 10 getting a second BCS team and the payout being $6 million. Everything else I found says $4.5 million. So I dont know which figure is correct.
BCS Payouts