If Iowa comes to Soldier Field, do you not think the contract will be written to give Iowa so much from each tix Iowa sells?
Doesn't Iowa have tons of alums in the Chicago area who would come to that game in a heart beat?
In other words, Iowa isn't going to accept say 500K guarantee and let NIU make say 1M+ on the game.
I assume this kind of game would gross anywhere from 1.5 to 2M (say 30 -40K seats sold at 40 - 50 bucks each).
guess what I'm saying is that the revenue would probably be shared closer to 50/50.
EMU paid Ford Field about 70K for their game last November against Western and got to keep the gate receipts for tixs EMU SOLD through the EMU ticket office.
I could see both teams spliting the expenses and keeping the gate receipts for the tickets each school sells.
onlinepole Wrote:I understand and appreciate that but you also have to remember that Fresno has not won their conference in forever(ever?) with those thoughts too. I would rather see us win the conference and have a schedule similar to this years. 2 hard OOC and 2 easy(I wold be ok with 4 average teams).
Fresno however has been to bowl games several years in a row and they starter getting bowl invites the year they beat WI, Oregon and one other BCS team. Since that year I don't believe they've sat at home even one year.[/quote]
The Toledo crowd either doesn't want to play the real big dogs or they can't get an agreement in place to do so. IMO, I think Toledo likes to play high caliber teams but are afraid to play the top 10 because they don't want to suffer the injuries and get their helmets handed back to them. If you check out their message board threads, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I agree with Lakelanddad. Let's bring on the big dogs and set the bar higher. We may lose the game yet we'll gain valuable experience and exposure from the play. It'll showcase NIU as a team that's stepping up to higher challenges. If Novak plays smart then he can keep the injuries to a minimum and a well stocked bench as injuries will occur.
onlinepole Wrote:niubrad00 Wrote:I wonder if they will come here and then we will play there twice, just like Maryland.
I thought Maryland was just a home and home? They played here in 03, we played there in 04. Wasn't that it?
MD was a 1 4 1 deal
I have tried to find it but couldn't. I am pretty sure I had read somewhere that it was a 2 for 1. It really doesn't make sense for us to do a 1 for 0 followed by a 1 for 1. Especially the 1 for 0 when the Turtles were not exactly a power house(actually, they were pretty bad around the time we played them-there were a few years where they were average). We are all-time 1-2 against them. It just seems strange that if you play them 3 times that it isn't a 2 for 1.
HuskieFever1 Wrote:onlinepole Wrote:I understand and appreciate that but you also have to remember that Fresno has not won their conference in forever(ever?) with those thoughts too. I would rather see us win the conference and have a schedule similar to this years. 2 hard OOC and 2 easy(I wold be ok with 4 average teams).
Fresno however has been to bowl games several years in a row and they starter getting bowl invites the year they beat WI, Oregon and one other BCS team. Since that year I don't believe they've sat at home even one year.
The Toledo crowd either doesn't want to play the real big dogs or they can't get an agreement in place to do so. IMO, I think Toledo likes to play high caliber teams but are afraid to play the top 10 because they don't want to suffer the injuries and get their helmets handed back to them. If you check out their message board threads, you'll see what I'm talking about.[/quote]
You are very mistaken. The difference here is that Toledo can bring schools like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Purdue, and Iowa State into the glass bowl. So why not schedule 1 for 1's and 2 for 1's with those schools instead of a bunch of 1 game road paydays? Yes, we will take the 1 game road payday if the money is right. But when a school like Ohio State tries to lowball us and tell everyone we are going to play with that low pay, and then offer BG more money to come in and not accept our similar asking price.......there is no reason to accept that deal. I'd rather play a home and home with Iowa State or a 2 for 1 with Purdue so that we can pack our actual home stadium against them.
We've been trying to get Michigan State to play a 2 for 1, even a 3 for 1 with us for years. We've tried it with NC State as well. They won't play us at Toledo. So fine, we'll play Purdue instead, who is probably better than them anyway.
rocketfootball Wrote:HuskieFever1 Wrote:onlinepole Wrote:I understand and appreciate that but you also have to remember that Fresno has not won their conference in forever(ever?) with those thoughts too. I would rather see us win the conference and have a schedule similar to this years. 2 hard OOC and 2 easy(I wold be ok with 4 average teams).
Fresno however has been to bowl games several years in a row and they starter getting bowl invites the year they beat WI, Oregon and one other BCS team. Since that year I don't believe they've sat at home even one year.
The Toledo crowd either doesn't want to play the real big dogs or they can't get an agreement in place to do so. IMO, I think Toledo likes to play high caliber teams but are afraid to play the top 10 because they don't want to suffer the injuries and get their helmets handed back to them. If you check out their message board threads, you'll see what I'm talking about.
You are very mistaken. The difference here is that Toledo can bring schools like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Purdue, and Iowa State into the glass bowl. So why not schedule 1 for 1's and 2 for 1's with those schools instead of a bunch of 1 game road paydays? Yes, we will take the 1 game road payday if the money is right. But when a school like Ohio State tries to lowball us and tell everyone we are going to play with that low pay, and then offer BG more money to come in and not accept our similar asking price.......there is no reason to accept that deal. I'd rather play a home and home with Iowa State or a 2 for 1 with Purdue so that we can pack our actual home stadium against them.
We've been trying to get Michigan State to play a 2 for 1, even a 3 for 1 with us for years. We've tried it with NC State as well. They won't play us at Toledo. So fine, we'll play Purdue instead, who is probably better than them anyway.[/quote]
I agree with you that the MAC teams should try to negotiate with their OOC competitors to play a 1 for 1 or 2 for 1 at both stadiums. It seems fair to me. There seems to be this whole 'use the MAC teams as early showcase fodder' notion persisting out there. Now that some MAC teams are deemed worthy opponents and have went on to defeat their OOC rivals it just makes it tougher for the MAC teams to negotiate that 'at home' advantage.
What I like is that JoeN is taking the game to them and has the confidence to try and defeat them on their own turf and gain the recognition for it. The teams that have traveled to DeKalb (Wake Forest, Iowa State, Maryland, etc.) have all been defeated so it certainly proves the point that there is a hesistancy to meet the Huskies on their home turf. And the Huskies have done their fair share of damage on the road and even had a couple of losses that were within a few points and scared the home team into belief. I even remember Coach Stutz's comment when he left Dekalb in 2002 with the win, 'Man, it was really noisy in that stadium.....'.
There'll come the day that the MAC will have a better hand in negotiating for home turf advantage. In the meantime, we have to get out there and keep winning against these teams.
rocketfootball Wrote:seeds99 Wrote:The only way I see this happening is if @NIU actually means @Soldier Field.
Exactly what I was thinking. We have been trying to get Penn State to do a 2 for 1 with us for a long time and they keep saying our stadium is too small. Well, it's either that or they are scared because of the beatdown we put on them in Happy Valley.
it's definitely the latter...
HuskieFever1 Wrote:onlinepole Wrote:I understand and appreciate that but you also have to remember that Fresno has not won their conference in forever(ever?) with those thoughts too. I would rather see us win the conference and have a schedule similar to this years. 2 hard OOC and 2 easy(I wold be ok with 4 average teams).
Fresno however has been to bowl games several years in a row and they starter getting bowl invites the year they beat WI, Oregon and one other BCS team. Since that year I don't believe they've sat at home even one year.
The Toledo crowd either doesn't want to play the real big dogs or they can't get an agreement in place to do so. IMO, I think Toledo likes to play high caliber teams but are afraid to play the top 10 because they don't want to suffer the injuries and get their helmets handed back to them. If you check out their message board threads, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I agree with Lakelanddad. Let's bring on the big dogs and set the bar higher. We may lose the game yet we'll gain valuable experience and exposure from the play. It'll showcase NIU as a team that's stepping up to higher challenges. If Novak plays smart then he can keep the injuries to a minimum and a well stocked bench as injuries will occur.[/quote]
in addition to what RF said, Pitt was in the top ten when we played and beat them at home. Also Purdue is also usually a good team that has potential to win the B-10. Hard to judge who will be in the top ten years in advance when the deals are setup, but I think we schedule fairly strong.
How much is WI getting from their game with BG at Cleveland Stadium?
This question indicates to me how much a Big Ten school who can draw 75 - 100K AT HOME is willing to do as a bottom line for an away or neutral site game vs. a MAC team.
IF WI is playing at Cleveland Stadium with some type of 'profit sharing' arrangement, then how can UT do that at the Glass Bowl?
For example, might both BG and WI keep the revenues from the tixs they sell? Say 20K WI fans buy tixs and WI keeps those funds. That could easily be say 750K - 1M.
How can UT give PSU the chance to bring home say 750K+ by playing at the Glass Bowl????
Impossible.
emu steve Wrote:How much is WI getting from their game with BG at Cleveland Stadium?
This question indicates to me how much a Big Ten school who can draw 75 - 100K AT HOME is willing to do as a bottom line for an away or neutral site game vs. a MAC team.
IF WI is playing at Cleveland Stadium with some type of 'profit sharing' arrangement, then how can UT do that at the Glass Bowl?
For example, might both BG and WI keep the revenues from the tixs they sell? Say 20K WI fans buy tixs and WI keeps those funds. That could easily be say 750K - 1M.
How can UT give PSU the chance to bring home say 750K+ by playing at the Glass Bowl????
Impossible.
Exactly! The MAC schools just don't have the seating capacity to accommodate the OOC schools that have the capacity. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisco, etc. all have bigger stadiums and bigger paydays along with them. Most of MAC schools can't even fill their stadiums to half capacity on a given Saturday so why would a powerhouse school want to play at that stadium? Most of the MAC schools have stadiums that resemble a little more than a high school stadium.
The happy medium is structuring the deal, as what is currently going on, to play the MAC home game at a pro stadium. NIU has no problem hosting teams at Soldier Field as they only have to coordinate with Northwestern for scheduling purposes. The stadium has the seating capacity and technology to deliver a quality Saturday afternoon product. Several Big Ten and NIU alum live in the Chicago area so it would be a no-brainer to fill up that stadium on every game.
The problem that the Ohio MAC teams face is that they are competing for any real stadium resources just to pull in the payday dollars for the big boys.
HuskieFever1 Wrote:emu steve Wrote:How much is WI getting from their game with BG at Cleveland Stadium?
This question indicates to me how much a Big Ten school who can draw 75 - 100K AT HOME is willing to do as a bottom line for an away or neutral site game vs. a MAC team.
IF WI is playing at Cleveland Stadium with some type of 'profit sharing' arrangement, then how can UT do that at the Glass Bowl?
For example, might both BG and WI keep the revenues from the tixs they sell? Say 20K WI fans buy tixs and WI keeps those funds. That could easily be say 750K - 1M.
How can UT give PSU the chance to bring home say 750K+ by playing at the Glass Bowl????
Impossible.
Exactly! The MAC schools just don't have the seating capacity to accommodate the OOC schools that have the capacity. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisco, etc. all have bigger stadiums and bigger paydays along with them. Most of MAC schools can't even fill their stadiums to half capacity on a given Saturday so why would a powerhouse school want to play at that stadium? Most of the MAC schools have stadiums that resemble a little more than a high school stadium.
The happy medium is structuring the deal, as what is currently going on, to play the MAC home game at a pro stadium. NIU has no problem hosting teams at Soldier Field as they only have to coordinate with Northwestern for scheduling purposes. The stadium has the seating capacity and technology to deliver a quality Saturday afternoon product. Several Big Ten and NIU alum live in the Chicago area so it would be a no-brainer to fill up that stadium on every game.
The problem that the Ohio MAC teams face is that they are competing for any real stadium resources just to pull in the payday dollars for the big boys.
or we just don't want to whore ourselves out for those payday dollars.
Shrakkrocket Wrote:HuskieFever1 Wrote:emu steve Wrote:How much is WI getting from their game with BG at Cleveland Stadium?
This question indicates to me how much a Big Ten school who can draw 75 - 100K AT HOME is willing to do as a bottom line for an away or neutral site game vs. a MAC team.
IF WI is playing at Cleveland Stadium with some type of 'profit sharing' arrangement, then how can UT do that at the Glass Bowl?
For example, might both BG and WI keep the revenues from the tixs they sell? Say 20K WI fans buy tixs and WI keeps those funds. That could easily be say 750K - 1M.
How can UT give PSU the chance to bring home say 750K+ by playing at the Glass Bowl????
Impossible.
Exactly! The MAC schools just don't have the seating capacity to accommodate the OOC schools that have the capacity. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisco, etc. all have bigger stadiums and bigger paydays along with them. Most of MAC schools can't even fill their stadiums to half capacity on a given Saturday so why would a powerhouse school want to play at that stadium? Most of the MAC schools have stadiums that resemble a little more than a high school stadium.
The happy medium is structuring the deal, as what is currently going on, to play the MAC home game at a pro stadium. NIU has no problem hosting teams at Soldier Field as they only have to coordinate with Northwestern for scheduling purposes. The stadium has the seating capacity and technology to deliver a quality Saturday afternoon product. Several Big Ten and NIU alum live in the Chicago area so it would be a no-brainer to fill up that stadium on every game.
The problem that the Ohio MAC teams face is that they are competing for any real stadium resources just to pull in the payday dollars for the big boys.
or we just don't want to whore ourselves out for those payday dollars.
Actually UT will whore itself out for those payday dollars except that no OOC school is willing to shell out UT's asking price ;-)
HuskieFever1 Wrote:Shrakkrocket Wrote:HuskieFever1 Wrote:emu steve Wrote:How much is WI getting from their game with BG at Cleveland Stadium?
This question indicates to me how much a Big Ten school who can draw 75 - 100K AT HOME is willing to do as a bottom line for an away or neutral site game vs. a MAC team.
IF WI is playing at Cleveland Stadium with some type of 'profit sharing' arrangement, then how can UT do that at the Glass Bowl?
For example, might both BG and WI keep the revenues from the tixs they sell? Say 20K WI fans buy tixs and WI keeps those funds. That could easily be say 750K - 1M.
How can UT give PSU the chance to bring home say 750K+ by playing at the Glass Bowl????
Impossible.
Exactly! The MAC schools just don't have the seating capacity to accommodate the OOC schools that have the capacity. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisco, etc. all have bigger stadiums and bigger paydays along with them. Most of MAC schools can't even fill their stadiums to half capacity on a given Saturday so why would a powerhouse school want to play at that stadium? Most of the MAC schools have stadiums that resemble a little more than a high school stadium.
The happy medium is structuring the deal, as what is currently going on, to play the MAC home game at a pro stadium. NIU has no problem hosting teams at Soldier Field as they only have to coordinate with Northwestern for scheduling purposes. The stadium has the seating capacity and technology to deliver a quality Saturday afternoon product. Several Big Ten and NIU alum live in the Chicago area so it would be a no-brainer to fill up that stadium on every game.
The problem that the Ohio MAC teams face is that they are competing for any real stadium resources just to pull in the payday dollars for the big boys.
or we just don't want to whore ourselves out for those payday dollars.
Actually UT will whore itself out for those payday dollars except that no OOC school is willing to shell out UT's asking price ;-)
so you're saying that you're cheap whores?
HuskieFever1 Wrote:Shrakkrocket Wrote:HuskieFever1 Wrote:emu steve Wrote:How much is WI getting from their game with BG at Cleveland Stadium?
This question indicates to me how much a Big Ten school who can draw 75 - 100K AT HOME is willing to do as a bottom line for an away or neutral site game vs. a MAC team.
IF WI is playing at Cleveland Stadium with some type of 'profit sharing' arrangement, then how can UT do that at the Glass Bowl?
For example, might both BG and WI keep the revenues from the tixs they sell? Say 20K WI fans buy tixs and WI keeps those funds. That could easily be say 750K - 1M.
How can UT give PSU the chance to bring home say 750K+ by playing at the Glass Bowl????
Impossible.
Exactly! The MAC schools just don't have the seating capacity to accommodate the OOC schools that have the capacity. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisco, etc. all have bigger stadiums and bigger paydays along with them. Most of MAC schools can't even fill their stadiums to half capacity on a given Saturday so why would a powerhouse school want to play at that stadium? Most of the MAC schools have stadiums that resemble a little more than a high school stadium.
The happy medium is structuring the deal, as what is currently going on, to play the MAC home game at a pro stadium. NIU has no problem hosting teams at Soldier Field as they only have to coordinate with Northwestern for scheduling purposes. The stadium has the seating capacity and technology to deliver a quality Saturday afternoon product. Several Big Ten and NIU alum live in the Chicago area so it would be a no-brainer to fill up that stadium on every game.
The problem that the Ohio MAC teams face is that they are competing for any real stadium resources just to pull in the payday dollars for the big boys.
or we just don't want to whore ourselves out for those payday dollars.
Actually UT will whore itself out for those payday dollars except that no OOC school is willing to shell out UT's asking price ;-)
ACTUALLY UT wants 1-1 deals but tOSU or UM won't do that. ;-)
I wonder how EMU and Navy will structure the game at Ford Field this Nov. 11?
The two PREVIOUS FORD FIELD games were EMU CONFERENCE games so EMU simply worked with Ford Field.
I wonder if Navy might have a gig where they'll sell tixs to their fans and want to keep some money for the effort.
It should be interesting how many Navy fans attend.
Can Navy draw in San Diego, Houston, Detroit, etc (I believe they've done well in SD and Houston for bowl games, but Detroit against a MAC team????).
Shrakkrocket Wrote:HuskieFever1 Wrote:Shrakkrocket Wrote:HuskieFever1 Wrote:emu steve Wrote:How much is WI getting from their game with BG at Cleveland Stadium?
This question indicates to me how much a Big Ten school who can draw 75 - 100K AT HOME is willing to do as a bottom line for an away or neutral site game vs. a MAC team.
IF WI is playing at Cleveland Stadium with some type of 'profit sharing' arrangement, then how can UT do that at the Glass Bowl?
For example, might both BG and WI keep the revenues from the tixs they sell? Say 20K WI fans buy tixs and WI keeps those funds. That could easily be say 750K - 1M.
How can UT give PSU the chance to bring home say 750K+ by playing at the Glass Bowl????
Impossible.
Exactly! The MAC schools just don't have the seating capacity to accommodate the OOC schools that have the capacity. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisco, etc. all have bigger stadiums and bigger paydays along with them. Most of MAC schools can't even fill their stadiums to half capacity on a given Saturday so why would a powerhouse school want to play at that stadium? Most of the MAC schools have stadiums that resemble a little more than a high school stadium.
The happy medium is structuring the deal, as what is currently going on, to play the MAC home game at a pro stadium. NIU has no problem hosting teams at Soldier Field as they only have to coordinate with Northwestern for scheduling purposes. The stadium has the seating capacity and technology to deliver a quality Saturday afternoon product. Several Big Ten and NIU alum live in the Chicago area so it would be a no-brainer to fill up that stadium on every game.
The problem that the Ohio MAC teams face is that they are competing for any real stadium resources just to pull in the payday dollars for the big boys.
or we just don't want to whore ourselves out for those payday dollars.
Actually UT will whore itself out for those payday dollars except that no OOC school is willing to shell out UT's asking price ;-)
so you're saying that you're cheap whores?
Naw, we're just a better team than UT and we're willing to go the extra mile for the recognition. UT couldn't strike a deal with OSU....I think was even offered much less the payout than BG was.
HuskieFever1 Wrote:Naw, we're just a better team than UT and we're willing to go the extra mile for the recognition. UT couldn't strike a deal with OSU....I think was even offered much less the payout than BG was.
You're ignorant posts are getting annoying. OSU offered Toledo about $150,000 less than BG got from them and about $250,000 less than San Diego State got last year. UT came back and said we wanted the same amount San Diego State was getting. OSU didn't want to do that so there is no game as of right now. Their loss, not UT's.
Stop bashing UT over this. Your own schools has to play games at Soldier Field if they want to play home games against decent BCS schools while UT gets them in the Glass Bowl. There is no way in hell you should be bashing Toledo.
rocketfootball Wrote:Stop bashing UT over this. Your own schools has to play games at Soldier Field if they want to play home games against decent BCS schools while UT gets them in the Glass Bowl. There is no way in hell you should be bashing Toledo.
I hate to agree with a Rocket fan, but he's got a point here. We can't get anyone to come to DeKalb and they won't start coming any time in the near future.
rocketfootball Wrote:HuskieFever1 Wrote:Naw, we're just a better team than UT and we're willing to go the extra mile for the recognition. UT couldn't strike a deal with OSU....I think was even offered much less the payout than BG was.
You're ignorant posts are getting annoying. OSU offered Toledo about $150,000 less than BG got from them and about $250,000 less than San Diego State got last year. UT came back and said we wanted the same amount San Diego State was getting. OSU didn't want to do that so there is no game as of right now. Their loss, not UT's.
Stop bashing UT over this. Your own schools has to play games at Soldier Field if they want to play home games against decent BCS schools while UT gets them in the Glass Bowl. There is no way in hell you should be bashing Toledo.
You are the ones coming onto the NIU board and insulting us by calling us cheap whores for playing OSU at their stadium. Perhaps if you Toledoans come here and show some respect then you'll get some in return. And, you confirmed what I had stated...that UT refused to play OSU because the paydirt was less than what SDSU, and BGSU received. However, they would've gone on the road if there was an agreement on the price.
Now, let's analyze your other statement about BCS schools going to DeKalb to play the Huskies. Are you saying that Iowa State, Wake Forest and Maryland are crappy BCS schools????
HuskieFever1 Wrote:Now, let's analyze your other statement about BCS schools going to DeKalb to play the Huskies. Are you saying that Iowa State, Wake Forest and Maryland are crappy BCS schools????
Sorry to tell you this, but yes, they are. :sorry: