It was a fraud because we say so. Let's go over there and tell them who they can have as a President. It's time we stick our noses in their business. That's what we do best anyway. We know what's best for everyone, so we should just appoint our own government over there.
The citizens of that country will love us and greet us a liberators. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31385419/ns/today_people/
Man I'm glad this clown McCain isn't prez.
(06-16-2009 09:09 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a fraud because we say so. Let's go over there and tell them who they can have as a President. It's time we stick our noses in their business. That's what we do best anyway. We know what's best for everyone, so we should just appoint our own government over there. The citizens of that country will love us and greet us a liberators.
We don't have to stage an armed intervention. Just set up a covert operation assisting the reformers and destabilizing the Mullahs.
You have to manufacture an atmosphere where the (unarmed) people in the streets stand a fighting chance against the Revolutionary Guards.
Over half the Iranian population is under 30. They hate the Mullahs. We help them take out the Mullahs and put in their own government.
Can't get any worse than what they have now.
cb, I'm really begining to wonder how big the butts of those two girls will be in 15 years. And how do you get cloth to not stretch over a crack but into it?
Sorry, you were saying something about an election?
(06-16-2009 09:14 PM)WMD Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2009 09:09 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a fraud because we say so. Let's go over there and tell them who they can have as a President. It's time we stick our noses in their business. That's what we do best anyway. We know what's best for everyone, so we should just appoint our own government over there. The citizens of that country will love us and greet us a liberators.
We don't have to stage an armed intervention. Just set up a covert operation assisting the reformers and destabilizing the Mullahs.
You have to manufacture an atmosphere where the (unarmed) people in the streets stand a fighting chance against the Revolutionary Guards.
Over half the Iranian population is under 30. They hate the Mullahs. We help them take out the Mullahs and put in their own government.
Can't get any worse than what they have now.
Does anyone really think that we are not already doing this? The temptation is almost irresistible to policy makers. I'd find it amazing if we were sitting this one out.
I don't trust either of those madmen in Iranian's election. ...but I think the Norks pose a significantly greater threat. I'm starting to think the Gargoyle knows his time on Earth is near the end (age, health), and he's such a narcissistic prick that he wants to go down in as blaze of "glory" ......along with everyone else in his country.
(06-17-2009 07:17 AM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]I don't trust either of those madmen in Iranian's election. ...but I think the Norks pose a significantly greater threat. I'm starting to think the Gargoyle knows his time on Earth is near the end (age, health), and he's such a narcissistic prick that he wants to go down in as blaze of "glory" ......along with everyone else in his country.
uh, what? Care to translate?
(06-17-2009 02:24 PM)I45owl Wrote: [ -> ] (06-17-2009 07:17 AM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]I don't trust either of those madmen in Iranian's election. ...but I think the Norks pose a significantly greater threat. I'm starting to think the Gargoyle knows his time on Earth is near the end (age, health), and he's such a narcissistic prick that he wants to go down in as blaze of "glory" ......along with everyone else in his country.
uh, what? Care to translate?
No.
Ok, but I'm going to have to go with these definitions:
Norks and
Gargoyles
it makes your comment more interesting, but I still don't understand it.
Norks= North Koreans
Gargoyle= Kim Jong Il
(06-17-2009 05:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2009 09:14 PM)WMD Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2009 09:09 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a fraud because we say so. Let's go over there and tell them who they can have as a President. It's time we stick our noses in their business. That's what we do best anyway. We know what's best for everyone, so we should just appoint our own government over there. The citizens of that country will love us and greet us a liberators.
We don't have to stage an armed intervention. Just set up a covert operation assisting the reformers and destabilizing the Mullahs.
You have to manufacture an atmosphere where the (unarmed) people in the streets stand a fighting chance against the Revolutionary Guards.
Over half the Iranian population is under 30. They hate the Mullahs. We help them take out the Mullahs and put in their own government.
Can't get any worse than what they have now.
Does anyone really think that we are not already doing this? The temptation is almost irresistible to policy makers. I'd find it amazing if we were sitting this one out.
I don't think we are doing anything-- yet. If we were up to something, it would leak. Besides the Covert Ops wing of the CIA doesn't trust Obama because he could hang them out to dry.
In fact, the time to act is yesterday. And it would be really really simple. Get a couple of million bucks, launder it through a Bank in the UAE, and buy off the shelf electronics in Saudi, Qutar, Bahrain, such as sat phones, streaming video transmitters that run through either cell phones or sat phones, xerox machines, and printers and smuggle them across the Gulf to Iran.
You could have live streaming video of every protest and watch the Revolutionary Guards bust heads and shoot protesters in living color.
You also need a shortwave station and some Internet servers.
Nothing traceable back to the US. Or you could even run a "false flag" operation and make it look like the Saudis were behind it.
(06-17-2009 03:48 PM)WMD Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (06-17-2009 05:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2009 09:14 PM)WMD Owl Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2009 09:09 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a fraud because we say so. Let's go over there and tell them who they can have as a President. It's time we stick our noses in their business. That's what we do best anyway. We know what's best for everyone, so we should just appoint our own government over there. The citizens of that country will love us and greet us a liberators.
We don't have to stage an armed intervention. Just set up a covert operation assisting the reformers and destabilizing the Mullahs.
You have to manufacture an atmosphere where the (unarmed) people in the streets stand a fighting chance against the Revolutionary Guards.
Over half the Iranian population is under 30. They hate the Mullahs. We help them take out the Mullahs and put in their own government.
Can't get any worse than what they have now.
Does anyone really think that we are not already doing this? The temptation is almost irresistible to policy makers. I'd find it amazing if we were sitting this one out.
I don't think we are doing anything-- yet. If we were up to something, it would leak. Besides the Covert Ops wing of the CIA doesn't trust Obama because he could hang them out to dry.
In fact, the time to act is yesterday. And it would be really really simple. Get a couple of million bucks, launder it through a Bank in the UAE, and buy off the shelf electronics in Saudi, Qutar, Bahrain, such as sat phones, streaming video transmitters that run through either cell phones or sat phones, xerox machines, and printers and smuggle them across the Gulf to Iran.
You could have live streaming video of every protest and watch the Revolutionary Guards bust heads and shoot protesters in living color.
You also need a shortwave station and some Internet servers.
Nothing traceable back to the US. Or you could even run a "false flag" operation and make it look like the Saudis were behind it.
One thing is for sure...The video camera and live streaming capabilities of smart phones are just as powerful as the gun. These technologies may become the best tools ever invented to fight tyranny. I want a hidden camera system for my vehicles that streams live and can not be erased. All I would need then is a sticker on the window..."All activities in and surrounding this vehicle are being recorded live to the internet" Do you think you would get cordial treatment from officers when they interacted with you after reading that?
(06-17-2009 06:08 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]One thing is for sure...The video camera and live streaming capabilities of smart phones are just as powerful as the gun.
That's well and fine until they shut off streaming capabilities. If they shut down text messages, it's also easy to shut down cell phone based streaming (unless it's wifi-assisted). I suspect most of the video you see has been downloaded to computers and sent via the internet. With the internet, there are myriad ways to bypass government restrictions, so it's either shut down all internet access nationwide, or risk information leaking.
(06-17-2009 07:17 AM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]I don't trust either of those madmen in Iranian's election. ...but I think the Norks pose a significantly greater threat. I'm starting to think the Gargoyle knows his time on Earth is near the end (age, health), and he's such a narcissistic prick that he wants to go down in as blaze of "glory" ......along with everyone else in his country.
To the extent that sports imitate life, North Korea clinched a world cup berth for the first time since the 1960s, while Iran was eliminated by virtue of a tie. But, it was very cool that the players sported green wrist bands in support of the protests.
(06-18-2009 11:44 AM)I45owl Wrote: [ -> ] (06-17-2009 07:17 AM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]I don't trust either of those madmen in Iranian's election. ...but I think the Norks pose a significantly greater threat. I'm starting to think the Gargoyle knows his time on Earth is near the end (age, health), and he's such a narcissistic prick that he wants to go down in as blaze of "glory" ......along with everyone else in his country.
To the extent that sports imitate life, North Korea clinched a world cup berth for the first time since the 1960s, while Iran was eliminated by virtue of a tie. But, it was very cool that the players sported green wrist bands in support of the protests.
How can you say such a thing? Everybody knows those Iraninas are terrorists and should be sent to GB to be tortured.
whats cool is that even in hell hole countries such as Iran, NoKo, Pakistan, etc, with a worldview that is completely opposed to Western Values....they play sports invented by the Western Mind, in this case 18th and 19th Century British
(06-18-2009 12:24 PM)GGniner Wrote: [ -> ]whats cool is that even in hell hole countries such as Iran, NoKo, Pakistan, etc, with a worldview that is completely opposed to Western Values....they play sports invented by the Western Mind, in this case 18th and 19th Century British
(06-18-2009 12:31 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2009 12:24 PM)GGniner Wrote: [ -> ]whats cool is that even in hell hole countries such as Iran, NoKo, Pakistan, etc, with a worldview that is completely opposed to Western Values....they play sports invented by the Western Mind, in this case 18th and 19th Century British
Except that soccer has roots that go back hundreds if not thousands of years across many cultures. Association football (from which the word soccer derives) was only codified by 18th century British, not invented by them. That said, I think you'd find the more popular national sport of Iran is wrestling.
And, Robert, the entire reason that Iranians are in the streets now are that they are ruled by terrorists. My friends are more optimistic than I am for an outcome where they won't be.
modern soccer gets its rules from the Western Mind...in Britain.
Same thing with Tennis, took an ancient game and found the way to get the most 'thrill' out of it. The regulatory mind of the west, for better or worse.
pretty much all the major sports were organized in 19th century Britain or America. The whole idea of having competion among leagues of teams came about here too.
(06-18-2009 12:24 PM)GGniner Wrote: [ -> ]whats cool is that even in hell hole countries such as Iran, NoKo, Pakistan, etc, with a worldview that is completely opposed to Western Values....they play sports invented by the Western Mind, in this case 18th and 19th Century British
What isn't cool is that you are so ignorant of the world that it embarasses me as well as the world.
(06-18-2009 01:00 PM)GGniner Wrote: [ -> ]modern soccer gets its rules from the Western Mind...in Britain.
Same thing with Tennis, took an ancient game and found the way to get the most 'thrill' out of it. The regulatory mind of the west, for better or worse.
pretty much all the major sports were organized in 19th century Britain or America. The whole idea of having competion among leagues of teams came about here too.
Based on this description, in the future they will be able to say the automobile was invented in Japan. Doesn't matter where it was invented the Japanese builds them better. I think this is generally the same as what you typed above.