It's really happening.
The question becomes whether the teams will accept the invitations.
Quote:Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.
This means that Nebraska and Missouri will be pounding down the Big Ten's door with a battering ram. Maybe the MAC should consider inviting Iowa State. I know that the Sun Belt and C-USA would jump at the chance to bring in Baylor, Kansas, or KSU.
So...5 16-team mega conferences? (Although Kansas in the 'Mountain' West Conference just sounds wrong).
That's your new Div I.
I don't know if this will fly. Certainly the Pac 10 and Big 12 discussed some things a few weeks back. But, this is pretty big.
(06-03-2010 02:49 PM)uakronkid Wrote: [ -> ]It's really happening.
The question becomes whether the teams will accept the invitations.
Quote:Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.
This means that Nebraska and Missouri will be pounding down the Big Ten's door with a battering ram. Maybe the MAC should consider inviting Iowa State. I know that the Sun Belt and C-USA would jump at the chance to being in Baylor, Kansas, or KSU.
Good thing NIU didn't join the Big XII, I knew that move would finally pay off, not that NIU had a choice. NIU plays Iowa State from time to time and I wouldn't mind adding another team west of DeKalb in the MAC.
Ok, I still insist the ultimate goal is 80 (5x16) teams. They chop out the rest of Div IA/FBS, and then move to a playoff. Playoff is each conf has an automatic bid, and that leaves 3 wild card slots open.
Why? Because a playoff means A LOT of money, and then it's only split over 2/3 of the teams currently in FBS, which means even MORE money.
Ideally they have nearly every state covered, so they don't get push back (O. Hatch).
If the TX blogger is right, then my guess is it looks something like:
Big 16: Big 11+ Mizzou, UNL, N. Dame, Syr, and...Louisville (possibly WVU or UConn)
Pac 16: Pac 10 + TX, TTech, Colo, Okla, Ok St, Utah
SEC: SEC+ TAMU, UCG, Fla St, WVU (possibly Clemson, possibly L'ville)
ACC: ACC (-FSU, -UCG) + Big E remains (Cincy, USF, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers)+ ??? (1 slot)
MWC: MWC (-Utah) + ISU, Baylor, Kansas, KSU, and...Memphis. This leaves 2 slots open
So, there are 3 slots still open. 1 in the east, and 2 in the west.
Temple or UCF are your honest favorites in the East. I can see TPTB just leaving that slot open.
In the West, there are 2 slots open. Those too could just remain open, and then there are 77 teams vying for playoffs, and the revenue. But, if you're gonna fill the western slots, then top choices would be Hawaii, Houston, UNLV and Fresno St.
One final choice would be to drop SDSU (dividing revenue over 76 teams is even better) and send Memphis to SEC, WVU to Big 16, and L'ville to ACC. Hard to say if ACC would accept L'ville.
If you want to read some grade-A denial, check out the ISU board:
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/gene...c-ten.html
Maybe we should invite ISU, KU, and KSU. It can't hurt to try and nab them. If they turn us down, whatever. But if they accept out of desperation, the benefits far outweigh the travel costs.
(06-03-2010 02:49 PM)uakronkid Wrote: [ -> ]It's really happening.
The question becomes whether the teams will accept the invitations.
Quote:Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.
This means that Nebraska and Missouri will be pounding down the Big Ten's door with a battering ram. Maybe the MAC should consider inviting Iowa State. I know that the Sun Belt and C-USA would jump at the chance to bring in Baylor, Kansas, or KSU.
This is consistent with what I've been saying that Utah is not as hot of a commodity for the PAC-10 as what is commonly believed.
Its like if the PAC-10 is going to expand why not do it with Texas, Texas A&M or if they aren't willing Texas Tech even. Utah is only a 40k draw.
The Big Ten I suppose could go out and add Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, and Iowa State to gobble up the Big XII. I know the markets in some of those states are not big but Kansas and Missouri bring high impact hoops to Big XII.
Then SEC adds 4 (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech) as rumored to 16.
That leaves the ACC looking for 8 schools if it wants to go 16. USF, UCF to regain Florida markets. Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers. I don't know if UC or UL get into the ACC. WVU may be left behind as well.
Into the BE, in this case your going to need Memphis, ECU, Buffalo, Temple, Ohio, Marshall, Florida Int. all on board just to maintain a football conference. I'm not sure if that would be a BCS conference but it would be entrance into a great basketball conference for all those making the jump.
(06-03-2010 03:56 PM)uakronkid Wrote: [ -> ]If you want to read some grade-A denial, check out the ISU board:
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/gene...c-ten.html
Maybe we should invite ISU, KU, and KSU. It can't hurt to try and nab them. If they turn us down, whatever. But if they accept out of desperation, the benefits far outweigh the travel costs.
I think they would join and be accepted with open arms to the Big East. The basketball money in the BE is as good as anywhere, certainly a safe haven if your conference abandons you.
The MAC has no money to offer BCS defectors.
(06-03-2010 04:28 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2010 02:49 PM)uakronkid Wrote: [ -> ]It's really happening.
The question becomes whether the teams will accept the invitations.
Quote:Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.
This means that Nebraska and Missouri will be pounding down the Big Ten's door with a battering ram. Maybe the MAC should consider inviting Iowa State. I know that the Sun Belt and C-USA would jump at the chance to bring in Baylor, Kansas, or KSU.
This is consistent with what I've been saying that Utah is not as hot of a commodity for the PAC-10 as what is commonly believed.
Its like if the PAC-10 is going to expand why not do it with Texas, Texas A&M or if they aren't willing Texas Tech even. Utah is only a 40k draw.
I don't see any consistency. Texas and TAMU aren't likely to head west by themselves. Furthermore, this is a pretty new development of the Pac 10 expanding to 16.
Now, if you think T Tech proves something, what would that be? Even if the Pac 10 were interested in T Tech, they wouldn't invite them alone. They'd invite...Utah.
In fact, even thought I put TAMU in the SEC (and the SEC would LOVE to be in TX) don't be surprised if their concerns are just a swerve. I can see TAMU following TX and OK to the Pac 10, along with UTAH, and T Tech joining up w/ the MWC.
TTech would be disappointed, but they'd have a rivalry w/ TCU, and it wouldn't be the end of the world.
(06-03-2010 05:03 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2010 04:28 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2010 02:49 PM)uakronkid Wrote: [ -> ]It's really happening.
The question becomes whether the teams will accept the invitations.
Quote:Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.
This means that Nebraska and Missouri will be pounding down the Big Ten's door with a battering ram. Maybe the MAC should consider inviting Iowa State. I know that the Sun Belt and C-USA would jump at the chance to bring in Baylor, Kansas, or KSU.
This is consistent with what I've been saying that Utah is not as hot of a commodity for the PAC-10 as what is commonly believed.
Its like if the PAC-10 is going to expand why not do it with Texas, Texas A&M or if they aren't willing Texas Tech even. Utah is only a 40k draw.
I don't see any consistency. Texas and TAMU aren't likely to head west by themselves. Furthermore, this is a pretty new development of the Pac 10 expanding to 16.
Now, if you think T Tech proves something, what would that be? Even if the Pac 10 were interested in T Tech, they wouldn't invite them alone. They'd invite...Utah.
In fact, even thought I put TAMU in the SEC (and the SEC would LOVE to be in TX) don't be surprised if their concerns are just a swerve. I can see TAMU following TX and OK to the Pac 10, along with UTAH, and T Tech joining up w/ the MWC.
TTech would be disappointed, but they'd have a rivalry w/ TCU, and it wouldn't be the end of the world.
PAC goes to 16 and we know that obviously these 3 schools are going to be on the table.
Texas
Oklahoma
Colorado
Then if you look at the remaing schools
Texas A&M (75k a game)
Okie State (60k a game)
Texas Tech (60k a game)
Utah (40k a game)
For the sake of rivalries, tradition, and travel costs OSU, TT, TAMU would be going over Utah.
All hell is breaking loose at the Big XII meetings. They canceled some meetings and conferences and kicked out the press and all sorts of crazy stuff. Even if the article was complete BS made up by the author, they got a major reaction which means that some of it might be coincidentally true. Mission accomplished.
Texas AD: "We didn't start this. If we need to finish it, we'll finish it."
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/01/198...s-its.html
Texas wants the Big XII to live, because they control it almost absolutely. They won't control the Big Ten or SEC or PAC-10. So what might happen is the other conferences start picking off desirable Big XII teams until they kill the conference and ultimately force Texas to make a move.
Boy.
Being an Iowa State, K State or Kansas fan must be miserable about now......
Colorado's AD pretty much confirms the whole thing. He wouldn't come out and say that an offer is likely unless it was definitely happening.
http://www.buffzone.com/ci_15222068
"The World-Herald learned Thursday evening of administrative discussion that the Pac-10 may have set a deadline of Sunday for Big 12 teams to accept. The Pac-10 spring meetings begin Friday in San Francisco."
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100603/NE...the-big-12
Lots of possibilities in that article. Texas might have started the whole rumor as a way to goad Missouri and Nebraska to re-confirm their commitment to the Big XII.
(06-03-2010 08:35 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]Boy.
Being an Iowa State, K State or Kansas fan must be miserable about now......
Last time I checked Kansas had a pretty good basketball program
and no one wants Kansas these days????
Other then the MAC, of course.
(06-03-2010 08:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2010 03:46 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]SEC: SEC+ TAMU, UCG, Fla St, WVU (possibly Clemson, possibly L'ville)
ACC: ACC (-FSU, -UCG) + Big E remains (Cincy, USF, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers)+ ???
Who is UCG?
University of Miami (Coral Gables), as opposed to Miami University.
(06-04-2010 01:17 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2010 08:35 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]Boy.
Being an Iowa State, K State or Kansas fan must be miserable about now......
Last time I checked Kansas had a pretty good basketball program and no one wants Kansas these days????
Other then the MAC, of course.
Football, geography and academics is the concern. That and KState and KU are percieved as tied at the hip. Everybody else in the Big 12 seems to have a courtier in this game except those three....
Kansas to the MAC West? Hmmmmm.
(06-04-2010 02:59 AM)Karl Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2010 08:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote: [ -> ] (06-03-2010 03:46 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]SEC: SEC+ TAMU, UCG, Fla St, WVU (possibly Clemson, possibly L'ville)
ACC: ACC (-FSU, -UCG) + Big E remains (Cincy, USF, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers)+ ???
Who is UCG?
University of Miami (Coral Gables), as opposed to Miami University.
This is why I always just refer to them as UMiami and Miami U. in situations where they might be confused.